Skip to main content
  • TotalFilm
  • Edge
  • Newsarama
  • Retrogamer
GamesRadar+ GamesRadar+
US EditionUS CA EditionCanada UK EditionUK AU EditionAustralia
Sign in
  • View Profile
  • Sign out
  • News
  • Reviews
  • Features
  • More
    • PS5
    • Xbox Series X
    • Nintendo Switch
    • Nintendo Switch 2
    • PC
    • Platforms
    • Tabletop Gaming
    • Comics
    • Toys & Collectibles
    • Newsarama
    • Retro Gamer
    • Newsletters
    • About us
    • Features
Trending
  • Best Netflix Movies
  • Movie Release Dates
  • Best movies on Disney Plus
  • Best Netflix Shows
Don't miss these
Rey in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
Star Wars Movies Every new Star Wars movie and TV show currently in the works
Star Wars: Eclipse screenshots
Action Games Upcoming Star Wars games: Every new Star Wars game announced so far
Hayden Christensen in Revenge of  the Sith
Star Wars Movies Star Wars fans are debating an iconic Revenge of the Sith scene that's now one of the saga's biggest 'what if' moments
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor new screenshots featuring Cal Kestis and BD-1
Action Games The 10 best Star Wars games to play in 2026
Yoda in Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith
Star Wars TV Shows Yoda would have covered up Jedi deaths in The Acolyte, and its showrunner has the Clone Wars receipts to prove it
Dave Filoni
Star Wars Movies Kathleen Kennedy says Dave Filoni taking over as Lucasfilm co-president has "been a 10-year mentoring process"
Pedro Pascal as Din Djarin unmasked in The Mandalorian and Grogu
Star Wars Movies Lucasfilm boss Dave Filoni says The Mandalorian and Grogu is "a big celebration" of the Star Wars duo
The Mandalorian and Boba Fett
Star Wars Movies Boba Fett star all but confirms his Star Wars bounty hunter won't show up in The Mandalorian and Grogu
How to watch the Star Wars movies in order
Star Wars Movies How to watch the Star Wars movies in order (release and chronological)
Star Wars timeline: a screenshot of The Empire Strikes Back.
Star Wars Movies Star Wars timeline: Every major event in chronological order
Star Wars: Eclipse screenshot shows two lightsabers with an advancing army in the background
RPGs Star Wars Eclipse: Everything you need to know about Quantic Dream's new action adventure
Star Wars: Fate of the Old Republic
RPGs Star Wars: Fate of the Old Republic – Everything we know so far about the new Star Wars RPG
Din Djarin and Grogu in The Mandalorian & Grogu
Sci-Fi Movies The Mandalorian and Grogu: everything we know so far about the next Star Wars movie
Kylo Ren in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
Star Wars Movies Steven Soderbergh says he is "very disappointed" by the decision to cancel The Hunt for Ben Solo
Star Wars Galactic Racer big preview
Racing Games Star Wars: Galactic Racer makes more sense for the Star Wars universe than Palpatine somehow returning ever did
  1. Entertainment
  2. Movies

New Star Wars book reveals that George Lucas wanted Luke Skywalker to die in Episode 8

News
By Jack Shepherd published 15 October 2020

A new Star Wars book gives us a closer look at George Lucas' original vision for the sequel trilogy

When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. Here’s how it works.

(Image credit: Disney/Lucasfilm)
  • Facebook
  • X
  • Pinterest
  • Flipboard
  • Email
Share this article
Join the conversation
Follow us
Add us as a preferred source on Google
Get the GamesRadar+ Newsletter

Bringing all the latest movie news, features, and reviews to your inbox


By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.

You are now subscribed

Your newsletter sign-up was successful


An account already exists for this email address, please log in.
Subscribe to our newsletter

One of the great cinematic mysteries of our time concerns George Lucas' original treatment for the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Where did the creator of that galaxy far, far away intend for these characters to go? Thanks to a new book, now we know.

Star Wars Fascinating Facts lives up to its name. Pages from the book, posted on Twitter, reveal that Lucas was going to kill Luke Skywalker in Episode 8, similar to what happened in Rian Johnson's Star Wars: The Last Jedi. The book also notes that a female Jedi Knight who is trained by Luke was always going to be the central character and that Luke was going to be a Colonel Kurtz-type character – Kurtz being the elusive maniac in Apocalypse Now.

"Years before The Last Jedi began development, the treatment left behind by George Lucas in 2012 also had Episode VIII be the one wherein Luke Skywalker would die," reads one page. Another, titled Colonel Kurtzwalker, states: "Although Luke Skywalker only barely appears in The Force Awakens, the concept artists had a lot to imagine based on the fragments of the story they were hearing as it developed.

You may like
  • After 4 years of no Luke Skywalker, Star Wars fans are plotting ways in which he can return to the franchise
  • Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker, Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia, and Harrison Ford as Han Solo Mark Hamill asked for a Luke, Han, and Leia reunion in the Star Wars sequels, but was told "it's not Luke's story"
  • John Boyega as Finn wielding Luke Skywalker's lightsaber in Star Wars: The Force Awakens Star Wars fans are debating Disney's "abandoned" saga decisions

"Rey was on a mission to seek out Luke Skywalker, who had disappeared. As described by George Lucas, Rey is like Willard going up river seeking out Colonel Kurtz, an allusion to Apocalypse Now. The story had Rey find Luke on a Jedi temple planet, but he is a recluse, withdrawn into a very dark space and needs to be drawn back from despair."

The new book "Star Wars Fascinating Facts" delivers on that title with this one: in George Lucas' 2012 treatment for the sequel trilogy, Luke died in Episode VIII. #StarWars pic.twitter.com/jcwhyGi967October 13, 2020

The book also reveals that Rey's name was not always Rey. Previous reports already indicated that the leading female character was, at one stage, going to be called Kira. However, a new excerpt reveals that, in the original outline, the lead character was a 14-year-old girl named Taryn. That name later changed to Thea, and then Winkie (no comment). When Star Wars: The Force Awakens director J.J. Abrams came on board, the name changed to Sally (a placeholder), then Kira, then Echo, and finally Rey. 

Abrams also used some other interesting placeholder names for other characters: Kylo Ren was Jedi Killer, Finn was Harry, and Poe was John Doe. You can also see an image of Lucas' vision for Thea on the page.

And things get crazier: in George's original outline, Rey was a 14 year old girl named Taryn. In later iterations, he changed her name briefly to Thea and also to, I swear, Winkie. J.J. gave her the codename Sally, then she was Kira, Echo, and finally Rey. pic.twitter.com/1Mc1uUebxwOctober 13, 2020

This isn't the first we've heard of Lucas' sequel trilogy. We already had some idea of the story of Kira going to visit Luke Skywalker, living as a hermit on a distant planet. These elements, of course, came to be in Disney's movies. What didn't make the big screen was Lucas' hopes of exploring more of the midi-chlorians, the microscopic life forms described as living everywhere and within everyone during the prequel movie Phantom Menace. 

Sign up for the Total Film Newsletter

Bringing all the latest movie news, features, and reviews to your inbox

By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.

“Everyone hated it in Phantom Menace [when] we started to talk about midi-chlorians,” Lucas told fellow director James Cameron in his book James Cameron’s Story of Science Fiction. “There’s a whole aspect to that movie that is about symbiotic relationships. To make you look and see that we aren’t the boss. That there’s an ecosystem.”

Lucas added: “[The next three Star Wars films] were going to get into a microbiotic world. But there’s this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force.”

The Whills were, as established by Lucas in the earliest drafts of Star Wars, an order of immortal beings who controlled everything through the Force. “Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we were just cars, vehicles for the Whills to travel around,” Lucas continued. “We’re vessels for them. And the conduct is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force.”

Reports have also previously indicated that Lucas was disappointed by the direction Disney took the movies, with former CEO Bob Iger noting in his memoir that Lucas was "upset" as Abrams and Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy described the plot of their sequels during a meeting at Skywalker Ranch. 

We will likely never know Lucas' full plan for the sequel trilogy, but everything we hear sets our imaginations wild with what could have been. 

Jack Shepherd
Jack Shepherd
Social Links Navigation
Freelance Journalist

Jack Shepherd is the former Senior Entertainment Editor of GamesRadar. Jack used to work at The Independent as a general culture writer before specializing in TV and film for the likes of GR+, Total Film, SFX, and others. You can now find Jack working as a freelance journalist and editor.

Read more
After 4 years of no Luke Skywalker, Star Wars fans are plotting ways in which he can return to the franchise
 
 
Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker, Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia, and Harrison Ford as Han Solo
Mark Hamill asked for a Luke, Han, and Leia reunion in the Star Wars sequels, but was told "it's not Luke's story"
 
 
John Boyega as Finn wielding Luke Skywalker's lightsaber in Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Star Wars fans are debating Disney's "abandoned" saga decisions
 
 
Qimir and Osha in The Acolyte
New Acolyte Star Wars book reveals more information about the Stranger's link to Kylo Ren
 
 
Rey in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
Every new Star Wars movie and TV show currently in the works
 
 
Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker, Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia, and Harrison Ford as Han Solo
New Lucasfilm bosses are "very much onboard" with a new Star Wars trilogy taking us into 2030
 
 
Latest in Movies
Five Nights at Freddy's 2
After the first two movies were written by Scott Cawthon, Five Nights at Freddy's 3 reportedly has new screenwriters
 
 
Mortal Kombat movie
Mortal Kombat 2 star joins in with Street Fighter movie beef after Game Awards dig because he "loves a good rivalry"
 
 
Fujino and Kyomoto eating in Look Back
Live-action adaptation of Chainsaw Man creator's Look Back will escape Japanese cinemas and come to the west
 
 
Aang, Sokka and Katara standing on a stone wall during the series Avatar: The Last Airbender
Aang director confirms the next Avatar movie has wrapped, but seems to be still fighting for a theatrical release
 
 
Princess Rosalina in The Super Mario Galaxy Movie trailer
Certified Nintendo fangirl and Rosalina actor Brie Larson says Super Mario Galaxy is one of her favorite games
 
 
The Super Mario Galaxy Movie
A Nintendo Nostradamus somehow predicted Donald Glover's Yoshi casting in The Super Mario Galaxy Movie over a year ago
 
 
Latest in News
Runescape
MMO raises subscription prices less than 2 months after ditching microtransactions, causing a RuneScape fan revolt
 
 
One Piece
One Piece season 2 is a live-action adaptation to treasure as it debuts to perfect Rotten Tomatoes score
 
 
Fallout 1 power armor helmet
D&D's most annoying rule helped Fallout co-creator get big break at legendary RPG studio
 
 
A screenshot of Yoko Taro in the "Message from NieR: Automata director Yoko Taro" Square Enix video announcing Nier: Automata's Steam release.
Nier: Automata creator Yoko Taro sees it "as a form of respect" when devs "say outright that they copied" his action RPG
 
 
Marathon destroyer runner shell using shield to block explosive
Overwatch lead says using Steam player counts to dunk on Marathon is "big unemployed, maidenless behavior"
 
 
Death Stranding Norman Reedus and baby
RPG legend advises new devs to be like Hideo Kojima and create their own style – or just "have a rich daddy"
 
 
LATEST ARTICLES
  1. One Piece
    1
    One Piece season 2 is a live-action adaptation to treasure as it debuts to perfect Rotten Tomatoes score
  2. 2
    Overwatch lead says using Steam player counts to dunk on multi-platform releases like Marathon is "big unemployed, maidenless behavior"
  3. 3
    Nier: Automata creator Yoko Taro sees it "as a form of respect" when devs "say outright that they copied" his action RPG, but he's not sure "how Square Enix would feel about that"
  4. 4
    D&D's most annoying rule helped Fallout co-creator Tim Cain get his big break at legendary RPG studio Interplay after he flexed on the job interview
  5. 5
    Resident Evil Requiem director acknowledges the Leon thirst and marriage debate all in one as he jokingly lets slip a mock-up of the hot unc starring in The Bachelor: "Whoops..."

GamesRadar+ is part of Future US Inc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. Visit our corporate site.

Add as a preferred source on Google Add as a preferred source on Google
  • Terms and conditions
  • Contact Future's experts
  • Privacy policy
  • Cookies policy
  • Accessibility statement
  • Careers
  • About us
  • Advertise with us
  • Review guidelines
  • Write for us
  • Accessibility Statement

© Future US, Inc. Full 7th Floor, 130 West 42nd Street, New York, NY 10036.

Please login or signup to comment

Please wait...