Skip to main content
Join The Community
- Join our community
11
Premium Benefits
24/7
Access Available
21K+
Active Members
Commenting
Join the discussion
Exclusive Articles Coming Soon
Member-only articles
Weekly Newsletters
Weekly gaming & entertainment news
Member Badges
Earn badges as you go
Exclusive Competitions
Members-only prize draws
Curated Deals Coming Soon
Tech and gaming deals worth grabbing
GET COMMUNITY ACCESS QUICK
For the quickest way to join, simply enter your email below and get access. We will send a confirmation and sign you up to our newsletter to keep you updated on all your gaming news.
By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.
FIND OUT ABOUT OUR MAGAZINE
Want to subscribe to the magazine? Click the button below to find out more information.
Find out more
GET Community ACCESS QUICK

Join the GamesRadar community for quick access. Enter your email below and we'll send confirmation, and sign you up to our newsletter.

By submitting your information, you confirm you are aged 16 or over, have read our Privacy Policy and agree to the Terms & Conditions. Geographical rules apply.

Background
Welcome to GamesRADAR+ Community !
Hi ,

Your membership journey starts here.

Keep exploring and earning more as a member.

MY ACCOUNT

Badge picture
Earn your first badge
Read 1 article to unlock your first badge.
Keep earning badges
Explore ways to get more involved as a member.
Latest Games News

Latest Games News

Breaking gaming news and updates

Read Now
Latest Games Reviews

Latest Games Reviews

Expert verdicts on the newest releases

Read Now

See what you’ve unlocked.

Explore your membership benefits.

Explore
Member Exclusives

Stay Ahead with GamesRadar+

Get the biggest gaming news, reviews, and releases straight to your inbox.

Explore

Sign Out
GamesRadar+ GamesRadar+
US EditionUS CA EditionCanada UK EditionUK AU EditionAustralia
Sign in
  • View Profile
  • Sign out
  • Games
    • Game Insights
      • Games News
      • Games Features
      • Games Reviews
      • Games Guides
      • Big in 2026
      • Big Preview
      • Future Games Show
      • Golden Joystick Awards
    • Genres
      • Action Games
      • RPGs
      • Action RPGs
      • Adventure Games
      • Third Person Shooters
      • FPS Games
    • Platforms
      • PS5
      • Xbox Series X
      • PC
      • Nintendo Switch
      • Nintendo Switch 2
      • Tabletop Gaming
    • Franchises
      • Grand Theft Auto
      • Pokemon
      • Assassin's Creed
      • Monster Hunter
      • Fortnite
      • Cyberpunk
      • Red Dead
      • The Elder Scrolls
      • The Sims
  • Entertainment
    • TV Shows
      • TV News
      • TV Reviews
      • Anime Shows
      • Sci-Fi Shows
      • Superhero Shows
      • Animated Shows
      • Marvel TV Shows
      • Star Wars TV Shows
      • DC TV Shows
    • Movies
      • Movie News
      • Movie Reviews
      • Big Screen Spotlight
      • Superhero Movies
      • Action Movies
      • Anime Movies
      • Sci-Fi Movies
      • Horror Movies
      • Marvel Movies
      • DC Movies
    • Streaming
      • Apple TV Plus
      • Disney Plus
      • Netflix
      • HBO
      • Amazon Prime Video
      • Hulu
    • Comics
      • Marvel Comics
      • DC Comics
  • Hardware
    • Insights
      • Hardware News
      • Hardware Reviews
      • Hardware Features
      • Buying Guides
    • Computing
      • Desktop PCs
      • Laptops
      • Handhelds
    • Peripherals
      • Headsets & Headphones
      • TVs & Monitors
      • Gaming Mice
      • Gaming Keyboards
      • Gaming Chairs
      • Speakers & Audio
    • Accessories & Tech
      • Gaming Controllers
      • Tech
      • SSDs & Hard Drives
      • VR
      • Accessories
      • Retro
  • Deals
    • Toys & Collectibles
    • Lego
    • Dungeons and Dragons
    • Merch
  • Video
    • Video
    • GR+ Replay - Submit Your Clips
  • Newsletters
    • Quizzes
    • About Us
    • How to pitch to us
    • How we score
    • Newsarama
    • Retro Gamer
  • Home
  • Games
    • View Games
      • Games News
      • Games Features
      • Games Reviews
      • Games Guides
      • Big in 2026
      • Big Preview
      • Future Games Show
      • Golden Joystick Awards
      • Action Games
      • RPGs
      • Action RPGs
      • Adventure Games
      • Third Person Shooters
      • FPS Games
    • Platforms
      • View Platforms
      • PS5
      • Xbox Series X
      • PC
      • Nintendo Switch
      • Nintendo Switch 2
      • Tabletop Gaming
      • Grand Theft Auto
      • Pokemon
      • Assassin's Creed
      • Monster Hunter
      • Fortnite
      • Cyberpunk
      • Red Dead
      • The Elder Scrolls
      • The Sims
  • Entertainment
    • View Entertainment
    • TV Shows
      • View TV Shows
      • TV News
      • TV Reviews
      • Anime Shows
      • Sci-Fi Shows
      • Superhero Shows
      • Animated Shows
      • Marvel TV Shows
      • Star Wars TV Shows
      • DC TV Shows
    • Movies
      • View Movies
      • Movie News
      • Movie Reviews
      • Big Screen Spotlight
      • Superhero Movies
      • Action Movies
      • Anime Movies
      • Sci-Fi Movies
      • Horror Movies
      • Marvel Movies
      • DC Movies
    • Streaming
      • View Streaming
      • Apple TV Plus
      • Disney Plus
      • Netflix
      • HBO
      • Amazon Prime Video
      • Hulu
    • Comics
      • View Comics
      • Marvel Comics
      • DC Comics
  • Hardware
    • View Hardware
      • Hardware News
      • Hardware Reviews
      • Hardware Features
      • Buying Guides
      • Desktop PCs
      • Laptops
      • Handhelds
    • Peripherals
      • View Peripherals
      • Headsets & Headphones
      • TVs & Monitors
      • Gaming Mice
      • Gaming Keyboards
      • Gaming Chairs
      • Speakers & Audio
      • Gaming Controllers
      • Tech
      • SSDs & Hard Drives
      • VR
      • Accessories
      • Retro
  • Deals
    • Toys & Collectibles
    • Lego
    • Dungeons and Dragons
    • Merch
  • Video
    • View Video
    • Video
    • GR+ Replay - Submit Your Clips
  • Newsletters
    • Quizzes
    • About Us
    • How to pitch to us
    • How we score
    • Newsarama
    • Retro Gamer
Trending
  • Prime Day deals live
  • GTA 6 pre-orders live this week
  • GTA 6 cover art revealed
  • Summer Preview
  • Best gaming tech
  • New Games 2026
  • Submit your clips. Win prizes
Sign up to the GamesRadar+ Newsletter

Weekly digests, tales from the communities you love, and more


By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.

You are now subscribed

Your newsletter sign-up was successful


Want to add more newsletters?

GamesRadar+

Every Friday

GamesRadar+

Your weekly update on everything you could ever want to know about the games you already love, games we know you're going to love in the near future, and tales from the communities that surround them.

GTA 6 O'clock

Every Thursday

GTA 6 O'clock

Our special GTA 6 newsletter, with breaking news, insider info, and rumor analysis from the award-winning GTA 6 O'clock experts.

Knowledge

Every Friday

Knowledge

From the creators of Edge: A weekly videogame industry newsletter with analysis from expert writers, guidance from professionals, and insight into what's on the horizon.

The Setup

Every Thursday

The Setup

Hardware nerds unite, sign up to our free tech newsletter for a weekly digest of the hottest new tech, the latest gadgets on the test bench, and much more.

Switch 2 Spotlight

Every Wednesday

Switch 2 Spotlight

Sign up to our new Switch 2 newsletter, where we bring you the latest talking points on Nintendo's new console each week, bring you up to date on the news, and recommend what games to play.

The Watchlist

Every Saturday

The Watchlist

Subscribe for a weekly digest of the movie and TV news that matters, direct to your inbox. From first-look trailers, interviews, reviews and explainers, we've got you covered.

SFX

Once a month

SFX

Get sneak previews, exclusive competitions and details of special events each month!


Join the club

Get full access to premium articles, exclusive features and a growing list of member rewards.


An account already exists for this email address, please log in.
  1. Games
  2. Adventure
  3. Pokemon
  4. Pokemon Scarlet and Violet

Pokemon Scarlet and Violet's open gym challenge won't include level-scaling, and that sucks

News
By Ali Jones published 5 August 2022

Players are disappointed by the traditional approach to a new idea

When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. Here’s how it works.

Pokemon
(Image credit: Nintendo)
  • Facebook
  • X
  • Pinterest
  • Flipboard
  • Email
Share this article
Join the conversation
Follow us
Add us as a preferred source on Google
Subscribe to our newsletter

Pokemon Scarlet and Violet fans are expressing their disappointment at the revelation that the game's new approach to the series' gym challenge doesn't seem to scale with players' progress.

The recent Pokemon Presents showcase reaffirmed the fact that there's no set path by which you need to complete the game's three storylines. One of those arcs is the iconic gym challenge, within which you'll need to defeat all eight gym leaders to earn their badges. With Game Freak revealing that you'll be able to tackle the gyms in whichever order you like as you journey around the Paldea region, some players assumed that those gym leaders might scale alongside you, fielding more powerful teams if you encounter them later in the game than they might in the opening few hours.

Thing is, that's not just some random whim of the community. Lots of RPGs offer some degree of level-scaling, and Pokemon has actually provided an in-universe solution to this exact problem. In the first episode of the Pokemon Origins miniseries - which turns Pokemon Red and Blue into their own anime - protagonist Red arrives at the Pewter City gym to face leader Brock. When Brock learns that Red doesn't have any badges yet, he agrees to battle him with two specific Pokemon, rather than his entire team. It's just a brief, throwaway moment, but one that explains a lot about how Pokemon gyms might work outside the context of the games.

Latest Videos From
Watch full video here:

It's also a system that would likely have worked in the new games. Show up with a team of three first-stage 'mons, and a gym leader would face you down with a smaller, weaker team. Rock up with six fully-evolved beasts, and leaders would respond in kind.

Unfortunately, however, that doesn't appear to be the case. As pointed out on Reddit, the games' official website says that "there is no set path to the Gyms. You can purposefully seek out a stronger Gym Leader, or you can simply stop by a Gym that happens to be located in a town you came across on your journey." From that, it's pretty clear that even if the last gym you arrive at is the intended 'first' gym, it won't be putting up much of a challenge.

You may like
  • A pokemon prepares for battle Pokemon Champions makes poor first impression on fans: 6v6 singles, popular items, and mons missing
  • A screenshot of Kitt in Pokemon Champions, standing in front of two Tauros. Pokemon Champions patches out strategies players have been using for years, but at least Freeze has finally been nerfed
  • Mega Charizard X in Pokemon Champions. Pokemon Champions producer "really enjoyed" the Pokemon Stadium games, used them as a "reference"

The responses on Reddit haven't been particularly positive. User eden_sc2 suggests that "no level scaling would make the gym order completely worthless." Elsewhere, user Kureiton points out that proper scaling might make things easier, "because a casual player is far more likely to get lost and accidentally end up at a harder gym without realising." Elsewhere, one user simply described the decision as a "bummer."

It'll be interesting to see how the other two narrative arcs in the game might adopt a more open approach rather than Pokemon's traditional, linear story, but this does feel like a peculiar stumbling block, particularly in a series that's been criticised for its refusal to include increased difficulty options for veteran players. 

Sign up to the GamesRadar+ Newsletter

Weekly digests, tales from the communities you love, and more

By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.

Check out the Pokemon Scarlet and Violet PokeDex for a look at all of the creatures confirmed so far.

CATEGORIES
Nintendo Switch Platforms Nintendo
Ali Jones
Ali Jones
Social Links Navigation
Managing Editor, News

I'm GamesRadar's Managing Editor for news, shaping the news strategy across the team. I started my journalistic career while getting my degree in English Literature at the University of Warwick, where I also worked as Games Editor on the student newspaper, The Boar. Since then, I've run the news sections at PCGamesN and Kotaku UK, and also regularly contributed to PC Gamer. As you might be able to tell, PC is my platform of choice, so you can regularly find me playing League of Legends or Steam's latest indie hit.

Read more
A pokemon prepares for battle
Pokemon Pokemon Champions makes poor first impression on fans: 6v6 singles, popular items, and mons missing
 
 
A screenshot of Kitt in Pokemon Champions, standing in front of two Tauros.
Pokemon Pokemon Champions patches out strategies players have been using for years, but at least Freeze has finally been nerfed
 
 
Mega Charizard X in Pokemon Champions.
Pokemon Pokemon Champions producer "really enjoyed" the Pokemon Stadium games, used them as a "reference"
 
 
Greninja and Sylveon fight in Pokemon Champions
Pokemon I made a competitive team in minutes in Pokemon Champions – this could open the door for newcomers
 
 
Pokemon Champions
Pokemon Pokemon Champions matches end in draws when the timer runs out, and no one can decide if that's a good thing
 
 
A screenshot from the cinematic reveal trailer for Pokemon Champions, showing a Mega Charizard X and Terastalized Dondozo fighting.
Pokemon Pokemon Champions' decision to remove IVs required a "heated discussion" with one of the series' OG battle designers
 
 
Latest in Pokemon
Pokemon Chaos Rising card and booster pack laid out on a dark background
Tabletop Gaming Pokemon card fans seem to agree that card grading culture sucks and makes the hobby "a lot less enjoyable"
 
 
Pokemon TCG Pocket
Pokemon Best Pokemon TCG Pocket Mega Manectric deck
 
 
Pokemon TCG Pocket best decks
Pokemon Best Pokemon TCG Pocket Giratina ex deck
 
 
Best decks in Pokemon TCG Pocket
Pokemon Best Pokemon TCG Pocket Mega Scizor ex deck
 
 
Pokemon TCG Pocket
Pokemon Best Pokemon TCG Pocket Meowscarada ex deck
 
 
Pokemon Pokopia
Pokemon Pokemon Pokopia makes splash with free underwater update and paid DLC, coming later this summer
 
 
Latest in News
Faye looks off into the distance in God of War Laufey.
God of War God of War Laufey star Deborah Ann Woll has known about the game for "nearly 10 years"
 
 
House of the Dragon
Fantasy Shows The Dance of the Dragons is far from over in new House of the Dragon season 3 trailer
 
 
The Boroughs
Sci-Fi Shows The Boroughs star encourages fans and Emmy voters to "stick it to Netflix" after the show's cancellation
 
 
Rick Grimes in The Walking Dead
Horror Shows The Walking Dead boss thinks the franchise will "eventually" give us a Rick Grimes and Daryl Dixon reunion
 
 
Back panel of Acer Predator Helios Neo 16S AI lid on a wooden desk
Laptops Gaming laptops are more expensive than ever, and it's not Amazon solving the problem this Prime Day
 
 
PS5, Nintendo Switch, and PC accessories on a blue background with Prime Day deals badge
Hardware Best Buy's Tech Fest is here to take on Prime Day, but these are the 11 offers gamers should actually know about
 
 
LATEST ARTICLES
  1. Task Bar Hero pet bat
    1
    How to unlock all Task Bar Hero Pets
  2. 2
    God of War Laufey star Deborah Ann Woll has known about the game for "nearly 10 years," and Jack Quaid's cube has "been there since the beginning": "It's deeply a part of the lore"
  3. 3
    The Dance of the Dragons is far from over in new House of the Dragon season 3 trailer
  4. 4
    The Boroughs star encourages fans and Emmy voters to "stick it to Netflix" after the show's cancellation
  5. 5
    The 8K version of the GameSir G7 Pro has taken its first-ever discount, and it's not even in the big summer sale you're thinking of

GamesRadar+ is part of Future US Inc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. Visit our corporate site.

Add as a preferred source on Google Add as a preferred source on Google
  • Terms and conditions
  • Contact Future's experts
  • Privacy policy
  • Cookies policy
  • Accessibility statement
  • Careers
  • About us
  • Advertise with us
  • Review guidelines
  • Write for us

© Future US, Inc. Full 7th Floor, 130 West 42nd Street, New York, NY 10036.

Please login or signup to comment

Please wait...