Skip to main content
Join The Community
- Join our community
11
Premium Benefits
24/7
Access Available
21K+
Active Members
Commenting
Join the discussion
Exclusive Articles Coming Soon
Member-only articles
Weekly Newsletters
Weekly gaming & entertainment news
Member Badges
Earn badges as you go
Exclusive Competitions
Members-only prize draws
Curated Deals Coming Soon
Tech and gaming deals worth grabbing
GET COMMUNITY ACCESS QUICK
For the quickest way to join, simply enter your email below and get access. We will send a confirmation and sign you up to our newsletter to keep you updated on all your gaming news.
By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.
FIND OUT ABOUT OUR MAGAZINE
Want to subscribe to the magazine? Click the button below to find out more information.
Find out more
GET Community ACCESS QUICK

Join the GamesRadar community for quick access. Enter your email below and we'll send confirmation, and sign you up to our newsletter.

By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.

Background
Welcome to GamesRADAR+ Community !
Hi ,

Your membership journey starts here.

Keep exploring and earning more as a member.

MY ACCOUNT

Badge picture
Earn your first badge
Read 1 article to unlock your first badge.
Keep earning badges
Explore ways to get more involved as a member.
Latest Games News

Latest Games News

Breaking gaming news and updates

Read Now
Latest Games Reviews

Latest Games Reviews

Expert verdicts on the newest releases

Read Now

See what you’ve unlocked.

Explore your membership benefits.

Explore
Member Exclusives

Stay Ahead with GamesRadar+

Get the biggest gaming news, reviews, and releases straight to your inbox.

Explore

Sign Out
GamesRadar+ GamesRadar+
US EditionUS CA EditionCanada UK EditionUK AU EditionAustralia
Sign in
  • View Profile
  • Sign out
  • Games
    • Game Insights
      • Games News
      • Games Features
      • Games Reviews
      • Games Guides
      • Big in 2026
      • Big Preview
      • Future Games Show
      • Golden Joystick Awards
    • Genres
      • Action Games
      • RPGs
      • Action RPGs
      • Adventure Games
      • Third Person Shooters
      • FPS Games
    • Platforms
      • PS5
      • Xbox Series X
      • PC
      • Nintendo Switch
      • Nintendo Switch 2
      • Tabletop Gaming
    • Franchises
      • Grand Theft Auto
      • Pokemon
      • Assassin's Creed
      • Monster Hunter
      • Fortnite
      • Cyberpunk
      • Red Dead
      • The Elder Scrolls
      • The Sims
  • Entertainment
    • TV Shows
      • TV News
      • TV Reviews
      • Anime Shows
      • Sci-Fi Shows
      • Superhero Shows
      • Animated Shows
      • Marvel TV Shows
      • Star Wars TV Shows
      • DC TV Shows
    • Movies
      • Movie News
      • Movie Reviews
      • Big Screen Spotlight
      • Superhero Movies
      • Action Movies
      • Anime Movies
      • Sci-Fi Movies
      • Horror Movies
      • Marvel Movies
      • DC Movies
    • Streaming
      • Apple TV Plus
      • Disney Plus
      • Netflix
      • HBO
      • Amazon Prime Video
      • Hulu
    • Comics
      • Marvel Comics
      • DC Comics
    • Toys & Collectibles
    • Lego
    • Dungeons and Dragons
    • Merch
  • Hardware
    • Insights
      • Hardware News
      • Hardware Reviews
      • Hardware Features
    • Computing
      • Desktop PCs
      • Laptops
      • Handhelds
    • Peripherals
      • Headsets & Headphones
      • TVs & Monitors
      • Gaming Mice
      • Gaming Keyboards
      • Gaming Chairs
      • Speakers & Audio
    • Accessories & Tech
      • Gaming Controllers
      • Tech
      • SSDs & Hard Drives
      • VR
      • Accessories
      • Retro
  • Deals
    • Game Deals
    • Tech Deals
    • TV Deals
    • Buying Guides
  • Video
    • Video
    • GR+ Replay - Submit Your Clips
  • Newsletters
    • Quizzes
    • About Us
    • How to pitch to us
    • How we score
    • Newsarama
    • Retro Gamer
    • Total Film
  • home
  • Games
    • View Games
      • Games News
      • Games Features
      • Games Reviews
      • Games Guides
      • Big in 2026
      • Big Preview
      • Future Games Show
      • Golden Joystick Awards
      • Action Games
      • RPGs
      • Action RPGs
      • Adventure Games
      • Third Person Shooters
      • FPS Games
    • Platforms
      • View Platforms
      • PS5
      • Xbox Series X
      • PC
      • Nintendo Switch
      • Nintendo Switch 2
      • Tabletop Gaming
      • Grand Theft Auto
      • Pokemon
      • Assassin's Creed
      • Monster Hunter
      • Fortnite
      • Cyberpunk
      • Red Dead
      • The Elder Scrolls
      • The Sims
  • Entertainment
    • View Entertainment
    • TV Shows
      • View TV Shows
      • TV News
      • TV Reviews
      • Anime Shows
      • Sci-Fi Shows
      • Superhero Shows
      • Animated Shows
      • Marvel TV Shows
      • Star Wars TV Shows
      • DC TV Shows
    • Movies
      • View Movies
      • Movie News
      • Movie Reviews
      • Big Screen Spotlight
      • Superhero Movies
      • Action Movies
      • Anime Movies
      • Sci-Fi Movies
      • Horror Movies
      • Marvel Movies
      • DC Movies
    • Streaming
      • View Streaming
      • Apple TV Plus
      • Disney Plus
      • Netflix
      • HBO
      • Amazon Prime Video
      • Hulu
    • Comics
      • View Comics
      • Marvel Comics
      • DC Comics
    • Toys & Collectibles
    • Lego
    • Dungeons and Dragons
    • Merch
  • Hardware
    • View Hardware
      • Hardware News
      • Hardware Reviews
      • Hardware Features
      • Desktop PCs
      • Laptops
      • Handhelds
    • Peripherals
      • View Peripherals
      • Headsets & Headphones
      • TVs & Monitors
      • Gaming Mice
      • Gaming Keyboards
      • Gaming Chairs
      • Speakers & Audio
      • Gaming Controllers
      • Tech
      • SSDs & Hard Drives
      • VR
      • Accessories
      • Retro
  • Deals
    • View Deals
    • Game Deals
    • Tech Deals
    • TV Deals
    • Buying Guides
  • Video
    • View Video
    • Video
    • GR+ Replay - Submit Your Clips
  • Newsletters
    • Quizzes
    • About Us
    • How to pitch to us
    • How we score
    • Newsarama
    • Retro Gamer
    • Total Film
Trending
  • Crimson Desert
  • Arc Raiders
  • The Boys S5
  • Best turn-based RPGs
  • Submit your clips. Win prizes
  1. Gaming

The 10 best moments from the Schwarzenegger v. EMA's Supreme Court oral arguments

Features
By Joe_Newman published 4 November 2010

Plus, why some of the things people said were a bit… off

When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. Here’s how it works.

  • Facebook
  • X
  • Pinterest
  • Flipboard
  • Email
Share this article
Join the conversation
Follow us
Add us as a preferred source on Google
Sign up to the GamesRadar+ Newsletter

Weekly digests, tales from the communities you love, and more


By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.

You are now subscribed

Your newsletter sign-up was successful


Want to add more newsletters?

GamesRadar+

Every Friday

GamesRadar+

Your weekly update on everything you could ever want to know about the games you already love, games we know you're going to love in the near future, and tales from the communities that surround them.

GTA 6 O'clock

Every Thursday

GTA 6 O'clock

Our special GTA 6 newsletter, with breaking news, insider info, and rumor analysis from the award-winning GTA 6 O'clock experts.

Knowledge

Every Friday

Knowledge

From the creators of Edge: A weekly videogame industry newsletter with analysis from expert writers, guidance from professionals, and insight into what's on the horizon.

The Setup

Every Thursday

The Setup

Hardware nerds unite, sign up to our free tech newsletter for a weekly digest of the hottest new tech, the latest gadgets on the test bench, and much more.

Switch 2 Spotlight

Every Wednesday

Switch 2 Spotlight

Sign up to our new Switch 2 newsletter, where we bring you the latest talking points on Nintendo's new console each week, bring you up to date on the news, and recommend what games to play.

The Watchlist

Every Saturday

The Watchlist

Subscribe for a weekly digest of the movie and TV news that matters, direct to your inbox. From first-look trailers, interviews, reviews and explainers, we've got you covered.

SFX

Once a month

SFX

Get sneak previews, exclusive competitions and details of special events each month!


Join the club

Get full access to premium articles, exclusive features and a growing list of member rewards.


An account already exists for this email address, please log in.
Subscribe to our newsletter

“Video games are a modern form of artistic expression.” - from the EMA’s case brief

Wow. Bet you never thought the Supreme Court would step in to settle a debate fromGamesRadar’s forum conversations, (and every other gaming site and mag) huh? Well, now they are. Maybe. Actually, they kind of aren’t.

See, the games-are-art group of gamers has been adamant that gaming, as a medium, is intrinsically artistic.Other folks have disagreed, saying that games can never be art based purely on the nature of the gaming medium. This debate has been going on for basically forever. But after hearing the response the games-are-art arguments got in the Supreme Court, you might actually conclude that both sides of this debate are wrong. Or at the very least, you might think twice the next time you try bringing up issues of art in a legal setting.

Article continues below


Above: IT’S A TRAP

If you’re looking for the Supreme Court to supply you with the validation your Dad won’t and say that games are intrinsically artistic, just like books or movies, don’t hold your breath. What happens when you try to argue all games are artistic based purely on the medium in which they’re presented? You end up like the lawyer for EMA during yesterday’s oral arguments, who had to defend games like Postal 2 (Warning: video NSFW) or worse yet, Custer’s Revenge as artistic forms of expression.


Above: Oh great, we have to bring this game up again?

Sure, you can say, as EMA and many others do, that the interactive nature of games enables them to be a more effective story-conveying medium. Even if a court believes you, such an argument cuts both ways: Schwarzenegger’s crew would say that that same interactive nature makes game intrinsically more capable of conveying obscenity, more effective at implanting negative behavior, and therefore a bigger danger for minors. Like we said - this line of argument is a trap.

Sign up to the GamesRadar+ Newsletter

Weekly digests, tales from the communities you love, and more

By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.

What does this mean for the future? A lot of gamers think that while some games are undoubtedly artistic, not every game that comes out can really be considered a great work of art. (Shrek: Smash n’ Crash Racing: perhaps it isn’t art.) Let’s be honest: lots of games are shit. And the problem is if we accept that, realistically, there are some games that exist or could exist which would have no artistic value, and are really awful games, and happen to be really violent and disgusting, some might have to concede that they might not be protected speech under the First Amendment. And if some would concede that point, they’ve basically agreed that the California law, designed to regulate only the worst of the worst games, is actually OK.

And if you’re a lawyer, you don’t want to concede that your opponent is actually right. Right? Well, what do you do instead? You argue that…

CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: So just to be clear, your answer to Justice Alito is at this point there is nothing the State can do?

MR. SMITH (lawyer for the EMA): Because there is no problem it needs to solve that would justify -

CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Could I just have a simple answer?

MR. SMITH: The answer is yes, Your Honor.

CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: There is nothing the State can do.

Actually, hats off to the EMA attorney for having the balls to say something like this. Managing to more or less dodge the sticky question posed earlier (“are admittedly terrible games like Postal 2 protected speech?”), he shifts the focus of the discussion to whether or not the State can actually be justified in regulating games. On the one hand, this makes it easier for him to shift his focus back to the fact that there is no “compelling state interest” in regulating violent videogames. In other words, it allows him to say that even if these videogames are shitty, they’re not shitty enough to make state-wide regulation necessary.

But then, on the other hand, he just told the Supreme Court that the government is powerless and should f**k off. Not a move that’s going to make him super popular with the Justices, especially those Justices who actually want to prevent kids from playing Postal 2 and are looking for a legal means to do so.

What does this mean for the future? These last two quotes from the oral arguments hit on the biggest problem with the game industry’s stance: it’s extreme. Extreme viewpoints in the Supreme Court are usually pretty risky. Telling the State it has no available means to prevent games from getting to minors is pretty bold. But just because a viewpoint is extreme doesn’t mean it can’t sometimes prevail. Maybe all videogames will turn out to be judged as protected speech? We’ll have to see.

MR. MORAZZINI: I think a jury would be charged with perhaps the standard of what the community believes [is] an average minor. So [a jury] would consider --

JUSTICE SCALIA: An average minor is halfway between 0 and 18; is that 9 years old?

MR. MORAZZINI: Fair point, Justice Scalia.

— YouTube video

Oh, that Justice Scalia! The court was in stitches, trust us. Justice Marshall totally lol’led.

Despite the fact that he is just kind of being a dick, Scalia makes a good point. What exactly is the difference between an obscenity for a 17-year old, and an obscenity for a 9-one-year-old? The California law puts them all into the same “class” of people. Is it fair to group every kid together like that?

What does this mean for the future? A member of the National Youth Rights association that we spoke to at the rally had a great point about the California law. The law states that a “parent” can purchase a game for a minor, but nowhere in the law does it say that the “parent” who buys the game must be over 18. In other words, the law does not prevent underage parents from buying violent videogames for their even-more-underage kiddies.

What does this mean for you if you’re under 18, live in California, and the Supreme Court doesn’t strike down this law? Guess you better go get a girl pregnant, so you can buy the game “for the baby”. Legally.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3

Current page: Page 2

Prev Page Page 1 Next Page Page 3
TOPICS
Microsoft Sony
Joe_Newman
Latest in Gaming
Gaming Visceral's Star Wars game: What we knew before it was canceled
 
 
Luis Sinisterra and Dominic Solanke ahead of the Leeds vs Bournemouth live stream
Gaming Leeds vs Bournemouth live stream: how to watch the Premier League online today, team news
 
 
Grid Legends
Gaming Grid Legends review: "Finds its niche alongside Forza Horizon and Gran Turismo"
 
 
UGOAT
Gaming How we chose the Ultimate Game of All Time shortlist for the Golden Joystick Awards 2021
 
 
Lost Judgment
Gaming Lost Judgment review - "More of the same, but better"
 
 
Nintendo Switch
Gaming Nintendo Switch Pro reveal to take place before E3, reports suggest
 
 
Latest in Features
Antony Starr as Homelander in The Boys season 5 trailer
Superhero Shows The Boys season 5, episode 4 recap: Easter eggs, cameos, and who dies
 
 
A crop of the Yoshi and the Mysterious Book cover art showing the green mascot looking curiously at sketchy, encyclopaedia-style drawings of numerous creatures
Platforming Games Yoshi and the Mysterious Book finds a brand-new identity for Nintendo's sidelined platformer mascot
 
 
The Expanse: Osiris Reborn
Third Person Shooters The Expanse: Osiris Reborn's beta lacks gravitas but does enough to keep me invested
 
 
Krysten Ritter as Jessica Jones in Daredevi: Born Again season 2
Marvel TV Shows Jessica Jones has finally returned in Daredevil: Born Again season 2, but I wish she weren't burdened with a tired comic-book trope
 
 
Invincible season 4
Superhero Shows Invincible season 4 finale post-credits scenes: how many are there and how do they set up season 5?
 
 
Replaced release trailer screenshots
Platforming Games 37 years since Prince of Persia, Replaced is the cinematic platformer I've been waiting for
 
 
LATEST ARTICLES
  1. Close up of the branding alongside the edge of the FireCuda X Vault external hard drive.
    1
    Seagate has unveiled the FireCuda X Vault, a huge external hard drive with up to 20TB of storage
  2. 2
    Clayface trailer doesn't address Batman, but there are enough Gotham nods to suggest the Caped Crusader will show up
  3. 3
    Jessica Jones almost appeared in Daredevil: Born Again season 1, according to Krysten Ritter
  4. 4
    Crimson Desert's "largest update" brings countless changes, but it all pales in comparison to one bug-turned feature
  5. 5
    New Jessica Jones Marvel action figure is so accurate it's giving me the creeps

GamesRadar+ is part of Future US Inc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. Visit our corporate site.

Add as a preferred source on Google Add as a preferred source on Google
  • Terms and conditions
  • Contact Future's experts
  • Privacy policy
  • Cookies policy
  • Accessibility statement
  • Careers
  • About us
  • Advertise with us
  • Review guidelines
  • Write for us

© Future US, Inc. Full 7th Floor, 130 West 42nd Street, New York, NY 10036.

Please login or signup to comment

Please wait...