• RadgarLaser2 - November 15, 2012 10:34 p.m.

    And why should we place as much trust in professional reviews over butt hurt reviews. Every large gaming review site shares some bias and plays ball to appeal to certain gaming companies that have major worldwide releases. They fluff up all the positives and sympathize with the negative to the point it's just user specific. It's part of the game now and the politics gamers have to deal with. I doubt any professional reviewers will give this anything less than a 9 because they get pressured and practically bribed in many ways with job security, early access, free swag, etc. Then there's the sympathy points for charities like the Call of Duty Endowment. Ultimately if you say you hate this game or any popular franchise these days, everyone makes you feel unpatriotic like you are against America and some sort of monstrous bigot. You guys are just enablers, telling kids to eat Mt Dew flavored Doritos, who's the monster now?
  • Viron - November 16, 2012 7 a.m.

    What you are saying is that these games can't be good even though professionals reviewers give them a high score? Did it ever cross your mind some people may like the game? Did it ever cross your mind that all of that stuff they're exposed to is also a marketing test to see if their consumers are happy with their product? And don't say "Well their consumers aren't happy with their product." We both know that is bullshit, their consumers are happy with it, they bought it in massive numbers and people who talk about franchise fatigue shouldn't be buying it unless they are massive hypocrites. The reality is people are upset that Treyarch and Activision have found a niche they may never need to grow out of, that they don't have to try to appeal to a wider audience. Because the mode of people has become "I don't like it so no one should" and I'm not referring to just you, I'm referring to all of us, including me. We have become so absorbed into the tools of narcissism, that we now think that we are all special snowflakes, who are all important in the world. The reality is none of the snowflakes give a shit about each other's individuality. So you all can cry about how gaming is dying or why there are so many "insert internet buzzword here" playing games now, but the sad truth is that game companies are moving on, like the media, like Star Wars, like politics, to the new generation. Because this one has already been used up and no longer wants to pay for their "shit" anymore, but those kids do. And they will. Get used to being old.
  • MolokoVeck - November 16, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    I believe Radgar was saying that because of the politics involved in the game industry you cannot always trust professional reviews. How often do you take the opinion of a "professional" review over that of your peers? If you want to see a movie do you pay more attention to professional critics or do you get a feel from your friends or online user communities of people you identify with? Just because Million Dollar Baby got rave reviews does not mean it was a great movie (though I am not saying great professional reviews mean you should avoid the thing being reviewed). The reality, as you have stated, is that many game companies have found their niche. You are correct that Treyarch and Activision do not have to appeal to a broader audience, especially since they already develop their games to appeal to just about the broadest audience possible. This is why us "old" gamers get frustrated with series like this. It is the same with any media really. It frustrates me that every tween the world over thinks Twilight is the most epic saga to ever grace the silver screen, but that is today's reality. Those films appeal to the masses, just as these games appeal to the masses. Simple solution: if you don't like it then don't play it. Luckily the CoD franchise is not the only choice and there are quite a few excellent options out there...
  • zombi3grim - November 16, 2012 1 p.m.

    I ALWAYS trust proffesional reviews over user ones. Because of the simple fact that their proffesionals. They do this every day all day for a living. They know what to look for. Their not some butthurt pissed of 12 year old fanboy raging in a comment box.
  • MolokoVeck - November 16, 2012 1:49 p.m.

    That depends on the users. I would not consider butthurt pissed off 12 year olds to be my peers. I prefer to stay away from the ranting of commenters for that very reason. Instead, if I am wary of the "professional" reviews then I seek out serious gamer opinions. There are plenty of people out there who give their honest opinion and who also have experience playing lots of games. If I ask a CoD fan (professional reviewer or not) what they think of the latest CoD they will likely give me a favorable opinion. If I seek out the opinion of a gamer who plays a variety of games and appreciates them for their intricate stories, attention to details, exceptional art direction, and engaging sound, then I will probably get a different result. Since those are some of the things that I appreciate in games then I seek out gamers who have similar tastes. Remember that "professional" reviewers are just people. They are gamers who have their own opinions and their own favorite games. While they may have more experience reviewing games, and a deeper insight into the gaming industry, their opinions are not any more or less valid than another's. Well, I suppose they are more valid than the butthurt fanboys... "The graffix are soooooo bad!!!!!" Really? Do better.
  • zombi3grim - November 16, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    So a gamer who likes a variety of games is going to tell you CoD is terrible? Well, heres a shocker. Im 25 years old. Ive been gaming since the NES. I play everything from Final Fantasy to Halo to Diablo 3. I love Skyrim, I love GTA and I also love CoD. I have probably the most mixed collection out of everyone on this entire site, a collection thats been growing since I was in middle school.
  • MolokoVeck - November 16, 2012 3:05 p.m.

    I have nothing against CoD games, and I understand why people like them, they just are not games that I enjoy. Yes, a lot of people like these games. Yes, they get great reviews. My point is that you cannot say that because a game gets great reviews that it is inherently a great game. Also, just because a lot of people like something does not make it good. The qualities of a game itself are what make the game good. The fact that you play and enjoy all of those games as well as CoD also does not have anything to do with how good the game is. You have your tastes, and I have mine. Making bold claims about your video game library does not add to your argument. You like CoD, and that is fine. I only posted in defense of Radgar's original post because I felt he had a good, though somewhat tongue-in-cheek point.
  • winner2 - November 16, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    You get my nomination for best argument and coolheadedness on the whole site today. You've summed up what I believe should be common sense in a few paragraphs, kudos.
  • zombi3grim - November 16, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    His post could be condensed down into a giant "meh, idc, do what you want." If thats all it takes to impress you, you need to raise your standards.
  • winner2 - November 17, 2012 6:31 a.m.

    Are you upset?
  • zombi3grim - November 17, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    Nevermind the fact that I used no adjectives to describe my feelings, the fact that in your mind someone you have never met is mad at another person they have never met is fucking amazing. So a better question would be how the hell can you tell someones feelings based on text on your screen?
  • winner2 - November 17, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    Context and observation of past behavior. Are you coming away enlightened? Also, I think it says something about a person when they decide to attack those who agree with their opponent because they failed to come up with a sufficient counter argument to said opponent.
  • zombi3grim - November 17, 2012 8:20 p.m.

    Um, there is no context. And behavior? You can determine behavior from text on a screen? Let me let you in on a little something. If I dont use any adjectives to describe how Im feeling, your intepreting it how you ASSUME Im feeling. How Im acting in person you have no idea. You cant see my face to read my facial expressions. You cant hear my voice to recognize tone. Im not letting you know how I feel with adjectives. I could be laughing my ass off. I could be crying. I could be frothing at the mouth. I could be distracted eating and watching tv and typing this one handed. But YOU choose to believe Im frothing at the mouth because it fits with your pre conceived notions of how you WANT me to act. Hate to burst your bubble. Also, my said "opponent" had no argument. Like I said, he said his opinion and let it rest. Wasnt anything left to say at that point. He conceded. Again, raise your standards.
  • winner2 - November 17, 2012 9:20 p.m.

    So your continued ranting is now consisting of repeating what anyone reading already knows (up to a certain point)? I think we already understand the concept of assumptions on the Internet, oh wise one. But please, bless us with your ever expanding comprehension.
  • zombi3grim - November 18, 2012 5:14 a.m.

    Well now that we both understand that you have no idea how Im acting or feeling, we can all move on now, right? Since your ranting just boiled down to an ad hominem, lets just all be simple and let this go.
  • winner2 - November 18, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    I don't believe many people would actually consider my past few posts to be ranting. They've all been prett short, simple, clear, and non-threatening. Is there anything else you'd like to clear up (using that phrase sort of looseley)?
  • zombi3grim - November 18, 2012 5:42 p.m.

    Clear up? What the fuck is looseley? I dont care what "many people" would consider. Welcome to internet, fuck face. Its what I consider that matters. And your ranting. You cant be threatening on the internet. Exactly the same way you cant differ someones attitude through text on a screen. Theres nothing you cleared up for me. You still havent answered how you were able to determine my attitude based upon text with no adjectives, no way to hear my voice or read my facial expressions. You said context and past behavior, but I shot that right the fuck down and you sort of just hopped over it. So, if you want to keep responding to me and playing this little game, we can deff. do that. Now answer the fucking question. Pop quiz, was that last sentence delivered angrily? Or sarcastically? No adjectives! So its up to you! seewutididthar
  • winner2 - November 18, 2012 8:03 p.m.

    Are you upset now? I'm using my all seeing powers to come to the conclusion that you are. Am I wrong?
  • Viron - November 19, 2012 11:53 p.m.

    I love it when children think someone getting mad ends a discussion, it's almost as amusing as seeing children troll and thinking it's funny.
  • zombi3grim - November 20, 2012 6:13 a.m.

    Well he stopped responding so I think he got the fuckin message...
  • ZpeherX - November 25, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    Or he might have decided to celebrated Thanksgiving with family and friends instead of arguing over the internet. That's viable. And sweetie, while I would normally take your side because I don't like trolls, winner2 was right about being able to derive certain tones/moods/emotions in WRITING (not face-to-face convos, which I think you meant). Adjectives, adverbs, etc. are nice but not necessary. EX: "Jacob glared at his brother and left the room, slamming the door as he went." No adjective/adjective-like words, but you still get the sense that Jacob's upset with his brother. That's how literary professors do it. :) That, um, chat was entertaining, but I think some things were taken out of context. You're 25 right? I bet winner2 just some younger kid using you as cheap entertainment. You shouldn't let it get to you.
  • zombi3grim - November 25, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    Sweetie? The fuck is this? Who the fuck are you? Necro post, FTW. Anyways, he stopped responding WAY before thanksgiving. Hes posted since then on other articles. Your "example" is exactly what Im talking about. You used the word "glared." Guess what that is? A word that indicates emotion. Your DESCRIBING the situation. Your SETTING a mood. I did none of those things. I didnt say "as im angrily typing this." or "as i glare at my monitor with seething rage." No, Im typing this as if Im speaking. Im not describing any sort of context or situation. And since you cant hear or see me and Im typing as if Im speaking, you have to rely on what I tell you to determine my tone/mood/emotion in WRITING. Which is EXACTLY what I meant. I was an english side major during surgical tech school. It helps to write reports which is very essential in my job. So now you can drop this as well, and let this post die like it was supposed to. Thanks, sweetie.
  • winner2 - November 26, 2012 5:56 a.m.

    Holy Jesus, I believe you are the most unintelligent person I have ever conversed with. If I can't get this bit of common sense through to you, and that other person can't either, I think you might be one of those hopeless cases. Here's what I believe to be a better example, as a last ditch effort: "Jack said to his girlfriend, 'I think we need to break up.' His girlfriend went out the door and slammed it shut behind her." There are mo adjectives in that sentence, in case you need any help. Now, how is Jack's girlfriend feeling? Would you like to mull that over for a while, or is your 25 year old, English side major savvy brain incompetent to the point that you will still come to the wrong conclusion? I'm really, really losing hope in the intelligence of people in general. If I can help even one person such as yourself, I believe I will have done a good deed for the day. Actually, I think it would be my good deed for the month because your mental ineptitude is really draining me of my energy.
  • ZpeherX - November 26, 2012 7:04 a.m.

    -Sweetie? I'm a girl, I type how I speak. I didn't feel the need to call you anything rude, so I didn't. -The fuck is this? A post on just the literary aspect of what your argument was. I wasn't addressing being able to look/hear through a screen to see exactly how someone responds to something. I agree with you there, the anonymity of the net makes that impossible. I was merely stating that your whole "adjective" thing wasn't exactly right. I wasn't asking you to give me situation, I was pointing out how it could be used. The sentence could be "Jacob looked at his brother and left the room, closing the door as he left," and based on diction and the connotative response people have to the words chosen, the way the sentence is gauged is totally changed. When I say describing words, I mean things like adjectives, adverbs, gerunds, etc. since that's specifically what you, not verbs like "glared". I also wasn't addressing how you feel, but how writing can be used like that in general. That's all I was addressing. -Who the fuck are you? Someone who forgot here log in info for CP/GR and made a new one. I was aware the post was probably dead. I figured you wouldn't be reading the reply, since it was, as you stated, dead. And I wasn't choosing sides, or whatever. As you pointed out, we don't know what you do when you're not on here. Same goes for everyone else though. He could have been traveling, etc., if he didn't reply right away and just figured since he DIDN'T reply right away, there was no need to at all. I don't know, neither do you. I'm not attacking you or however you took that post, so there's no need to call me out. I was just pointing out a mistake in your argument. Correcting you isn't me trying to argue, it's me just addressing something not completely right. And kudos for the major, since I'm an English teacher and have one too. Respect, I guess. Thanks for reading, sweetie.
  • Dmastaj187 - November 16, 2012 12:53 a.m.

    Black OPS 2 online is terrible. The campaign is awesome and zombies is pretty good too. The online though is the reason why most people buy this game, and since the online is so bad, obviously people are going to rage and they have the right to seeing as how they payed 65$ for unfinished multiplayer. The maps are mostly camper friendly and the guns are underpowered with assault rifles taking 3 to 4 hit markers to kill now, so you can imagine submachine guns and how useless they are. What I fail to grasp is why lower the damage of assault rifles and other weapons but keep snipers at one hit kills. It's like they endorse people who camp. I hated mw3 but after playing black ops 2 online I can't help but want mw3 guns back :,(
  • Dmastaj187 - November 16, 2012 12:58 a.m.

    Black ops 2 just hit the bail on the coffin for the call of duty series for me. I was really looking forward to something new, but unfortunately I got something for the noobs and the campers (seriously? A TARGET FINDER sight? Now my 4 year old cousin can be good) this game just makes me sad because I didn't think it was possible to make call of duty genuinely straight up bad. Granted it was the same every year, but it was something I enjoyed playing online with friends. I actually got off this game and got back on MW3
  • SpiritTemple - November 16, 2012 2:29 a.m.

    I love how you claim to hate MW3 yet than state you're going back to MW3. I bet you've spent over 100 hours in it's multiplayer, yeah you sure hate it.
  • Dmastaj187 - November 16, 2012 11:55 p.m.

    Damn straight. I said I hate mw3 yet I have to go back to it because black ops 2 is so bad. Learn to read before you make a snobbish remark.
  • Dmastaj187 - November 16, 2012 11:58 p.m.

    Going back to mw3 because I don't have the patient to put 4-5 bullets into a guy and still not have him drop. At least in mw3 if I put 2-3 into a guy he was down, not this crappy game. And to rebuke your ignorant comment, I have 3 days played on mw3. HMD
  • SpiritTemple - November 20, 2012 5:04 a.m.

    If you hated MW3 than you wouldn't be playing MW3, your just contradicting yourself like all these "COD haters". Noob.
  • tehtimeisnow - November 16, 2012 1:42 a.m.

    those poeople r such idoits i hope actevesoin finds them and sues them for every money they got cuz thats just plane desrespactfull to make bad reveiws like that and come on show some respact for the best gane of all time and probeblly the most infulentail game of the decede
  • edward-temblador - November 16, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    And the award for the worst troll of 2012 GOES TO?!???!? THIS GUY!!
  • thatnerdguy1 - November 18, 2012 6:39 p.m.

    Think this is bad? You should see his work on IGN.
  • barrage7667 - November 16, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    Dude, I'm going to sue you for being unable to spell. Seriously.
  • angelusdlion - November 16, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    have an internet or a bajillion, you diserve them.
  • SpadesSlick - November 16, 2012 3:10 a.m.

    Good lord some of you people are oblivious. It's supposed to be funny, you click the article for laughs. Do you want the gamesradar staff to post a series of logical counterpoints to every 'worst graffix ever, 60 dolalr map pack -5 stars!' review?
  • angelusdlion - November 16, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    No, I actually want them to do stories tat are legitimate to my interests not comedy fluff. But because this is gamesrader I'll have to put up with the "Humor."
  • Elgyem - November 16, 2012 5:31 a.m.

    "I give it one star for being the number one best game ever" was so ridiculous it's hilarious.
  • Grif - November 16, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    Sounds like something Duke Lombardi would say.
  • doominatorx6 - November 16, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    What, no "gayarch" comments?
  • winner2 - November 16, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    "Stop excreting these rectangular turds" I snorted. I was not expecting that. Also I love the "Rehash: The Game" one.
  • TheArkhamAvenger - November 16, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    To be honest I was hating on this game for a long time thinking it would just be another rehash like they have been ever since World at war, however to my surprise this one feels like it could be a revival of the Call of Duty franchise, although it is a bit of a step, it actually feels like a new game and all the changes (Although they are very subtle to some degree) have actually a very good impact on the feel of the game and how well it plays. I am a bit picky when it comes to new games that look like they aren't very different, however this re design is very much note worthy.

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