RadioRadar Spoilercast: BioShock Infinite

If you haven't beaten BioShock Infinite yet, this isn't for you. Turn around. Walk away from the lighthouse. Go do something else. And then, when you've beaten the game, come back and listen to us dissect the ending, because this thing is full of SPOILERS!

Hosts: Hollander Cooper, Lucas Sullivan, Sophia Tong, Henry Gilbert
Intro song by Danny Baranowsky


  • somerandomchap - April 7, 2013 11:58 p.m.

    The reason that elizabeth wasnt in the world where the vox take over is because when you go through a tear the equivalent and memories of whoever goes through combines with the person going through. And the reason booker doesnt combine with comstock is because comstock is screwed via the machine. At least that's waht i read and makes most sense. That's why the dead people who are brought through the tear are freaking out as the dead bodies merged with the alive ones and shared memories.
  • BladedFalcon - April 8, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    Except they clearly state in the voxophones of that world, that Elizabeth had been moved away from monument island and into Comstock house before Dewitt had a chance to get to her. So she clearly did exist, she was just isolated from the rest of what was going on.
  • somerandomchap - April 7, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    Also, at the beginning of bioshock you start off in a plane and go underwater. In Infinite you start in a boat and go to the skies.
  • TCMU287 - April 5, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    Can we all just take a moment and acknowledge how awesome Commander Sheperd was in this game?
  • BladedFalcon - April 6, 2013 9:26 a.m.

  • TCMU287 - April 6, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    Rosalind Lutece is played by Jennifer Hale.
  • BladedFalcon - April 6, 2013 2:56 p.m.

    Ooooh! wow, really? I didn't recognize her voice! Which, i suppose it stands as a testament of how good she is, by making her voice sound different enough to suit the part.
  • TCMU287 - April 6, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    I didn't realize it either until an article on Kotaku pointed it out. She's also apparently been in most Metal Gear Solid games, and two characters in Eternal Darkness!
  • StrayGator - April 5, 2013 4:43 p.m.

    Everybody analyze the sci-fi plot, but barely discuss the human story. Was booker basically trying to undo his past deeds? did he only look for his daughter's forgiveness - or maybe his own? Here's a thought experiment: let's pull a "It was all in his head" and say that BI takes place in a "normal" world, telling us about a man so frustrated with his reality that he finds solace in alcohol and fantastical What Ifs Elizabeth (young, innocent, powerful) represents the hope for a better tomorrow for all factions: -for comstock as a heir to exact justice upon the sodom below. -for cynical booker (beginning of the game) as means to an end (wipe away the debt) -for reformed endgame booker as an innocent girl that shouldn't suffer for other peoples interests "The Debt" is also his guilt. -maybe for selling his baby daughter. "Bring the Girl" - for himself (egotism) -or maybe for his war crimes, so he wants to save elizabeth (his successor / the future) from the influence of hateful men (altruism) Comstock is almost hate personified, but it's clear that it comes from his need to cover up his troubled past. he aims to "purify" the (in his eyes) sinful world through mass murder, denying them a shot at redemption. that stands at odds with his own fast and clean redemption by baptism, by itself an alternative method to "wipe away the debt". also, he burned hundreds of natives' houses only to clear the suspicion that he "has a teepee or two in his bloodline" (it's mentioned in one vox that booker speaks Sioux) Booker/Comstock is not a good person, or at least fails to be one. -as a miserable man, he sells his daughter to cover a monetary debt. -as a powerful figure, he declares war on humanity to cover his troubled conscience. -as a man on a mission (game campaign) he takes no prisoners, although he's unsure about the nature of the mission. Whenever he tries to make things right, he digs a deeper hole for everyone involved, and especially for himself. Elizabeth can take of herself. She starts as a mcguffin, turns out to be bookers daughter, and by the end becomes booker's judge / narrator voice. booker trying to redeem himself through dubious means ends up achieving very little. Elizabeth drowns booker the redemption seeker, because his attempts are futile and do more harm than good. Baptism won't wipe away the debt, killing everyone won't wipe away the debt. selling Elizabeth won't wipe away the debt. If you think it will, you better stay underwater. better this than making things worse. The Booker who lives another day doesn't run from his past, but cares more for tomorrow. He understands that forgiveness is given, not taken, so he doesn't demand it. Two wrongs don't make a right. or something. anyway, that's just my angle. love to hear what anyone else has to say.
  • StrayGator - April 5, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    TL;DR: Drama, Emotion, Humanity. biofiniti haz dem.
  • StrayGator - April 5, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    Alternatively, there's also the troll interpretation: By the end, Irrational flat out declared that BI is an alternate universe Bioshock, and you understand that you played the game that you played 6 years ago, because you already did.
  • StrayGator - April 5, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    also, when you discussed Single-Player-only AAA games, the moment you said "No one can do that, except maybe Ken Levine, 4 years ago" a tear opened right beside me. Thorough it I saw an adjacent universe, where levine was forced to add MP, the unfinished swan is an annualized multimillion seller and Jim Sterling is president of the united states of everything except Luxemburg. Fuck Luxemburg.
  • BladedFalcon - April 6, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    I'd like to say though, that's false, considering that hey, Beyond:Two souls is coming later this year, and i am preeety sure it won't have any MultiPlayer :P
  • Unoriginal - April 5, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Just finished an hour ago. Having heard equal amounts of praise and complaints about the games story I'm pleased to say that I couldn't be happier.
  • winner2 - April 5, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    Hmm. Levine must have opened his mind's eye long ago.
  • antiAntag0nist - April 5, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    I just finished the game about 20 minutes ago and I'm really interested in what you guys have to say.
  • BladedFalcon - April 5, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Excellent podcast people! I finished the game yesterday, and the first thing I did today was to listen to this to see what you guys thought. And it was really entertaining as well as enlightening! ^^ I Will say I wished you had mentioned the Hunter Preston E. Downs story told via the Voxophones, because I thought that was fantastic, although since it's really not important to the actual story of the game, i guess it's understandable- Also, since I didn't find all the voxophones, I'm not sure if they explains what ended up becoming of him after he decides turning on Comstock... Gonna play trough the game again and get everything, and HOPE that one of the Voxophones I missed was the proper end of Preston's story. Also, thinking and reading more about the ending, I feel like I do have a very good grasp of how most all of it makes sense or comes together- Except one part. Once Booker is reborn as Comstock, I get that because of his turn into religious Zealotry, he feels he has to burn the world into the ground, but the Crux of all of Comstock's actual power, The "Prophecies", the tears, even Columbia itself, are not really things he would be able to accomplish if it weren't for Rosalind Lutece, who is understood that was the one that manage to control the tears, and create Columbia... So what I want to know is, How did Comstock find or met with Lutece, and why did Lutece agreed to do what a religious Maniac asked her to do? I mean, I get she was a woman of science, and would welcome any opportunity to experiment further... But why work with Comstock? What did he have to offer to her? what would she gain with working with a religious zealot- something that often clashes starkly with science? I mean- I just find a bit of a disconnect there, I perfectly understand everyone else's motivations except hers in that regard.
  • codystovall - April 5, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    because many of the motives are ignored or poorly reasoned in order for the rigid plot to be.
  • BladedFalcon - April 5, 2013 11 a.m.

    Wrong, Only Lutece's in that specific case has this problem, again, trying to exaggerative and apply that to everyone else in the game reeks of you just seeking to gripe about the game, rather than having a real argument on it.
  • shinkeidei - April 5, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    A personal hypothesis, the reason why she agreed was as simple as resources. Comstock had government funding for Columbia, Rosalind impressed him with all her theories and such. Mutual benefit; Rosalind will get enough funding to prove her theories and Comstock would get his Eden.

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