----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------Team Fortress 2 – Spy Strategy Guide----------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Version: 2.8 Last Update: June 18th, 2008 This guide is subject to change, as it will continually be updated as seen fit. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Authors: nodforlife & Delkin525 (aka sR + Orca) Email: (Delkin525) - delkin525@gmail.com (nodforlife) - nodforlife@yahoo.com We appreciate E-mails!!! Steam IDs: nodforlife, Delkin525 ================================================================= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ***************************************************************** - Version History - ----------------------------------------------------------------- - •Version 2.8 / 06-19-2008 - Largest update since the launch of the guide! - - The following have been updated: - - -Fixed some major issues with the index. All of the sections - and codes now correspond to one another accurately. - -General Do's and Don'ts (#10, #18, and other various points) - -The 'How to handle Engineer' section (revised here and there)- -Quick Tips: #29 has been edited; a few others have been - added or changed as well. - -General Outline: Now more of a one-stop place, contains - specific information regarding each of the Spy's weapons and - tools. I've incorporated some robust changes here. - -New Section: Why Spy? (Section 0) - -Updated Accredited Suggestions to thank more people: AlcyOne,- johnie102, and Insolence. - -Moved 'Version History' section to the top of the guide - -In general, we've modified nearly every section of the guide - in one way or another... - -Flipped the Disguise section. Moved the best disguises before- the bad ones. - -Also added 'Reader Comments' to Closing section... - -Added to the Map Strategy section namely: 2Fort strategies, - and strats for the new map: CTF_Turbine - - ----------------------------------------------------------------- - •Version 2.7 / 02-15-2008 - -Rectified some typos - -Slight changes throughout - - ----------------------------------------------------------------- - •Version 2.6 / 01-15-2008 - -Added two more sections: Spy Checking / Quick Tips - -Fixed typos - -Added information, and edited randomly throughout - - ----------------------------------------------------------------- - •Version 2.5 / 01-08-2008 - -Fixed typos - -Added a slew of content throughout the guide - -Added to map strategies, namely Hydro specific information - -Revised information throughout - - ----------------------------------------------------------------- - •Version 2.4 / 12-27-2007 - -Fixed some typos (I'll always find more) - -Other various changes - - ----------------------------------------------------------------- - •Version 2.3 / 12-18-2007 - -Again with the grammatical/spelling errors - -Map Specific Strategies updated: CP_Well update - -Revised guide layout - -Added updates throughout - - ----------------------------------------------------------------- - •Version 2.2 / 12-15-2007 - -Reformatted Entire Guide - -Added New Sections - -Many grammatical/spelling errors have been fixed - -Refined initial work, added to sections - -Spy disguise officially deemed poor disguise - - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Intro: ----------------------------------------------------------------- The spy is considered by many to be the most difficult of the classes, and for good reason; he is. Of all the classes he demands the most micro (or coordination that is acquired over time with experience). The Spy is unique in the fact that he's not your typical first-person-shooter experience. You're goal is not to out-gun the enemy, in fact it's the exact opposite; you're striving to out-smart them, which makes it all the more satisfying. The Spy is the weakest of the classes physically, yet he makes up for it with a slew of cunning tricks that can be essential for the victory of your team. A well timed sapper can provide just enough of a lull in the opponent’s defenses to allow your team to bust through and capture a point. Flanking the entire team’s rush and stabbing their medics can end their offensive before it’s even had time to reach your front lines. Pesky heavies and camping Snipers frequently fall victim to a capable Spy’s blade. And, really, there’s nothing more satisfying in TF2 than backstabbing a Medic/Heavy combo and taking down their 600 combined health with two deft mouse clicks. The Spy is our favorite class for these reasons, and despite his obvious deficiencies he can easily dominate the scoreboards and lead his team to victory. This guide will provide for you a vast understanding of the Spy, and how he works, through the eyes of two very Spy-obsessed individuals. We'll explain in detail in-game scenarios you'll face, how to deal with specific classes, how to think like a spy, how to move like a spy, and so much more. By the end of this guide, you'll be that much closer to turning yourself into a very capable Spy. The next step is taking what you learn here to heart, and thus executing your newly acquired knowledge in-game. Some of you are without doubt hardcore players, and pride yourselves on clan-related matches, and or league matches. Yet, I'm sure even a larger number of you will spend the majority of your time playing in public servers, which is fine. The true difference between the two isn't really a measure of skill. Just because you play in cal, or other such league events doesn't mean you can't be owned by someone in a pub. The difference lies in team coordination. Teamwork is immensely more coordinated in league and clan matches, and as such, the match is more difficult, much more difficult than the sparse coordination displayed in pub matches. In addition, being that league/clan players are experienced, playing with them means that you will have to utilize your Spy strategies to the utmost of precision. There can't be error, however, don't fret. There's a learning curve to the Spy and we're more than willing to start you on that curve. Essentially, league matches are void of noobs; the majority of players there have a fair degree of skill. If you take part in league matches, then you're probably treating the game more as a sport than a simple instrument of fun. What you'll find in public servers is a vast-array of skill, from very good players, to the most horrid. I've said that teamwork is sparse in public matches, this is because each team usually has a handful of people coordinating (usually via mic) to accomplish a task. The other players either go along with their direction, or wander around on their own one-man missions. With that said, in a pub match if your team isn't winning, or can't push through a chokepoint, please realize the fact that this is largely because your team isn't functioning as a single body; which is a key role to TF2 gameplay. In conclusion, this guide will provide for you details, hints, do's and don'ts, strategies, all formed around one of the most unique classes of any first-person-shooter out there; the Spy. It's truly a gaming experience like no other! The information within the premise of this guide will prove beneficial to any and all players, weather you're hardcore or just playing for the pure fun of it. Good luck! ***************************************************************** Index: ======= This guide is divided into 11 sections. They are as follows: To skip directly to a section, click ctrl+F (the find command), then copy and paste the section code into the space provided, make sure to include the brackets []. Then hit search... _________________________________________________________________ •Section 0) Why Spy? (code: [A0]) ----------------------------------------------------------------- :A Pros/Cons list for the Spy, designed to help if you are questioning whether or not to play Spy. _________________________________________________________________ •Section 1) General Outline (code: [A1]) ----------------------------------------------------------------- :A general outline of the Spy’s weapons and statistics. _________________________________________________________________ •Section 2) Disguises (code: [A2]) ----------------------------------------------------------------- :An in-depth take on which disguises to use and which not to _________________________________________________________________ •Section 3) General Do's and Don’ts (code: [A3]) ----------------------------------------------------------------- :A collection of random tips, strategies, and hints applicable to every map _________________________________________________________________ •Section 4) Targets (code: [A4]) ----------------------------------------------------------------- :A detailed list of the best classes to backstab and the worst classes to stab; a class by class assessment. _________________________________________________________________ •Section 5) How to Handle Engineers (code: [A5]) ----------------------------------------------------------------- :Detailed section telling everything a Spy needs to know, and master when dealing with Engineers. _________________________________________________________________ •Section 6) Map Specific Strategies (code: [A6]) ----------------------------------------------------------------- :Detailed write-up of how to handle each of the 6 original maps as a Spy. If the map has attack/defensive sides then each side is discussed with a fair degree of accuracy. _________________________________________________________________ •Section 7) Spy Checking (code: [A7]) ----------------------------------------------------------------- :Detailed section that states everything you need to know when Spy checking. _________________________________________________________________ •Section 8) Quick Tips (code: [A8]) ----------------------------------------------------------------- :The "Sparknotes" of the guide. Contains many tips, facts, and tricks, in a very brief 1-2 sentence description. Ideal for those of you who don't want to read page after page of this guide-- though I highly recommend that you do Note: Much of this section is already revealed throughout the guide in great depth. As I've said it is for those of you that are daunted by the thought of reading... Hence the "sparknotes" reference. _________________________________________________________________ •Section 9) Closing (code: [A9]) ----------------------------------------------------------------- :Closing comments, and a place where we thank those who contribute. In additon, this is a place where one can fine reader comments (comments that we've recieevd via E-mail regarding our guide). Please E-mail us if you've found this guide helpful! :D Thanks _________________________________________________________________ •Section 10) Copyright (code: [A10]) ----------------------------------------------------------------- :Standard copyright for our faq... ================================================================= - - - - - - - Enjoy the Guide! - - - - - - - ***************************************************************** -Section 0) Why Spy? [A0] ----------------------------------------------------------------- This section is designed to reveal the pros and cons of the Spy. If you're pondering whether or not to play Spy, hopefully this section will be insightful, thus leading to a more concise decision. _______________________________________________________________ | Why Spy? | |_______________________________________________________________| | Pros ] [ Cons | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | |-| | |•Backstab is an instant kill | |•Takes a wealth of experience | | |-| to truly be successful, due | |•The revolver is effective at | | to Steeper learning curve. | | long ranges. |-| | | | |•Extremely vulnerable to | |•Can cloak to bypass enemy |-| fire. | | lines. | | | | |-|•Poor against scouts. | |•Far more versatile than most | | | | classes. |-|•The knife when used to | | | | attack the front is weaker | |•Can disable Engineer |-| than every other melee | | structures. | | weapon. | | |-| | |•Can use tele without the glow| |•Oftentimes get caught in | | at his feet when disguised as|-| enemy crossfire. Depending | | an enemy. No other class can | | on the scenario and map. | | avoid this. |-| | | | |•Oftentimes forced to take | |•Fairly quick in movement |-| the roundabout way. | | among the top classes when it| | | | comes to speed, second only |-|•Low health. | | to the Scout. | | | | |-| | |•Only class that has the | | | | option of playing |-| | | independently from the team. | | | | |-| | |•Can gain health from enemy | | | | Medics, Dispensers, and mine |-| | | carts. | | | | |-| | |•Looks amazing in a Tux! | | | |______________________________|-|______________________________| ***************************************************************** -Section 1) General Outline [A1] ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Spy is tied with the Scout and the Engineer for the lowest health available in TF2; placing them at 125 health points each. However, don't let his low health fool you, he's a cunning fellow. He has a slew of weapons and gizmos at his disposal, five in all: the revolver, the sapper, the butterfly knife, the disguise kit, and the cloaking device. A competent Spy must utilize each of these tools effectively. As such, due to the importance of the tools new Spies must work to familiarize themselves with them. You've got to practice everything at hand, it's essential. ** Below is a write up of said weapons, gizmos, and tools. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Revolver: Clip size: 6 Reserved: 24 Total Bullets: 30 The Spy’s primary weapon. It holds six bullets before reload, and the reload time is fairly quick, which comes in handy during the frequent battles you will be having with the shotgun-toting Engineers, who have a very slow reload time in comparison. The Revolver does around 40 damage per shot, so it’s not completely useless, but it's really only useful in taking out the weaker classes: Engineers, Scouts, Medics, and other Spies. When engaged in a firefight with the pistol, it’s best to retreat as you fire, since the Spy’s bullets do the same damage from any range, while the shotgun toting classes have their damage limited by distance, and you will be out of range of the Pyro’s flamethrower. Generally the damage inflicted per shot is about 40-60. A critical hit however, will do about 180 damage per hit. Which kills most classes in one hit. It's also worth noting that the revolver has a very distinctive sound, to the experienced ear, it's a dead give- away. For example anytime that I hear the revolver being fired off, I immediately recognize it, then hunt for and kill the enemy Spy. Usually he is fire fighting a teammate of mine, but now that I too am aware of him, I may as well kill him. Lastly, the Revolver is a surprisingly accurate weapon. At a distance, it can be used to 'snipe' the enemy, as it really is nearly that accurate. You can fair well against classes such as Heavy, Soldier, and even Demoman from afar, due to the fact that their weapons decrease in effectiveness with distance. For example, a barrage of bullets from a trigger happy Heavy spread out with distance. They spread out enough where at a distance, it is nearly a useless weapon. Though, even with this knowledge of the Revolver, it should still primarily be a last resort, as stabbing and sapping are far more crucial to the success of a Spy. This knowledge gives some basis to the idea that if you're caught, you should retreat whilst shooting the enemy with your Revolver. It's accurate, and moving away from the enemy makes them less accurate. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Sapper: For destroying buildings. If you have this selected and approach an enemy building, a white outline of the sapper will appear on top of the nearest one. Clicking applies the sapper, but does not blow your disguise. It does, however, tip off everyone nearby since they will see a supposed friendly unit and a sapped building. Planting and running is the best strategy, unless there’s a nosey Engineer around (we'll talk about how to deal with them in the next section.) Sappers will disable the operation of whatever they are applied to for the duration of the sap, eventually causing the building to blow up. The sappers slowly suck the life from their buildings and they kill teleports and dispensers fairly quickly. Fully powered up sentries take a while and the sappers will usually be destroyed by an Engineer, since most Engineers consider a Tier 3 sentry too valuable a prize to leave undefended. In this case, just reapply the sapper until the sentry dies. The sapper takes health faster than the engineer can repair it, and even if he’s pounding on it with his wrench the whole time you’re sapping it, you’ll kill it eventually. Sapping Times: Below is a list of approximately how long it will take for the sapper to destroy the structure it's attached to. This approximation only considers straight sapping, with no interference. * Sentry Gun o Level 1: 6 seconds o Level 2: 7 seconds o Level 3: 9 seconds * Dispenser / teleporter entrance and exit: 6 seconds To destroy the structure more quickly, once sapped, you can can shoot it with your revolver. Though, typically, to finish off a tier three sentry it will take northward of six bullets. Originally, before more current patches, a Spy could easily destroy a tier three sentry by shooting it once sapped. Now they've made it a slight bit more resistant to revolver fire, particularly while it's sapped. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Butterfly Knife: This is where most of your points will come from. The knife kills most classes in about four stabs from the front, but from the back, side, or even above in some cases it’s a one hit kill. You’re rewarded with two points for a backstab instead of the one for a front stab. Since most of your kills come from backstabs, this can lead to some pretty lofty scores, and a good Spy can dominate the scoreboards by double-digit points if he can knife properly. Obviously, the slower classes like Heavies and Soldiers are easier to stab since they don’t dart around and prevent you from a clear path to their backs, like Medics and Scouts tend to do. Much like the Revolver, backstabbing someone makes then scream in a way that they wouldn't typically do at any point during the game. When I'm a class other than Spy, and I recognize the scream as a teammate behind me gets a knife thrust through his back, I immediately recognize a Spy without thinking twice. As such I quickly turn, and kill said Spy. In general, paying attention to your surroundings helps immensely especially when dealing with enemy Spies. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Cloak: This is key. Knowing when to cloak is the difference between a skilled Spy and an amateur. Right-clicking the mouse will begin the cloak. It takes a moment before you’re completely transparent and enemies can still bump into you. If they do, you will shimmer for a moment and your location will be revealed. This also happens if you take damage, so staying out of the path of the Heavy’s mini-gun or the Pyro’s flames is recommended. The cloak lasts about 10 seconds before the meter is empty and it recharges to full as long as you’re not using it. When invisible, sentries will not shoot at you and changing disguises does not reveal you, so disguising while cloaked is advised. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Disguise Kit: Does what the name implies. You can disguise as either an enemy or friendly class and you will appear to the enemy as such. It takes a moment for a disguise to take effect and a small cloud will appear around you for the duration of the change. Once disguised, using the revolver or knife will take off the disguise, exposing you to sentries or other defenders, so only go for the kill if you a) are spotted and have to fight or b) have an easy backstab. Also, you will appear to the enemy as whichever class you’ve selected carrying its primary weapon (e.g. if you’re a Pyro you’ll have the flamethrower, a Heavy you’ll have the mini-gun, etc). There are essentially a few primary disguises, ones that you will find more useful in more situations. Among these disguises is Pyro, Demoman, Engineer, and Sniper. If you play the part well, even Medic can work... though it's a risky disguise, especially for the inexperienced Spy. As a rule of thumb, anytime you are amongst your team, you should be in a friendly disguise. The point of the Spy is to sneak around unnoticed, it's hard to do this when you've given yourself away early. I suggest that you disguise yourself as a friendly Pyro to deter enemy Spies each time you spawn, then traverse the map as far as you can with a friendly disguise. Once you get to the point where you'll be nearing enemies, cloak, re-disguise as an enemy, then let the mayhem begin. One might ask, why would you use a friendly disguise if the enemy will kill you when they find you, as you are still an enemy to them? Well, it's simple really. If you use a friendly disguise while amongst your team, like a Pyro, when the enemy sees you, they will have intent to kill you, but at the same time, they must consider the risk of your teammates around you. They won't charge in to go after a Pyro because the Heavies and Medics are probably better targets. If however, you were wearing an enemy disguise, and they spotted you running with your team, they'd notify their team of your whereabouts, where you're headed, and what you're disguised as. You've already lessened your chances of success exponentially based on the fact that the enemy is aware of you. Conversely if you had just stuck to the friendly disguise, you could have made a disappearing act, and once you reappeared you'd already be disguised as a new class, even the enemy. Another useful purpose in using friendly disguises is that the enemy won't suspect you as being a Spy, they will believe your disguise. If you're disguised as a friendly Pyro, enemy Spies will likely avoid you, given the threat that Pyros pose to Spies. On that same note, if the enemy was trying to kill you, and you were disguised as a friendly class, say a Pyro, you could round a corner, and cloak. If they didn't see you cloak, they will have no idea that you cloaked, and they will still be looking for a Pyro. This works because cloaking is not a property of a Pyro, so the enemy wouldn't expect one to do so. Once they've realized that you may have cloaked, that you were actually a Spy, assuming they realized at all, it's too late for them, because you are either far from them, or have already backstabbed them. Seeing as how the golden rule of Spying is staying hidden from the enemy, setup-time is no exception. Some Spies will go to the enemy's gates during setup-time, and start taunting. I find this to be ridiculously foolish, because now the enemy is aware of said Spy. They will anticipate him, and could counter him. If the enemy is aware of the Spy, they will anticipate his antics. He may not prove as successful to a knowing enemy. For example, the enemy may attempt countering you with Pyro, waiting for you to make your move, then burning you alive. However, if you were disguised as a friendly Pyro, then you would be no different than the countless teammates around you who are waiting for the gates to open. Once the time nears zero, you can easily hide behind any number of things, cloak, re-disguise, then de-cloak in a more opportune position so that you're well placed for the opening doors. The underlying idea here is that you don't want the enemy to be aware of your presence at any point in time as a Spy. In the end, a Spy must master coordination between both his cloaking, and his disguises. Mastering these two tools truly sets the bar for an amateur Spy and a skilled Spy. Knowing when to cloak is as we've stated before "key." Furthering that, using disguises effectively out of cloak, is equally as important. **The following are unique properties regarding the Disguise Kit: ----------------------------------------------------------------- • Every single time a disguise is deployed, so to does the Spy's health change to the enemy. The health that the enemy can see is not. Typically, this random, fake health status is anywhere from half-health to full-health, it's not always half-health like many once believed. If you disguise as a Pyro, you may appear to have half-health to the enemy. In that same life, one could disguise as a Demoman, as such, your health shown would once again randomize. This time, you may have three quarters health the enemy. Though a Spy never knows how much health he is displaying, it's important to know that it changes each time the disguise does. That way, people may be thrown off when chasing a Spy disguised as a Demoman with half-health, when they find the same Spy newly disguised as a Pyro with near full health. It's a subtlety but changing your disguise frequently, especially once spotted, is hugely important to the success of a Spy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- • While in an enemy disguise, one can gain health from dispensers, mine carts, and potentially enemy Medics. ----------------------------------------------------------------- • While in an enemy disguise, sentries will not target you. As they will recognize you as a member of their team. ----------------------------------------------------------------- • It takes a few seconds for a new disguise to take effect, during this time, a cloud is visible around you. This "cloud" can easily give you away to the enemy, as it draws attention to the eye. It is best to disguise while cloaked, as it avoids the "cloud" like effect. Here's another subtley that will help one know when the disguise has taken full effect. When one deploys a disguise, a white outline of the Spy shrinks to the lower left hand corner of the screen, shrinking to the HUD. Once this has happened, and the two pictures in the bottom are the Spy, and which ever class you disguised as; you're good to go. ----------------------------------------------------------------- • Once disguised, bumping into the enemy is an immediate indication to them that you aren’t one of them. So avoid being "bumped" into at all costs. ----------------------------------------------------------------- • When taking on a disguise, the Spy's actual speed changes to reflect the class he's disguising as. This means, that if you disguised as a Heavy, not only would you look like one to the enemy, but you'd move as slowly as one too. However, if you disguise yourself as a class that's faster than the Spy, that being the Scout, you're speed won't increase. If one disguised as a scout, to the enemy, they'd look like a really slow moving Scout, which is a dead give away. ----------------------------------------------------------------- • Spies do not show pain. If an enemy was to shoot you, your health would not change to reflect that, at least, not from their point-of-view. If you continued with what you were doing, there is no way for them to tell if you've been injured. Sometimes pretending that you haven't been shot will make the enemy believe your disguise. ----------------------------------------------------------------- • While disguised as a friendly class, one can still assist in capturing a point, without letting onto the enemies that they're a Spy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- **More on disguise specifics in the next section of the guide... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ***************************************************************** -Section 2) Disguises [A2] ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- =========[Your best disguise options are as follows]============= -Pyro The Pyro is probably the single best disguise ever. Why? Simple… The Pyro is a trademark anti-Spy character, and is also short-ranged. Because Pyros hunt spies, they are known to randomly wander about, having no concrete order of gameplay. In addition, because they are short-ranged, they rarely attempt attacking enemies at a distance; which means there is little suspicion of you if you aren't shooting at an enemy that would otherwise normally by out of reach for a Pyro. Oftentimes you won't be noticed, being that it’s not so suspicious of a Pyro to be anywhere and everywhere. As stated above, the Pyro is short-ranged, and as such he won't attract as much attention for not shooting constantly. Conversely, if you imitate a Heavy or Soldier, it is likely that the enemy can tell that you’re a Spy based on the fact that you aren’t shooting. Also, you aren't slowed down at all in this disguise. Note: Posing as a friendly Pyro (a Pyro of your team color) is also an incredibly effective way of scaring off, and dealing with enemy Spies. This is so for a few reasons. One, as you'll see later in this guide Pyros are the worst target for a Spy, and should be avoided at all costs. With that said, the enemy Spy will more than likely try to avoid you, this is good because if you are looking for an enemy Spy, and you notice that one of your own is avoiding you, cough, Spy. Now you can have a revolver duel, alert others, or attempt stabbing him to death. If you are really daring you could attempt all three at once! ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Engineer The engineer is one of the best disguises to take out sentries, being that it is typical of an engineer to stick near his sentry and dispenser. Sap first then stab (sapping is explained in greater depth in the target section). Sadly, the engineer is a highly suspected disguise; this is thanks to the fact that too many spies are uncreative and think there's no other way to deal with sentries than to take on this disguise. Pyros will constantly check engineer's above all else. Note: You can immediately determine whether or not an Engineer is an enemy Spy based on whether or not the Engineer is holding his wrench, or shotty. A Spy as an Engineer would be holding his primary weapon, the Shotty, where as most every Engineer wields his wrench as his weapon of choice. At a glance, if the Engineer has a wrench or pistol in hand, you know for sure he's not a Spy. This is important because too many noobs spy-check everyone, pay attention to detail... ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Demoman The Demoman is among the best in-between disguises. It's not highly expected, and it won't slow the movement of the spy. Still, if the Demoman is seen wandering in a fashion unlike a Demoman it's obvious to the enemy that you're a Spy so, be careful. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Sniper The Sniper disguise is good when you are in the appropriate place. If you are in a particular part of a map in which Snipers dwell, then props to you. Stab them Snipers! Otherwise this class is suspicious. Note: When posing as a Sniper, to avoid suspicion be aware of your surroundings, have a target in mind, and act interested in your team. Act as though they (your team) are a dynamic worry to you, strafe back-and-forth looking in the direction of your team, especially when enemies are present. As soon as a target is within range, or when the moments right, break from the act and assassinate. Note: When posing as a Sniper, you cannot bring the Sniper rifle to a zoomed state, holding it to your face, because that's a property that only the Sniping class has. Being that you aren't a Sniper, don't have a sniper rifle, you can't ever look to be looking in the scope. As such, you can expect that a Spy disguised as a Sniper will be holding the sniper rifle lower. It doesn't make a huge difference, because a good Sniper isn't always behind his scope, as it narrows his vision. ----------------------------------------------------------------- =========[Your worst disguise options are as follows]============ -Heavy You're a huge target. Most people realize whether or not their team has a Heavy, they are a class that demands attention, whether they mean to or not. Part of the reason that a Heavy is a dead give away is the fact that they are so huge. People pay attention to you more. Not to mention that a Heavy is always situated on the front line, and is always firing away. Seeing as how you can’t shoot, you’d be a dead giveaway. Also, it’s worth noting that disguising as a Heavy will not help to kill Medics, being that you are slow moving now. Note: Most Medics know exactly how a Heavy (or anyone they are healing) should act, and deviating from that known way of acting only causes suspicion. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Scout As a Scout your speed doesn't increase. It's obvious to the enemy that you're not a Scout, because you appear slow moving to them. In addition, Scouts are frantic bastards and double jump like there’s no tomorrow. Surely a Spy can't perform as such. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Soldier This is surprisingly the slowest moving character in the game, though; his gun makes him more maneuverable than the Heavy. While the Heavy shoots he hardly moves, and it is hard for him to turn quickly, making him a target for Snipers, and spies alike. Your lessened speed and the fact that you aren't constantly jumping and rocketing is a clear sign to all that you are a Spy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Medics Medics are the WORST possible disguise. Why you ask, because they are constantly being demanded upon by their team, and as such you will have the enemy following you around, all the while begging to be healed. Because a real medic is always healing, and the fact that you can't is a dead give-away. The point of being a Spy is to bring the least amount of attention your way, and unfortunately Medics receive an exorbitant amount. Note: Another factor that contributes to the downfall of this disguise is the fact that when the enemy aims at you there is no ubercharge percentage. Typically, when you look at a medic that is on your team, you’d see an ubercharge percentage. Yet another indication and dead give away that you're a spy. Note: An experienced player will know that a Spy's physical appearance when taking on this disguise includes that he is holding his primary weapon (which is the case for every disguise); the syringe-gun. Typically, Medics are seen wielding their medi-gun, and as such anytime a Medic is seen wandering about with his syringe-gun it's worth Spy-checking him. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Spy In the beginning, early in TF2's release, the Spy was a good disguise. At this point in time however, specific details point out the flaw of this disguise. Firstly, when disguised as a Spy, you don't have a cardboard cut-out mask on your face. This means that from the enemy's point-of-view, they see you, an apparent ally Spy, who has for whatever reason decided to walk around without a disguise on. To the trained eye this is an immediate indication that you're an enemy spy. Secondly, wandering around the enemy's base, without the cover of a mask is an immediate suspicion as they'd expect to at least see you wandering the other teams base (your team), not their own. After all, how often do you as a Spy wander around your own base with no mask on? -- Good response, you never do. Note: When disguised, a cardboard cut-out mask is on your face, Only visible to your teammates, the mask represents the class that you are disguised as. However, when you disguise as a spy the enemy sees you as a spy without the cut-out mask on. It can be a dead give away to the trained eye. ***************************************************************** -Section 3) General Do's and Don’ts [A3] ----------------------------------------------------------------- While each map has specific strategies that work best, there are some basic techniques that are applicable to all stages, both offense and defense. This section lists some Do's and Don'ts and strategies. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1) DON’T attempt to get into firefights unless absolutely necessary. You have too little health for that kind of exercise and most every other gun in the game is more powerful than yours. The only classes that you have a chance of killing consistently are Spies, Medics, Scouts (if you can hit them), Demomen (if you can avoid their splash damaging explosives)and Engineers. Though, Engineers they are usually guarded by their allies or sentries, since most Engineers camp nearby their teams spawn points; especially late game. Note: Surprisingly a good medic will often times out-gun you, based on the fact that their Syringe gun has a much better rate of fire than the Spy's revolver. Though, the revolver is stronger than the syringe-gun per shot. A Medic will especially have an advantage over you with the Blutsauger (the new syringe gun) equipped. It vamps 3 health from you and gives it to them each and every time you get hit. Trust me, this syringes come out very quickly, and if the Medic is good, he'll be able to aim them very well-- even at exceedingly long distances. Good Medics have been known to take out Sentries, and Dispensers from afar, even at angles a Soldier could never dream of, thanks to the arc of that the Syringe gun provides. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 2) DON’T run toward the enemy unless you’re cloaked. Even if you are disguised as them, the fact that a supposed teammate is running at them is a dead giveaway that you are a Spy and they will kill you. Cloak, get BEHIND their lines, then stab away. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 3) As an addendum to Number 2, the disguise can be pretty much worthless for fooling the other team if you fail to act appropriately. All but beginners have learned to be suspicious of everyone, and will shoot every teammate enough times to kill a disguised Spy. Be especially weary of Pyros, since being set on fire does not disappear when cloaked. In fact, steering clear of Pyros altogether is a good idea, unless they are set up for the perfect stab. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4) You should always be in disguise! If you're spotted, you should act quickly to either start killing, or cloak/ re-disguise, then scamper off, then return and continue to harass the enemy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 5) The best way to get backstabs is to cloak right before you get to the point in the map where the teams are clashing, then run back to a safe point behind their lines where you can de-cloak and ‘join’ their team for the fight. Often times this takes agility to avoid the firefight on the front lines, but if you can juke your way around the flying grenades, rockets, and Heavy bullets, there can often be bountiful rewards awaiting your knife-wielding hands. Be careful there are no Engineers around, since they like to hang out near the rear. Usually, if you see the Medics run by that means the whole line has passed, since Medics typically run behind everyone with their beam on a Heavy or Soldier. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 6) DO stab their Medics first. They are crucial to any offensive push, especially if they can get their Ubercharge. Killing them makes a brief retreat/heal or Uber-rush for the other team impossible, effectively ending their rush and allowing your team to pick off the attackers. I list the order of priority to stab at 1) Medics 2) Heavies (since it’s really easy) 3) Soldiers 4) Demomen 5) Everyone else. Obviously, killing Engineers is important, too, but they are rarely on the front lines and can be dealt with separately. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 7) Accept the fact that as a Spy, YOU WILL DIE A LOT. Spies are weak, sapping sentries is often a suicide mission, and sometimes their front line is so full of people and firepower that sneaking by is impossible. Just suck it up, re-spawn, and go back at them. There’s a reason you get twice as many points for a backstab, since you probably die twice as much as other classes just getting into the position to get one. But oh, how sweet they are. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8) Plan proactively. If you can see your team has a capture well in hand, try to sneak onto the next point for an easy capture before the enemy can get its defenses up. This works great on the final points on Granary and Well since they capture really fast and you can almost always get the point before they can stop you. Then you can rush into their spawn before your team can get there and steal all the juicy free kills. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 9) Don’t get greedy with sapping. When you put a sapper on something, be sure you can get away cleanly unless you’re just trying to get a sentry and dying is expected. If there are four enemies with their backs to you and an enemy teleport nearby, LEAVE IT ALONE. If the Engineer is nearby, he’ll announce that he’s being sapped and his team will raise hell looking for you. Besides, killing the enemy troops is worth more points, and is usually better for your team, especially if there're Medics in the bunch. More on Engineers and Sentries later... ----------------------------------------------------------------- 10) Originally, Spies were unable to use teles due to the fact that it would leave a glow at their feet-- giving them away to the entire enemy team. This pixie dust like glow effect lasted long enough where if the Spy had just walked instead of using the tele, he'd probably get to the target destination around the same time the pixie dust effects would have worn off. This means that it made sense for the Spy to ignore the tele, thus taking the roundabout path instead. Thankfully however, Valve has changed tele and Spy properties in a more current update, changing the "glow" like attributes. Now a Spy can use a tele safely without the glow at his feet. The catch is, the Spy must be disguised as the enemy for this to take effect. If the Spy is disguised as anything aside for the enemy, he will still show the pixie glow at his feet. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 11) The true skill that comes into play while playing Spy is speed. The only time you should sit still, if ever, is to recharge your cloaking, and that's only if you are in a very secure spot. Otherwise, constantly change your disguise after being spotted, and while cloaked might I add. Spies are hunters; sometimes they let their prey come to them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 12) As a Spy, you have to avoid your own team when passing a choke point, no not because you are afraid to be seen with your team in an enemy disguise (giving away the fact that you're a Spy), as you can easily cloak and sneak away. The problem is that when you move with your team, even whilst invisible, you'll likely be shot in the crossfire and often times killed. For example, if your team goes to point A, go to point B. Or, if they go to point A go to point B and make your way to point A. Take the most convoluted way possible, and kill everyone along the way. As stated before, while with your team, or on your side of the map, use a friendly disguise until you get close enough to the enemy where you cloak, re-disguise, and sneak off. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 13) Don't worry about what classes the enemy team has when it comes to deciding upon a disguise (unless it’s a very small game). The enemy is usually too busy running about and won’t notice what their entire team is comprised of. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 14) Also, be on the lookout for enemy Spies, they are up to the same things that you are, so expect what they're up to before they even know what they're doing. There is nothing like out- spying a Spy. Keep track of enemy Spy movement especially after having breached the enemy’s side of the map. Oftentimes you’ll see an enemy Spy take on a disguise in plain site. Also, if you want to hunt enemy Spies who are plaguing your team, one good strategy is to disguise yourself as a Pyro of your own team. Spies usually fear Pyros, and don’t attempt stabbing them. This will usually give you an edge over enemy spies. Make sure to watch for typical de-cloaking areas that you would use as a Spy to catch their Spies in the act. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 15) If you're chasing down an enemy, and can't catch up, gun them down. The revolver isn't the most powerful weapon, but if used correctly (and by all means this is correctly), there are many scenarios in which it can prove effective. Though, must I remind you that as a Spy your primary focus should be that of your knife. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 16) Sometimes you’ll be caught in a scenario where you’ll have no choice but to pass straight by an enemy who will soon hopefully walk right by you without suspicion. A few tips will aid you in doing so with little suspicion. Firstly, don’t look straight at them, look straight ahead. Don’t act like you’re afraid of them, try to act natural, so in this case no backing off then proceeding forward again. At the very instant that you're about to pass by each other, turn to them very quickly and stab their side. If your stab lands on their side near enough their back, it's a one-hit-wonder (which will usually be the case in this scenario). This is such a satisfying way of dealing with the enemy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 17) When cloaking/de-cloaking always do so out of enemy site, and give the cloaking/de-cloaking process time to complete before you run out of cover. Many Spies don’t realize that when they de-cloak, they appear differently to the enemy, it takes about two seconds to fully de-cloak for them to look like their disguise. Otherwise they will be half translucent for a few moments, and then their cover is blown. The same issue is involved with cloaking. If you cloak and immediately try to run by enemies they will see you for a second, shoot in the area that you were headed, causing you to become slightly visible, and continue to shoot you. Heavies will do this all the time, if they are shooting and clip a Spy, they will follow the invisible Spy based on the translucent figure they saw when they hit you. Usually a Heavy will finish you like this, which is very annoying. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 18) Sometimes people like to rely on hard facts to consider how they might go about playing. For example, many people would say never get in a fire fight with a Spy because his revolver is among the weakest weapons in the game, and the Spy also has little health in comparison to other classes. Though, those people fail to take into consideration the obvious. Often times when you use the revolver, the enemy will not expect it. If the enemy isn’t aware of you to begin with you’ll easily land multiple hits, (usually enough to kill) before they even have time to react. So, stats aside, it’s still a handy weapon, when used accordingly. Note: When dealing with the Heavy, Soldier, and any other class with a considerable amount of health use the revolver as a last- ditch effort, seeing as how they won't go down easily. In fact, you're better off fleeing said classes rather than engaging in a fire-fight with them. NOTE: Generally speaking, the Revolver should only be used when a backstab is not possible. Say for example you are chasing someone. Sometimes you simply can't catch up. As such, pulling out the revolver and landing a few slugs in their back could very well kill them, however, if you fail to land the hits, you've blown your cover. Oftentimes it's better to avoid making yourself known to the enemy. Simply put, don't blow your cover if you don't have to. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 19) Furthering #18, in some cases you’ll be forced to use your revolver because you’ve run out of cloak and the enemy has already fired a few shots at you. Just take your time, and strafe to avoid their fire. One strategy I’ve found to increase accuracy when the enemy is wildly moving about is actually to let strafing act as a sort of aiming. Once you’ve got your crosshair on the same level as the enemy, for example, on the same level as the body, strafe in whichever direction the enemy is moving, to line-up your shot on them. For example, an Engineer is running back and forth firing off shotty rounds at you, sometimes simply aiming can work great, but it’s also easy to miss, and you only have six shots. Move your crosshair so that when you strafe to the left or right it will fall upon the enemy; once you lineup with the enemy; fire. Sounds odd, but it works incredibly well. Why would you do this? Well, seeing as how you’re adding strafing as a way of lining up your shot, you’re increasing the difficulty for your enemy to hit you. Try it out, practice. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 20) Walking backwards towards your enemy ("retreating to them") can sometimes be one of the most discrete ways of sneaking amongst enemy ranks. Though, abusing your option of doing so could manifest a growing suspicion of you in the eyes of your enemy. Walking backwards is usually done when you are running out of cloak in, or amongst enemy ranks, and it's always done when your team is present so it appears as if you are concerned with them. For example, one time I was running out of cloak, so I quickly looked for a spot to de-cloak, which in this case was on the other side of some rather large crate. After de-cloaking I quickly left my position joining nearby-by enemy forces (which were within my relative vicinity). I decided to face where the choke point was (thus facing my team) and I evasively backed off. This is effective because moving like the enemy makes you appear more believable in their eyes. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes backing up can be risky, here are a few tips: ----------------------------------------------------- A. Try to avoid bumping into an enemy while backing- up. This is an immediate give away to most every enemy. ----------------------------------------------------- B. It's also useful to appear as if you are fearful of your own team. For example, if they are launching rockets at near-by enemies, you should dodge your own teams rockets, and other such gun fire. Again, if the enemy sees you dodging rockets, and other firepower, they'll be more likely to believe that you're one of them. ----------------------------------------------------- C. Don't walk backwards in areas where it wouldn't make sense to do so. For example, once you are far from a choke point you'd tend to assume that there aren't many enemies near-by, so walking backwards and darting around as if to be afraid of your own team that is across the map looks incredibly suspicious. I've seen some foolish Spies do this before. The outcome is death. ----------------------------------------------------- D. Getting caught in crossfire is the leading cause of death. Which for whatever reason is usually a rocket to your face. Attempt avoiding crossfire to the best of your ability. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 21) Once you're behind a bunch of enemies who are all facing away from you, there is a certain way that you should go about stabbing them. Try to stab each enemy in succession from closest to furthest enemy from you. That way each enemy that you kill will be taken out outside the visual scope of the enemies in front of them, granting you the option of stabbing them next. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 22) This may be a bit obvious, but, generally speaking, it's a good idea to disguise as a class that you've just killed. For example, if you kill a Sniper, hide, disguise as a Sniper, then return the area in which you killed the Sniper. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ***************************************************************** -Section 4) Targets (Who and who not to stab) [A4] ----------------------------------------------------------------- =======================[Best Targets]============================ Despite the fact that every enemy is a target, there are certain classes that should be targeted more so than others, here is that list, allow me to explain… ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Heavy: Due to the Heavies slow movement, large figure, and the fact that he is a huge threat to your team, Heavies are probably the most satisfying targets to take out with one swift stab to the back. Due to the nature of the Heavy, they are almost always firing their gun when on the front lines. Make sure to avoid being struck in the crossfire. If you managed to get shot, you're cloaking will shimmer to the enemy, giving away your position. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Medics: Hunting Medics is often times critical in keeping the enemy from advancing. Anytime you kill a Medic you are shutting-out the enemy's opportunity of ubercharging and pushing. With that said, you can save your team quite a bit of trouble taking them out. Here’s the problem with hunting Medics… A good Medic knows enough to keep his ass in constant motion while healing, so, they move randomly, and often times spin around. If you can’t backstab the Medic easily or, you miss, forget it and hurry to whomever they are healing, which is usually either a Heavy or a Soldier, and backstab them instead. As I've stated, you'll oftentimes find a good Medic to be very difficult to take out, they are o'so aware of spies. Half the time you attempt to kill one, or, even much of the time that you manage to kill the person they were healing, they will hunt you down and slice you with their bonesaw. Talk about terrifying and if that's not bad, you can expect to die too many times to a bombardment of syringes. So despite the fact that Medics are crucial targets, a competent Medic is very difficult. The verdict: You're goal should always be to kill enemy Medics, as they are hugely important to team support. Go for the stabbing if the opportunity arises. If you miss the Medic while stabbing, you should either A) Stealth, then retreat. or. B) Back-stab the next closest enemy, which will typically be the person the enemy Medic had been healing. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Snipers: What better target than a Sniper? Snipers are usually a great distance from your team situated in some perch, or, at the very least, are looking through their scope somewhere far-off completely unaware of their surroundings. Often times if you find one Sniper, you find two or three more (which is often times the case if 2fort), Happy stabbings! ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Engineers (and all that they create): *** See the below section; "HOW TO HANDLE ENGINEERS" *** ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Demoman: The Demoman can oftentimes be a great target because they typically play defensively, setting up sticky bombs and waiting for the helpless to pass by them. As such he'll be waiting nearby, carefully eyeing his stickies. Waiting comes in a few ways for a Demoman. Either he will be crouched somewhere eyeing his stickies, or he'll be frantically moving around an area within visual range of his stickies (The ladder half being the more difficult to take out). Because of this, they can be great targets. The only time they can be a pain is in the above case where they may move about in a frantic, erratic way. Also, if they do see you, they can on occasion be easy to deal with even if they are shooting at you from point-blank range, this is because they don't rely on sheer impact but explosions to kill their enemies. Up-close, a smart Demoman will resort to beating you with his bottle, in which case, good luck! ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Soldier: The soldier is another great target, and can easily be backstabbed due to his cumbersome nature. You better make sure he doesn't see you coming, if he does, you may be greeted with a rocket; which Upon impact you will blow you to pieces. It's a risky class to deal with, because of the fact that their rockets are so lethal to the Spy. If you fail to backstab a soldier and thus reveal yourself to him, don't expect to make it away alive. That point can prove true to most classes, missing a backstab will usually result in death. Also, another almost comical situation that you may face when dealing with a Soldier is getting blown up when he is innocently rocket-jumping somewhere. It happens, the splash damage is enough to kill the Spy, watch out! ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Spy: Surprisingly, Spy vs. Spy can be quite effective. Though one must take a different approach in dealing with Spies. Don't go looking high and low for the enemy Spies, just keep your eyes open, and check your teammates by attempting to walk through them. Oftentimes once on the enemy's turf, you'll see their Spies leave spawn and take on a disguise. You can chase them and stab them, which can become really easy depending on the disguise they choose seeing as how some disguises hinder the Spy's overall speed. If you can't catch up, you may consider dueling the enemy Spy with your revolver, may the better Spy win! For the record, more typically Spies are a class that you kill when they happen to cross paths with you, you don't go looking for them. You might see a supposed teammate acting suspicious, good kill him, stab him in the back he's a spy. You may also witness that Spy break disguise and start backstabbing your teammates, again, stab him in the back. As far as your overall desired targets, enemy Spies should not be a primary focus, but rather a spur of the moment one. With that said, if while in the enemy's base you see a Spy take on a disguise, or if you see a disguised Spy (which is easy to spot seeing as how they are probably disguised as your team's color, and aren't getting shot at by your enemy around them) I'd usually recommend ignoring him, continuing on with bigger, better things. Note: It'll become pretty simple to spot enemy Spies once you learn what to look for. On occasion, your team may cry out that a particular Spy is giving them a great deal of trouble, also, said Spy may focus on the same area time and time again upon re-spawning. In said scenario, it's always nice to help out your team, this can be done in a multitude of ways. You could hideout waiting for the Spy to come to you. You could attempt deterring the enemy Spy by disguising as a friendly Pyro, as such they will be more timid upon approach. Also, being that you're goal is to take out an enemy Spy, think outside the box. Think about how you would play Spy if you were on the opposing team. If you know the map, you'll know specific routes that good Spies will use often, in addition, you'll be aware of many other map specific tactics that Spies have at their disposal. There is nothing better than out- smarting a rival Spy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Stabbing aside, the following are also key targets that a Spy must consider... -Tele-Entrance: It is worth noting that the easiest target is a tele entrance, based on the fact that nothing is around to protect it but that of enemies who re-spawn near them. -Sentry Gun: The Spy is unique in that he is the only class in the game capable of disabling Engineer structures. He is oftentimes key in handling enemy Sentries. A well placed Sentry, in combination with a pressuring enemy opposition can more than cripple your team. Taking out these bad boys will definitely aid your team immensely. -Dispenser: Taking out dispensers is also very important because they provide Engineers with more metal with which to repair their things. In addition, they heal the enemy, and replenish their ammo supply. It's very important to take these out. -Tele-Exit: Oftentimes these are located near an Engineer's dispenser and sentry. If this is not the case, then they are placed in a discrete place that is really not to difficult to spot. These are fairly simple to take out, as the sapper finishes them off before most Engineers have time to save them. *Make sure to check out the Engineer specific section later in the guide. ----------------------------------------------------------------- =======================[Worst Targets]=========================== -Pyro: Enemy Pyros are a Spy’s greatest fear, and will cause the most aggravation. This is because Pyros tend to spray their fire randomly, and all too often in that random spraying they will singe you and catch you ablaze. Once you are on fire, you are tagged to the entire enemy team. Now they can all see that you're a Spy. usually, If you walk into a Pyro, even for a second, they burn you to death, so avoid them above all else. Also, probably the most aggravating of all is the fact that they help baby-sit sentry guns and dispensers with the Engineers; making it very difficult for a Spy to do any real damage, though, on occasion, a Spy can still be successful in sapping and destroying things even in the presence of a Pyro. Messing with an enemy Pyro will almost always result in being burned to death. If you're on fire, can't escape for health (which stops you from burning), and can't jump into water, then don't go down without a fight. Sap stuff, stab people, go out and take the entire world with you. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Scout: Sure Scouts are typically thought of as weak, and puny, this maybe so through the eyes of a hulking Heavy, or a psychotic rocket-wielding Soldier. However, from a Spy's point-of-view, Scouts can be devastating. Most Spies probably have nightmares of their rapidly swinging bat. The reason Scouts are so deadly to Spies is as follows. First of all they are so fast. When you turn corners while cloaked a Scout might come out of nowhere and run into you, in this case you are almost always dead. You've been discovered... They will run around shooting their scatter gun and pummeling the air with their bat, covering far more area than you at a much more quicker rate. If you run out of cloak, forget it, back stabbing, or at the very least, stabbing them to death is very difficult, and unless you are dead-on with the revolver, expect to see that bat finding its way to your face! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ***************************************************************** -Section 5) HOW TO HANDLE ENGINEERS [A5] ----------------------------------------------------------------- As a Spy, you'll spend a great deal of time taking out both Engineers, and their establishments. The following is a list of many of, if not all of the possible scenarios you'll experience in dealing with them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Before I begin, I decided to add a few general pointers when dealing with Engineers. • Generally speaking, in most scenarios, it's safer to stab the Engineer, then sap his establishment. • If you backstab the Engineer whilst he is behind a tier three Sentry, you'll actually be able to follow up with a sapper to the sentry if you move very quickly. However, speed isn't the only factor at hand. Typically, it's best to move around the sentry a slight bit, dodging the revolving turret before sapping. This works very well, you just have to follow the motion of the turret. You can actually move around the turret just as fast, if not faster, as it can turn to face you. Which means so long as you don't mess-up, you'll be able to sap it. This is probably one of the flashiest things a Spy can do. Practice. • Another useful tip deals with enemy dispensers. Pay attention to enemy dispenser location, with relation to that particular Engineer's Sentry. More often than not, an Engineer will build both his dispenser and Sentry in close proximity to one another. You can actually use this to your advantage. In some scenarios you may stab the Engineer and not have time to deal with his tier three sentry. You can avoid the sentry entirely by hiding behind the dispenser. A sentry built by Engineer "A" can not shoot through a dispenser built by said Engineer. It acts as sort of barrier, the sentry can't even see you once you duck behind it. Use this to your advantage. Be careful though, if the dispenser you hide behind is made by a different Engineer than the one who made the sentry, the sentry will target and shoot you through the dispenser. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Sometimes you’ll find that an Engineer has left his establishment unattended, in which case sap everything in sight. Though, most Engineers are smart enough to baby-sit sit their sentry gun, dispenser, and usually a tele exit. So, it’s not always this simple. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 2.) When they are camping their sentry gun and dispenser take note of a few things. Firstly, where is the dispenser in relation to them? Usually they crouch with their sentry gun to their front and their dispenser to their rear. Secondly, where are you in relation to your target Engineer? If you come at the Engineer from the front, and he can see you, even in disguise, he will suspect that you’re a Spy, and will greet you with a few shotty rounds or a pleasant smack of the wrench to your face. So it’s imperative to cloak and get by the target Engineer, then de-cloak in a safe place. Now, coming from a natural place, approach the Engineer. Usually, approaching from behind yields the best results being that you have the element of surprise on your side. If this is the case, you have a few options. ----------------------------------------------------- A. Sap everything near the Engineer and attempt to stab him.(Sometimes risky because he could repair the sentry just as you stab him and you’ll probably die. Though, sometimes you can get a clean stab at his back.) ----------------------------------------------------- B. Backstab the unsuspecting Engineer then immediately sap the sentry followed by the dispenser.(which is the most risky thing to do with a tier 3 sentry as it could turn and kill you faster than you can sap it). To avoid being shot by the sentry, as stated above, you can move around it as it rotates towards you. If you dodge toe turret effectively enough, you'll be able to sap it with no problem. ----------------------------------------------------- C. Sap everything, then strafe like mad re-sapping as the Engineer knocks off your sappers. keeping the Engineer as busy as possible is key. During this sap-fest, if the moment presents itself, backstab the Engineer. If not, continue to re-sap, while attempting to kill the Engineer. Overwhelming the Engineer is always advised. (You might use C when an Engineer builds his things in such a way that his back is to a wall and he can’t be backstabbed. Which is often times the case for certain areas of many maps. Usually in said scenario the Engineer will be sitting on top of his dispenser, which is against the corner of a room.) Conversely, if he is atop his dispenser, and his back is to the wall you can use his Sentry gun as a step stool to get on top of the Engineer. Though, to do this, you must be cloaked, otherwise the Engineer will be aware of you. Once you get on top of the engineer, crouch, and stab downwards nearest his back, this should result in a backstab. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 3.) The Engineer is building a sentry. Approach him from behind making sure that his sentry is facing AWAY from you, backstab him, and then IMMEDIATELY sap the sentry. It’s not worth making it known to the Engineer that you are there. So sometimes stabbing first is the way to go, and can save you the pain of being beat to death by an angry wrench-wielding yellow-helmeted Engineer... Ultimately, I ALWAYS recommend you stab them in the back first, so long as you are directly behind the sentry-- it is key that the sentry is facing away from you, you'll be able to stab then sap before it can fully turn to you. This grows increasingly more risky as the sentry advances in tech level. Stab-sapping is generally made easier when you strafe around the turret, attempting to avoid the revolving sentry so to provide you the opportunity to sap it. You'll find this useful with tier three sentries, try it out, experiment... Note: This works on each level sentry, though the risk increases as the sentry advances. For example, if you backstab the Engineer then fail to sap his tier 3 sentry before it turns to shoot you; you're more than likely dead. Speed is everything here. Note: This becomes more difficult to pull off when an Engineer is sandwiched between a dispenser and his sentry, because in this case, usually you can't situate yourself directly behind the sentry unless you are sitting atop his dispenser, then stab, then sap. Try backstabbing the Engineer, then very quickly back of seeking cover behind his dispenser. Note: If a sentry turned fast enough to shoot you... you can take quite a few hits from a tier 1 sentry before you die. So you have time to approach it and sap, even from the front. A Tier 2 sentry is more deadly, but still if you get clipped you'll survive plenty long enough to sap it. Finally, as I've mentioned, if a tier 3 sentry turns quickly enough to fire at you the rocket pods will kill you in one strike. Note: #3 is absolutely the way to go in handling Engineers in sudden-death mode. It's especially helpful in this scenario because so long as you backstab the Engineer so to do you destroy their establishment. So in this case you don't have to worry about which way the their sentry is facing, but rather you want to make sure that if you attempt striking them in the back, don't miss. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4.) Sometimes you will find a sentry and dispenser off to the side, with no protection, but you know an Engineer is near enough that he can get there in time to halt your sapping. The best thing to do in such a scenario is to shoot whatever it is that you sapped with your revolver, thus blowing your cover. This is the smartest thing a Spy can do given the situation and scenario. While something is sapped it is loosing health rapidly, and sometimes not quickly enough for it to die before the aid of a near-by Engineer, so shooting the target, while sapped will surely get the job done. This strategy is usually done when no one is around to kill you when you come out of your disguise. Though, it is also sometimes a last-ditch effort to ensure that a sentry dies before you die. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 5.) The last word of advice I have for you is how to deal with one of those smartass Engineers who figures out how to get to an area that is typically out of reach, thus making sapping impossible. Seeing as how you can get behind enemy lines fairly easily as a Spy, position yourself in or near the enemies base, the best place being a somewhat secluded area. Then, shoot the dispenser with your revolver, it may not seem so accurate, but you'll soon see the dispenser smoking, and catch ablaze. It only takes a few shots from even quite a distance to take out a dispenser; taking out the sentry is next on the list. Fire away at the sentry, it will take a clip or two, so between 6 and 12 bullets to kill a tier 3 sentry. Note: Always use #5 when dealing with an Engineer who is too difficult to take out, for whatever reason (it could be that he has Pyros protecting him). Make sure to position yourself outside the sentry's range. Note: The last thing an Engineer expects from a Spy is that he'll attack his establishment by simply shooting at it. Most Engineers take so much care as to how they build their establishment as to hinder the Spy's chances of succeeding them, that they overlook the obvious. ----------------------------- Specific Map Examples of #5: ----------------------------- Gravel Pit When on the offensive, you might notice that at point C, some rather intelligent Engineer has built his stuff on the roof of the tower at C. Not that platform near the control point, but the slanted roof on the backend. That Engineer's sentry can do quite a bit of damage to your team because he is relatively safe and can easily repair without worry of spies and whatnot. Or is he? Position yourself in the far corner of the enemy base, where the Snipers hang out, more specifically, in the corner near the enemy's right spawn point door against the wall. From their, you'll avoid a fair amount of enemies as they may spawn and run right past you, also you'll have a perfect line-up to that little roof and the Engineer. Take out the dispenser first, shooting it wildly. Then destroy as much as you can, I’d recommend taking out the sentry next. Also nearly every time this map is played an Engineer sets up on the left side of C, on that ramp just beyond the spawn entrance. If that Engineer has been giving you trouble, I'd advise following the above steps in taking out his sentry as well. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Well In Well, I find it to be necessary on occasion to shoot an Engineer's set-up from the third floor area above the 2nd control point (this is the highest area in which there is a large rectangular gap in the floor). Assuming you're at the enemies base, and there is no threat up there with you. You may find that the best way to take out the Engineer's stuff is crouching, and making sure you are positioned in such a way that enemy sentry gun(s) can't hit you, then take out the dispenser, and sentry gun(s) with your trusty revolver. Sometimes this is more useful than sapping, because often times you die when sapping because another enemy intervenes you, like a Pyro or Soldier. If you're quick enough you can kill off one structure at a time without the Engineer knowing where you are, and how his stuff is dieing. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ***************************************************************** Section 6) Map Specific Strategies [A6] ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Preface: Most of these strategies utilize the concept of "looping". The idea of looping, in short, is finding a path in a map that will easily take you behind the enemy, and in a congested area. Kill as many of said enemies as possible, then cloak and make your way to the path that brought you behind the enemy in the first place. Repeat the slaughter. Hence the "looping." This technique is usually a sure-fire success. Obviously, it will require some on-the-fly maneuvering to decrease your predictability to the enemy. They may catch onto you patterns. However, there are so many patterns, that your enemy can't possibly track each one. Just be smart, loop till it no longer works, than change the pattern, then go back to the original pattern that worked. Confuse and dismay your enemy. The following examples are brought to you nearly entirely by nodforlife. Kudos to him as he has spent quite a bit of time going over many of the maps in considerable detail. Though don't worry, Delkin didn't slack here entirely. The only map specific strategy that he's responsible for is that of CP_Well. In addition he added to many of the sections, namely the Hydro additional information and tips, and a brief opening for Gravel Pit. We hope this section illustrates the effectiveness of the above strategies, and ideas. ================================================================= Hydro ================================================================= This is probably among the most difficult maps to play Spy on, since the distance between your base and theirs is usually large and takes up your entire cloak meter, often causing you to reveal yourself in the middle of their base and subsequently be shot. Don't worry, the key here is experience. With practice, you'll learn where best to cloak, and where best to de-cloak. In which case you'll find yourself lined up for tons of kills on this map. There are two ways to play Hydro as a Spy: rush- stopper or base-sapper. Most variations of Hydro have two paths to the enemy side, so bottlenecking occurs frequently. If you decide to be a rush-stopper, find a decent nook in the pathway between bases to cloak, wait for their rush to go by, then try to kill their Medics, Heavies, etc. For the Spy on Hydro, the best defense can really be a good offense, because you will stop their rushes cold before they can cause any damage to your side. Your ally Snipers may hate you for stealing their kills before they are in range, but hey, they should be less cowardly anyway. The other option is to try to destroy the opponent’s defenses. This takes more finesse, since killing a sentry on Hydro is less important than other maps. Because of the distance between control points, the Engineers often have time to repair their destroyed buildings before your team can bust through their lines and take advantage of the lull in defense. I'd only recommend trying to sap their defenses if you can time your saps with your team’s rushes, sapping them right before your team makes a big offensive push. Often, the opponents will become so preoccupied with trying to kill the Spy they will be caught off-guard by the rush and your allies can get the point. ---------------------- •Additional Hydro Tips ----------------------------------------------------------------- I've received e-mails from people still experiencing difficulty on this map, namely the fact that they don't have enough cloak to maneuver around safely, and as such de-cloak in sight of enemy forces and die. As stated above, Hydro is a difficult map to play as Spy for a few reasons, primarily due-to-the-fact that the map is large, and rather wide-open. Your cloak meter is just barely enough to reach the enemy's side, let alone navigating it. Here are some furthering pointers that will hopefully aid you. Keep in mind that Hydro is one of the more difficult maps as Spy because you need to be at the peek of your game to truly do well, as it demands the utmost of Spy coordination. Sure a newer Spy can become lucky and do well, but if there are experienced players lurking, a new Spy can only get so far. Here are some keynotes to aid in the success of Spying in this map: 1. Cloak at the last possible second-- though always before entering enemy sights. (this ensures that you have the max amount of cloak available when sneaking around the enemy's base.) 2. Chose disguises quickly, and effectively. Pyro is one of the best disguises on any map. In addition, this map is a major Sniping map, and as such executing a Sniper disguise when in the appropriate area is immensely effective, namely when taking out snipers. Also, Engineers go nuts on this map, which again points to the fact that an Engineer disguise will often prove effective. Beyond said disguises, Demoman isn't bad either, as it doesn't decrease your speed much. 3. When de-cloaking, obviously de-cloaking behind cover is essential to the success of a Spy. Though, sometimes things don't work out so smoothly, at the very least, de-cloak far out of enemy range or sight (e.g. if you're on the enemy's side, and are running out of cloak and can't reach cover in time, try to back as far from the enemy as you can and don't stop somewhere to replenish cloaking. Just pray that your sloppy de-cloaking was unseen by the enemy). Keep moving once on the enemy side. One great place to de-cloak on many versions of Hydro is under one of the many bridges. I recommend that you scurry to the furthest bridge in an enemy base when de-cloaking-- again don't wait under the bridge for your cloaking to replenish as enemy's will kill you on- sight, immediately suspecting that you're a Spy. For the record, once you know the map well, and where and when to deploy your cloak, finding cover should be no problem. Though Hydro has some expansive open areas, there are always plenty of places to hide, I assure you. Be creative, and spontaneous. 4. Always try using the back-way first (try to avoid moving with your team). Though, sometimes it's not quite that simple, you may find that every time you attempt to use a back-way, which tends to be a narrow path, you run into an enemy who also decided to play it sneaky, as such you could die in a heart- beat. Though, if you are able to bypass an entrance as such, it will be far more easy to slip through the enemy's base, and usually with more cloak at your disposal. If a back-way continually fails, the primary path(s) can be just as effective if not more so, it's just a matter of cloaking at the right moment which in this case, and all cases, is the last possible second, just before entering enemy sights. Also, another reason to avoid primary paths is the fact that there's far to much crossfire at times to avoid. 5. Hydro is a perfect map for "Looping," that is circling an area that typically repopulates with new targets, taking out as many enemies as possible with each pass. Use your cloak to get just beyond the midpoint of the map, crossing into enemy territory, then de-cloak somewhere rather close, then join enemy forces as they string together up ramps, stairs, into halls, whatever the case, make sure they are facing away from you which will usually be the case as typically they will be on the lookout for, or dealing with your team. For example, In one version of Hydro, on the far left side of Red's base there is a metal stairway that leads to a boulder cliff. This cliff brings you to a slope, and another path that lead to Blue's base. Say I'm a blue Spy, in looping, I might head to the boulder-ledge area (the area that overlooks the entire Red base--as such Red Snipers have a field day killing Blue on this cliff), cloak just before becoming visible to the enemy, and walk off the side of the cliff, landing in the shallow water of Red's base below. I'd quickly find a spot near-by to de-cloak, then I'd turn and head up Red's stairway (the one that heads to the boulder cliff that I just dropped from) Approaching this cliff from the enemy's side grants access to a slew of unsuspecting enemies, as such, I'd backstab as many as possible, then cloak, and repeat the process. This is an example of "rush-stopping," or what I also consider to be "looping." 6. In this map especially it is ill-advised for a Spy in enemy territory to lay-low allowing the replenishment of cloaking, especially if you are standing still. If say you decided to chill out under a bridge you can expect to be Spy-checked by any passing enemy, the result being death. This map demands that you keep in constant motion, especially on enemy turf. Always formulate a plan quickly, and execute it. Once you become experienced with this map you'll learn your limitations. You'll learn that certain spots can actually serve as good rest points for a Spy to regain his cloak. Those spots will be discovered through experience. For example, you'll learn that certain bridges are checked more frequently than others, while the divit over there is hardly ever checked. Those things will be discovered through experimentation. 7. Targets: This map is a Sniper's dream-- with that, so to is it a Sniper's nightmare, as an experienced Spy will gut him like a fish. Always take-out Snipers, as they are easy targets, and on this map there's a wealth of them. Also, Engineers go absolutely crazy on this map, they have a total and utter field day. Make sure to take out Engineers and their establishments to greatly aid your team's chances of breaking the enemy line, and thus dominating their base. In addition to Snipers, and Engineers, pay special attention to Medics, as this map is all about uber-pushing. Attempt taking out any Medic combos, especially Medic/Heavy combos. 8. As with any map, experience is key. With it, you learn where to cloak, how to move, where to de-cloak, in addition to how the enemy works together, namely how they will move. This experience can only be grasped through playing the map, and running through trial and error. No matter how many times you read this guide that will remain the case. Though thankfully, it's a learned, passive ability that you'll acquire just from playing. Whether or not you do well, you'll still gain new knowledge of a map, and as such go about things differently with your new found experience. Don't give up. ================================================================= Gravel Pit ================================================================= An excellent map for the Spy, as it's ample with Engineer establishments, and offers plenty of hiding places. In Gravel Pit, It is advised that you stray from moving in conjunction with your team, at least avoid moving to close to your team. This map offers a plethora of options, and paths, and as such you should execute them. Make on offense, be sure to take the more convoluted path (e.g. take the long way in meeting up with your team, corrupt the enemy along the way). When defending, wait at A, even if your entire team is holding B (which is usually the case). Don't expect to hold A yourself, just aim to kill as many enemies as possible, slowing them down hopefully to some degree. Once you are done pestering the enemy at A, join in the effort of holding B. Offense: ----------------------------------------------------------------- First, your team should all rush the same site. Splitting up the rush is almost always doom, since sentries make defense easier to do with less men than offense. Assuming that, the best strategy is to kill the sentries first, then try to get their Medics and Heavies. Killing Pyros is difficult as a Spy, but do it if you can, since a Pyros flames can take out several of your allies at once, especially if they’re all standing on the control point. For Site A, I usually cloak as soon as I get within sight range of the area (e.g. right before you drop down onto the dirt) then make a mad dash for the point, where the sentries are usually located. Hopefully the Engineer is alone and killable, but even if he’s not, you can cause a distraction and allow your team to make it up the hill and take out their defenses. Also, since a sapped sentry doesn’t shoot at anyone, the jumping and re-sapping strategy is very effective, since the path up to A is fairly short and you can often survive long enough to allow your team to scramble up the hill without taking any turret fire. Most teams devote most of their resources to defending Site B, so A usually has only one sentry, if that. Capture, then move on to Site B. For B, I usually take the left entrance, since it gets you into the site faster. As before, cloak before you enter so as to avoid Snipers and entrance-camping Pyros and Demomen. Rush into the site and try to sap like crazy, or rush around to the other side and take out the troops guarding the other exit. You’ll die a lot doing this, but the combination of sapped sentries and an ubered-Soldier or Heavy should give your team enough of an edge and allow you to take the point. As for Point C, you could try sneaking up to the top before your team has fully captured A and B, but experienced players will set up preliminary defenses to prevent this. I usually take the path through A, then go out the right side which points straight toward the tower. Cloak before you exit, hop on the little shack, then run up to the top of C. There will usually be someone up there, so try to stab them. Hopefully they will be distracted by Soldiers firing from the place you just exited, and you can get some stabbing done. If there’s a sentry, sap it. Aside from this, Engineers are fond of placing sentries on the slanted ramps right outside their spawn, crouching down and hitting them with their wrenches, and being low enough that they are out of range for your team’s snipers and rockets. This is where you come in. Use the stab n’ sap like previously discussed, and run away quickly before their team spots you, but you’ll probably get burned by a Pyro. Defense: ----------------------------------------------------------------- When defending A, I like to crouch down on top of the little shack on the lower right, near their exit. Most opponents won’t see you peaking down at them, giving you time to cloak, run behind their lines as they run up the hill, then get your stab on. As always, Medics first. Never forget there’s health directly under the capture point. You will need this frequently, mostly from Pyros. When defending B, I usually camp by the fence by their right exit. From here you can peak through the little crack in the fence to see the exit nearest you, but still see across the area to the other exit by the big boulder. Wait until there’s a rush, cloak, then stab. Be careful of Pyros, since the nearest health is too far away to grab, and it’s the small health at that. For C, you can try to cloak and sneak back toward A or B and flank them, which works sometimes. Most of the time, I creep around the right and left exits, leaving the center one for the solders on the top of C to deal with. Since the right and left entrances have two ways in and out, I cloak, go in one, then walk to the other. Hopefully, you’ll flank someone and can get some stabs. If there’s no one around, just wait a second until your cloak replenishes, then repeat. There’s only three ways in, so you’ll see someone eventually. Also, Engineers are fond of setting up buildings here, but they should be easy to sap since their team is in full offense mode and won’t spend time protecting their ally’s investments. ================================================================= Dustbowl ================================================================= This is by far the best map for stabbing. You can often dominate the scoreboards here, basically by running the same route over and over. People never learn. It’s amazing. Offense: ----------------------------------------------------------------- For the first point on the first section, wait a few moments after the match starts to let all the spamming Soldiers and Demomen have to reload, then cloak and run out the exit to the railroad tracks. You have just enough cloak to get to the far shafts, where there is usually a sniper sitting. Stab him, the run back into their base and re-disguise yourself. Then, rush into the point and sap like mad. You’ll die a lot, but if you can get the sentry down long enough for your team to get in their and kill it, you’ll be solid. For the next point, take the shaft to the right, walk up the steps, cloak, then jump down off the bridge behind their lines. There’s usually a sentry on the right behind the corner. The sap n’ stab usually works here, since there’s not much roaming room for the Engineers. Also, Snipers usually camp the upper bridge, and are usually alone and out of eyeshot of the rest of their team. You know what to do there. If you can get the sentry on the right down, that’s usually enough to get your team to bust through to the point. If they don’t, just keep re-sapping the same sentry that the Engineer will probably keep putting in the same place. You’re team should eventually get through. On the first point of the next section, cloak as you walk down the little ditch before being exposed to their defenses. They will often have a sentry on top of the shack to the right. Rush up and sap it. If there’s smart they’ve got a Pyro up there to watch for Spies, so you’ll probably die a lot, but really all you need to do is get the gun down long enough to give your Demomen and Soldiers time to kill it. Aside from this, there are usually Snipers in the back, or in the window of the building. They are easy prey. I will often cloak, run behind the building, allow my bar to recharge a bit, then run back toward where they come out from, stabbing them as they get to the fight. You can also jump up the tires to the point and attempt to sap the sentry that’s usually in the doorway to the room by the point, but that’s usually best killed by coming in from the ground entrance. Often that room is deserted except for the Engineer, so you can usually kill the sentry no problem. Capture the point, then move on. Now, the next point is one of the hardest for a Spy, since there’s often multiple sentries along the right wall by their spawn. You’ve got two choices: try to sap the sentries, which almost never works because there’s tons of defenders and Engineers to repair the sentries after they’ve been wounded. I’d recommend sapping the guns only if your team is coordinating an attack and they will rush out right after you’ve sapped their guns and distracted their defense. The other choice is to rush out the main gait to this section while cloaked, run under the building, go left and up the steps to the railing. Often there are Demomen and Soldiers up here spamming all the exits. Stab them, since you are most often out of sentry range at this point. Sometimes Engineers will place a sentry on top of the exit you came out of, but there are basically defenseless up there and can be easily destroyed with a little persistence. Capturing this point definitely takes a lot of teamwork, but a Spy can be instrumental in getting the final push off the ground. For the first point on the last section, I like to exit from the right most doorway by the hallway, since you’re out of the line of most of the fire. Just be careful to avoid spamming Demomen and Soldiers. There’s often a sentry on the left behind the wooden steps. Cloak, get behind the Engineer and give him the stab n’ sap. There’s usually a sentry in the elevated doorway across from you on the left, but it’s out of the range of your sappers and should be avoided. Your teammates will have to take care of that one. For the last point, depending on how far up your line has pushed their defense, adjust your cloak accordingly. If their team is still clogging the hallway, it’s very difficult to sneak by, but if you do, run immediately to the little door directly to the right of the bridge. Grab the health if you’re weak, then hop down the upper door and flank their team, stabbing all who you can. This will hopefully allow your team to move up and establish an outpost with teleports by the bridge. Once they do that, keep cloaking as you run across the gap to the door you went in before, but this time wait a second in the upper room, out of the line of fire. Allow your meter to recharge, then cloak again and exit at the upper door that leads toward their spawn. Run back to the very rear of the level, behind the control point. Analyze where their sentries are and try to sap them. Getting this point is very difficult, and like the final point of part two of this map, it takes teamwork, but as before a Spy can be instrumental in getting a successful rush off the ground. Also, there’s usually Snipers in the back that you can stab if you want, but you’ll usually get killed by a sentry or a Pyro. Defense: ----------------------------------------------------------------- For the first point of the first section, it’s very hard to get stabs since there’s no real good way to get behind the other team. The best way is to cloak, then run along the ridge on the left, watching the canyon below. If enemies rush out, jump behind them and stab. Once they get the first point, however, the fun begins. Rush out either the right or left exit back toward the first point, and retreat quickly if you see someone coming since there’s not enough room for you to go around him and you will be revealed. Sneak inside the shack where the first point is and walk up the steps. Watch where their team is going and get behind them. If they go in either one of the bottom entrances, follow and stab. Often they’ll try going to the right and up the steps to the bridge on your side, but you can usually stab them before they get there, and it’s such a small room before the bridge that their Medics are usually stationary and easy targets. Often their team will attempt to set up an outpost in the top shaft to the right of the control point, since your team has no way to get in there except for running all the way around to the first point and up the steps. Hard for a Soldier or Heavy, easy for a Spy. Get in there and sap if you can, teleporter first if they’ve got one. Since you can only win by defending for a time limit, slowing their advance onto your soil is the best strategy besides outright killing. Often two or three enemies will become clogged in the doorway that leads down to your point. If you see this, smile largely, my friend, because you just got a couple backstabs. Be careful of sentries in this room, as well as suspicious Pyros. Often, trying to kill enemies in here is more trouble than it’s worth. At this point, I’d recommend sneaking back toward their spawn and sapping the teleporter entrance that’s usually right outside their exit on the right. The engineer is probably halfway across the map at this point, so you should get it easily, but you might get killed by the exiting troops. On the first point of the next section, cloak, run down into their spawn, wait for the rush to walk by, then stab. If you survive, run back toward the control point and recharge your cloak in the shack, grab the health, then cloak again. Rush toward the shack with the ladder beside it, run up the ladder, jump down and run back into their spawn. Stab again. Repeat this over and over. My record is 12 backstabs without dying. How can you do? On the next point, rush toward the middle-right exit of the four, cloak right before you round the corner and can be seen, then rush through the little alley in between the building and the fence. Grab the big health if needed, then camp in the corner between the first control point and the fence. Wait for their team to rush by, then walk out and join them. A lot of times they’ll set up a little outpost here with a sentry. I don’t usually try to kill this, since it’s usually more trouble than it’s worth. Just follow their team wherever they’re going and stab them if you don’t get killed by suspicious enemies. The other tactic on this section is to run up the ladder to the ramp above the two exits across the section from your spawn and wait for guys to come out. Often they will set up an outpost in the far left shaft, down toward the one-way gate. Don’t bother trying to kill this. The corridor is so small you’ll probably get killed by the time you can sap anything. You’ll have more luck stabbing the guys that flow out. If you want, you can try sneaking all the way back to their spawn and sapping the teleporter entrance, slowing their advance. On the first point of the last section, I usually take the far left entrance to their spawn, run down along the hallway, then loop up the steps behind their lines. Stab at will. If the hallway is clogged, just retreat. You’re invisible, so as long as they don’t bump into you or shoot you can get away cleanly. Just repeat this over and over, killing Medics first as always. On the final point of the map, rush down the path, turn right, head straight and go up the steps to the little room on top. Grab the health if you need to and recharge the cloak for a bit. Then, run along the railing while cloaked. Go out and to the left, then jump over their advancing lines and de-cloak by the first capture point. Approach their backs and stab. Often, they’ll set up a sentry here to prevent this, but you can get a sapper on it and kill a couple people before it gets repaired or you die, or you can use the stab n’ sap on the engineer, although it’s not really that important. You could just follow the lines around the bend and out of its path, or you could camp in the upper room on the right with the health and wait until their team walks by underneath you. Killing medics on this part is essential, since often the only way to win is with the ubercharge to take out your sentries. Don’t let them get it. ================================================================= Granary ================================================================= The key here is to know where the front lines are. Just cloak as your run through the room where the embattled control point is and dip behind their lines. For the center one, I find cloaking and climbing the ramps give you a good vantage point to see where the most stab-able enemies are. Be sure you’re disguised as a Sniper or Engineer here, since a Pyro would have no reason to be up that high. For the other points, just slip around their defenses and take out their Engineers before they can get sentries up, or if your team is on the defensive, their Medics and Heavies. Use the upper ramps that lead down the long corridor and cloak before dropping down the circle exit in the floor. You can usually flank an attacking team that way, exposing their Medics to the stab. For the last point, sneak onto it early if you can, since it captures fast enough you can usually take it before they can get to you. If that’s not the case, cloak right before you enter the last area, rush all the way back to the point, then don’t de-cloak until there’s no one standing on it. If there is, stab him. If there’s a sentry around, killing it should be your priority, since you’ll die from its bullets too quickly to get the capture (remember, you can’t capture while disguised or cloaked). Even if you don’t get the capture, hopefully you can move the capture meter far enough along before you die that your team can finish it off. ================================================================= CP_Well : Among Delkin's favorite maps!!! Strats by Delkin :D ================================================================= First of all, when reading this, read it slowly, and carefully. I tried to write it as best I could and as simply as I could. Hopefully, you'll find that it's written well enough to visualize. So, please try to picture the map, and exactly what this strategy pertains. It's recommend that you have a basic understanding of the map before reading the below strategies. It's a step-by-step walkthrough of what I do on this map. What I believe all Spies should do. Offense: ----------------------------------------------------------------- At the start of the match, exit your building, and head to the water nearest your base. At the waters edge, wait for the setup countdown, perched there carefully, all the while eyeing the submerged waterway which leads to the mid point area. If you dive into the water at exactly 3 seconds and go straight to the water entry at the mid point, the gates will open precisely when you arrive at them. Before exiting the submerged path to the floors of the middle point, make sure to apply cloaking as to avoid being seen. While cloaked quickly cross the room diagonally (crossing both railroad tracks), then de-cloak once you’re in the tiny room that has the water entry that leads to the enemy base. Carefully swim along towards the enemy's base via their water- network until you reach one of the two bridges, I usually head to the left bridge (which from the enemy's point-of-view is the right bridge). Once you reach the bridge rise against the underside of it to get air (this way you don’t surface for air in-sight of the enemy). From beneath the bridge you will be able to see if there is an Engineer establishment in the area; in addition, you can track some enemy movement. Now cloak, jump from the water, and run to the nearest corner beside one of their big garage doors (the corners that are on the left and right side of the entrance doors when you leave their base structure) then de-cloak while standing in the corner. For the record, I typically de-cloak on the left side of the door, as there's more space to "hide" than the right side. Make sure the coast is clear before you continue onward, or wait for a few enemies to leave the doors (running by you) then follow them. I'd advise that you avoid joining the advancing enemies when the door is still open. It closes quickly, so let it close after they run out, then follow them. If you don't wait for the door to close and you join the enemy ranks, enemies further behind will see you come from nowhere to join their comrades, and will grow suspicious of you. At this point, follow the enemy over the bridge (the bridge that you once hid beneath), and head towards the side entrances of the mid point. You'll more than likely be surrounded by the enemy, as they will populate this area. As such, you'll be presented with a slew of options here. With a congestion of enemies around you, assess your best possible targets, and quickly execute your attack! When attacking, You may decide to sap like mad, get a few backstabs, and conclude with a stealthy retreat. Or, you could focus entirely on backstabs, remembering to attack those nearest you first, heading to further enemies next. Just be efficient in executing your plan. After the initial attack, I highly suggest you retreat to the nearest safe area while cloaked (this could be the water, or the mid-spawn-point area if your team has seized it). Now you have a few options at hand. First, you could repeat the above process, thus continually ambushing the enemy via their water path. *cough* looping *cough* I suggest however, that from time to time you mix things up; keep the enemy on their toes. Your next option, which is quite effective, is to head up to the Sniper battlement that overlooks the enemy's base. From there, hide in one of the corners of the room, avoiding both random enemy fire and pesky Snipers. Your goal now is to get a visual of enemy movement so you can plan a quick stab/sap run accordingly. Cloak yourself, and either jump out the window or exit to the roof via one of the two windows situated on the left and right sides of the room. Make sure to return inside quickly to de-cloak, thus using only a smidgen of your cloak meter. Now that you have an understanding of where your enemy is, quickly make your way down to them via any of the windows (I'd suggest the left and right ones again). Dart down there quickly, jumping evasively to avoid potential Sniper fire. Of course, if you wanted, after the initial sighting of enemies you could have stayed cloaked, then scurried to them and de-cloaked in a corner, but I've found jumping down with a disguise is usually enough to get the jump on them (quite literally). Snipers usually choke-up when deciding to shoot you, thinking you're one of them. Kill as many as you can, then once again attempt to vanish, only to soon after execute a re-appearing act, repeating the looping. You'll notice that thus far we have only discussed dealing with the enemy whilst they charge for the mid point. Once your team pushes them back to their base, I suggest you do this. In the safety of a corner, or at the very least in a safe location, wait for the cloak meter to fully re-charge (standing in a corner is good because it gives you a chance to keep your eyes open for enemy Spies, which you may see readying to kill your allies). In this case, I would once again situate myself in one of the corners near their base's entrances. Once fully charged, immediately cloak whilst running into the enemy's base, through one of the two doors. Nothing fancy here, kill any stray enemies you can, though I strongly advise you just avoid everyone and quickly scurry to the stairs in the second control point room. Quickly run up whichever stair is closer, then head to the hall that leads to the Sniping battlements, and third floor. Your cloak will deplete precisely as you reach and enter this hall. That's assuming you haven't been slowed down anywhere, which does happen because you MUST avoid bumping into enemies. Wait somewhere safe for your cloak to charge. You now have two options at hand. Which you'll have to decide upon quickly and on the fly. The first option is to take out the Sentries found on the ramp near the second control point on the second floor, not to be confused with Sentries on the third floor. You may have to loop around the sniper area to gain better access to the Engineer and his establishment. So, if that's the case, do so. I recommend you sneak your way into the control-point room, sap then back off to the safety of the hall, then shoot the sapped establishment with your revolver to quickly finish it. Of course, if you can stab the Engineer do so, but don't bother if doing so will put you in range of yet another sentry. So yes, the enemy is now fully aware of you, at the very least we know the Engineer is. Retreat to the third floor via the hallway, stealth if you must. If there is anything on the third floor, take the respective measures in dealing with your findings. Once on the third floor, you can either pester the Engineers below by shooting and killing whatever they build even as soon as they place it. In which case they may run off towards the battlement hall with wrench swinging vigorously. In said scenario, you can either attempt to kill the quickly approaching Engineer, or after having saved a bit of cloaking charge, you could make your way to their final point, and hide in the room in an obscure spot. Now if you were lazy, you could wait for your team to capture the second to last point, thus granting you the option of capturing the last one. If you plan to do this you better be quick to the point, as to beat the mad rush of enemies to the point. Or, you can head off and apply the above strategies. Defending: ----------------------------------------------------------------- If your team is base-bound; that is, trapped in their own base. This can be one of the best positions for a Spy, because the work is done for you, the enemy is coming to you. Spies are actually quite effective at defensive play. So, being that your team is having a war at the entrances to your base, this maybe a good time in taking the emergency exit. Yes, the emergency exit, isn't that great? Every base should have one. Before leaving your base, between the two garage doors is a room with ammunition in it; head there. Also, you'll see that there's an escape hatch that drops you into the water below the base. Head down into the water. You can either cloak, and then emerge from the water, find a corner and then de-cloak. At this point you'd go on a stabbing/sapping rampage. Conversely however, you could swim all the way to the mid point, or further, then join their team as they make their way to your base, killing them along the way. Make sure to sap as you go, taking specific care of teles. It's also a good idea to pay the enemy's base a visit, even despite the fact that your own is under siege. While at the enemy's base, sap their entry-teleporters which will be situated on the left side of their base. It may be to your advantage to use the right door as to avoid being seen by the enemy. You can, from within their base backstab the enemies as they spawn, but be sure to flee quickly, as they will be quick to hunt you down. Make them think that you left, perhaps hide in the third floor area. Wait a few moments then, when the moments right, and they have placed new tele- entrances, drop down and continue to sap and slaughter. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Note: Obviously this is not a seamless process, you will be caught and killed many times. Though, the above strategy is absolutely the way to go as spy, and learning the above strategy will pave the road for your handlings on each and every map. Note: Yes, I know... If you go by this particular map strategy word for word-- well you can't. Though, I've stated nearly every scenario you can experience here. You'll have to apply the strategy on the fly. Though, it will come to you after having read this, so, fear not. I will tell you for a fact that when the round starts you should absolutely follow my initial looping strategy, joining their forces, then repeating, as it works every time. Note: I advise finding typical enemy paths in every map, then, from a natural area join the flow of enemy movement. The reason this proves effective is because your enemy won't be suspicious if they see a pyro running behind a string of other allies as they near the front lines. It's the best way to blend in, hands down. *Essentially the idea to playing Spy well on any map is to out- smart your enemy. This we know. Did I fail to mention that often times the enemy is more dumb than you'd think? You can typically do a great deal of damage looping the enemy into submission. As I've said, and hopefully by now you realize, "looping" is finding an area in any map where the enemies congregate, and while facing away from you. Kill as many as you can by way of your trusty backstabbing powers, then vanish once more and once again find your way to the path that started you on your venture. ================================================================= 2fort: Has 2 strats, one by NodForLife, and the other, Delkin. ================================================================= NodForLife's Strat: Ah, 2fort. For me, spy is the only class worth playing on this stage, unless the intel is in the open and a Scout can grab it. As a Spy you'll usually get a bad score, but will be instrumental in the key first movement of the intel out of their intel room and (hopefully) away from most of their defenses. As for your plight, the best way to go is out the 'Battlements' exit, cloak as you round the corner so you don't get sniped. Then, check to see if anyone's coming across the bridge*. If not, just walk across un-cloaked (but disguised, I like Pyro since he's the fastest class that doesn't arouse suspicion). Once inside their base, turn right into that room adjacent to the courtyard and cloak. You should have enough cloak to get up the far steps and down the long staircase into their intel room. I usually de-cloak at the top of the staircase to the basement to conserve the meter. Walk toward the intel room, then use the last slice of your cloak meter right as you enter the intel room, allowing you to scope their defenses. If they've got a sentry or two, plan your attack accordingly. If there's an engineer around, I suggest sapping the sentry first, then shooting the engineer with the revolver. If he is hell-bent on repairing the sentry rather than shooting you, just keep sapping it and eventually it will blow up. Once it's dead, you can try and kill him but usually he's close enough to you (since he was repairing the sentry) that his shotgun is a one-hit kill. I just try to run and get the intel and dash for the exit, jumping and juking along the way. With any luck, you can make it out to the right and up the spiral ramp, where the turns will prevent the slightly slower engineer from following you and shooting you in the back. Then, just run like crazy back to your base. Hop in the water if you're getting shot as you exit their fort, usually the bridge will provide a few key seconds of cover so you can get around the corner in your sewer pipe and grab the health down there. From here it should be smooth sailing back to your intel room for the score, and even if you die, their intel is in your base so your team can grab it. You won't get any points for this adventure, since you probably won't get the capture, but if winning the map is more important, this is my best strategy. *If there are enemies on the bridge, stay invisible and hop in the water. De-cloak as soon as you get under the bridge and walk through their sewer, up the sewer exit steps. In my experience, there are rarely people guarding the sewer, but if so just cloak and walk around them. After exiting the sewer, check to see if there's anyone in the front rooms of their base, then turn left into the 'L' shaped hallway leading to the courtyard. Cloak right before you make the right turn in the 'L' since there are often nosey engineers and pyros protecting the sentry guns that are always in that courtyard. DO NOT TRY TO SAP THEM. You will just blow your disguise and get killed. Once in the courtyard, hope up the steps on the right and head down into their intel room. See above instructions for what to do from here. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Delkin's Strat: Disclaimer: I've received E-mails from a few people regarding difficulty on this map. So, I E-mailed them back, but did so in a sort of in-depth way. I decided to copy and paste my E-mail response to them word-for- word. This was my advise to them... and now to you.. 2Fort is an interesting map as Spy. One can be very successful, but new strategies must be formed to do well here. What I recommend is this, when leaving the battlements, cloak a few seconds early so that once you walk off of the battlements, and onto the ground below, you'll be fully cloaked. Here it gets interesting. You could attempt crossing the bridge to the enemy's base, as such you should de-cloak in a corner just outside their fortress. Once de-cloaked, you could then join their forces as they cross the bridge to your base, and stab as many as you can. After stabbing, in attempt of avoiding death, you must scurry to safety, with cloak active. I usually jump into the water as it is a safer place to dwell. The water will usually be your primary path, seeing as how the bridge is often times too cluttered with enemies to pass. So, when using the water, here is what you'll face. Either the enemy Engineer's are building in your sewer system, their own, or the very middle of the map under water. It's easy enough to kill sentries that are being built in the water at the center of the map, just be sneaky, sap, and stab, do whatever necessary to kill middle establishments. As for your sewer. If they've claimed it, you will be forced to approach them from the central water path (the water at the center of the map where the bridge is). If you attempt heading to them base-side, then going down that long tunnel, no disguise will help here. As they will see you and assume you to be a Spy. In addition, you have to cloak so early to avoid being seen, that by the time you get to their establishment in your sewers you've run out of cloak. So, when approaching from the central water source, cloak just before rounding the first turn in the tunnel (To make sure no one is waiting for you, if the coast is clear, de-cloak, then wait a second for you cloak to replenish, then cloak once more, and enter their establishment. If you can stab the Engineer then sap, go for it. To be honest, this is rarely the case as most people here are antsy and are expecting a Spy. As such, they may be running around swinging bats, and wrenches, whatever. Here's what I recommend, get into the room, de-cloak amongst the enemy, then sap everything in site, then stab like mad. Try to stab the engineer, or even shoot them. This is a scenario that you may find using your gun necessary. Most of the enemies here will anticipate you and will be backed against a wall or something, in midst of trying to stab them, your gun may better finish the job. The good thing, about the enemy building in your sewer, is that you have ample backup. Whilst you are attempting to take out their establishment, you can call in allies for reinforcements. On the enemy's side you will have different options at your disposal. You could take the quickest route, which is throw the central water supply. Or, you could try tricking enemy's who may be down their by coming from their end. As such, you'd sneak into their base, chose a nice disguise of course, and make your way to their sewer room via their tunnel. This makes things less suspicious as they may think your one of them. Though, as you said, Pyros usually aid Engineers in the protection of their establishments. In this case, you could either hope to be lucky in stabbing the Pyro, you could shoot the Pyro, or you could ignore him and just attempt sapping and killing the Engineer. It is very important to sap here, you MUST kill their sentry, dispenser, and teles. As, it will slow down their teams effectiveness down there. You will likely die many times in attempts of clearing these areas, but someone has to do it. Note: One of the more aggravating things you will face when dealing with the tunnels is a Pyro who has a dispenser replenishing his ammo continuously, as such, is releasing a unyielding spray of fire across an access point (e.g. he's continuously spraying a flame barrier across an area that you, the spy, need to cross to get to the establishment. In this case, call in support for dealing with the Pyro... Map Strats: 1. Cross bridge, de-cloak in safety and stab as many as you can as they cross to your base. 2. Kill enemy Snipers, usually crossing the bridge is the best path to take in reaching them. Also, a Sniper disguise usually works here. You can usually kill every sniper in the battlements in one sweep, then cloak and drop into the water or reenter the base. 3. Hide in the central water area, with your back to the enemy's side, along the wall. Wait for enemies to drop into the water, and kill them. In addition, wait outside their tunnel in the middle of the map, and wait for enemies to come out, stab them. 4. Once you've crossed the bridge, and de-cloaked in a corner, you can be quite successful at taking out the enemy offense. You can stab enemies in the back as they leave their fortress. You could cloak, then go inside the fortress, then de-cloak in a corner, and continue the stabbing. You could sneak further into the base, while cloaked of course, and attempt to take out Engineers and their establishments. Note: Ultimately, a good strategy in general is to wait in the water for unsuspecting enemies to come your way, often- times you'll stop them from entering your tunnels. Note: Due to the narrowness of this map it can be quite difficult for a Spy to pass amongst the enemies without bumping into them... As such, oftentimes a Spy will be at his best in the open, taking out the enemy's offensive pushes. To be honest, going for the Intelligence is not the Spy's forte. It's a task better suited for the scouts. Sometimes you'll make it away successful. Usually, the Spy's best purpose with the intel is moving it small increments at a time, dieing each time he picks it up (e.g. say the intel is dropped on the bridge, and the enemy is all around it now protecting it, while cloaked, pick it up and move as close to your side as possible. You'll die, but that will reset the time that it takes for the intel to reappear in the intel room.. in addition to bringing it closer to your allies...) ================================================================= Gold Rush ================================================================= If it's one thing that Valve's known for, it's treating their fan base, and customers well. They continuously update their games, making them the best that they can be. Then of course, the release new maps on a relatively good basis. Simply put, this map is amazing. It's great for every class, though, in my eyes, it's a Spy's dream come true. At first, the map may seem complicated, though, I assure you, in time you'll learn it, and understand it quite well. I don't plan on going nuts here, like I did with the CP_Well guide. This one will still be informative, but it will be more general. Assuming you've read anything in this guide, you should have a general idea of the ins and outs of a Spy. You should be familiar with general Spy strategies, you should know how to cloak and disguise effectively. You should also know, in coordination with all of the above, how to use your surroundings to your advantage. Gold Rush is great because it's a very detailed map, with multiple paths to take. Yet, at the same time, it's fairly balanced. For the following information, I'm just going to discuss the first section or stage of the map. Each stage is just as good as the first, but if you do well on the first stage, so to shall you on the ones to come. You've just got to improvise, and implement your knowledge of Spy effectively. Offense: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Firstly, as always, take on a friendly disguise, as I've said, I prefer Pyro. While waiting for the gates to open, run back and forth to each gate scoping enemy placement, they won't move much and will probably be in the same relative area when the gates open. Once the gates open, you can either cloak then run out right away, if you know that it's safe to do so, or you can wait a moment for you teammates to run out, as such, enemy Demomen will set off their stickies, then you can run out. Once you've cloaked and run off, re-disguise, and de-cloak in a safe area (trust me, there are plenty in this map). If you use your surroundings effectively, de-cloaking in the best spots, you should be able to stab so many enemies. You may also find some Engineers to menace and sap. Another great spot is the house, usually enemies will be inside, especially upstairs. Make sure to kill them, as they will see your antics from afar and kill you. During your stab frenzy, your team will have pushed the Tiny Cart nearer the first checkpoint. At this point, the enemy will have a more difficult time getting to your side as your teammates should be defending the cart, moving it along. Out side the house, you can hide in the corner just before the hall that leads to the enemy base (the hall with the tracks that the mine cart follows). Hide here, keep an out out for enemy Spies, and also, wait for unsuspecting enemies to emerge from the tunnel, be sure to stab them in the back. Seriously, this map is awesome... Once the checkpoint has been reached, the two gates to the left of you open up (this is assuming you're still waiting where I told you to). Head down either path, you will find uses for both. If you take the longer tunnel, you'll eventually have to drop off into the low-lying area below the enemy's bridge. As such, before you drop from this area cloak, make sure to do so before the enemy sees you. There are so many options here, it's ridiculous. You can head up the slanted wooden ladder to you're left, which will take you closer to the cart, then stab the enemies who are holding off your team. You could instead run straight, right under the bridge, and head to the mining tunnel to the far right. You could run to the doorway that acts as a recess in the wall, which will be straight ahead of you when you pass under the bridge. Either way, their will be a slew of enemies to take out. Snipers, Demomen, Soldiers.. Medics, Heavies you'll run into everything in this area. Once you stab a few people, cloak, then hide somewhere. The mining tunnel takes you to their spawn entrance, yet, if you run to the end of the tunnel, it's a nice little dead end, the perfect place for a Spy to recharge his cloaking. Once you reach the enemy spawn (I'm talking just outside the door), by any means that you use to reach it, you have a few options at your disposal. You could... A) Wait for a few enemies to come out of the spawn (most will run to the right side, nearer the cart) and stab them. Upon stabbing, cloak, hide, re-disguise, and then return. B) You could disguise as a Pyro or Engineer, and make your way to the stairs just beyond the enemy's spawn. From here, you can take out Engineers and their establishments, and let's not forget the Snipers. This is something that you should always strive to do each time you make it to the enemy's base. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Generally speaking, the Spy shouldn't push the little cart, as he has more important matters to tend to. If you can stab three to four enemies each time you make a pass on them, that's three or more that your team doesn't have to deal with. As such, they can more easily focus on the cart. Defense: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Once again, use a friendly disguise and wait for the set-up time to come to its end. Just before the set-up time finishes, and the gates open, hide behind something, cloak, re-disguise, and head to a more opportune position. Usually, some spot right outside the enemy's spawn area, so that they run by you. Keep backstabbing, then cloaking and retreating each time you make a sweep. Get health if need be, and continue the cycle, use your surroundings to your advantage, as always. Once they claim the checkpoint, you can cloak and run back past the first checkpoint and de-cloak in a safe area on their side of the map. Coming at the enemy from behind is key, so, coming at them from their side is also key. Also, as you should already know, it looks less suspicious if you take a path that the enemy normally takes. Once you've de-cloaked, stab unsuspecting victims that may be running towards the frontlines, and make your way to one of the two paths just beyond the house (not the one that the cart goes through). Oftentimes, you'll get more kills when using the path that leads to that slight drop into the next 'house' (the drop that has the full health box sitting there). If you take this path, carefully weave around the corner, (cloaked or not, it's up to you, because you're in an area that you can do well both ways) and head up the stairs. From here stab as many of the enemy as possible. Usually, you'll be able to take out many, if not all of them yourself, because, they are so focused on your team. Make sure to deal with Engineers in this area accordingly. Again, as I said, cloaking or not is up to you, sometimes it's safer to cloak and get into the upstairs area, it depends on your enemy. The best scenario for the Spy in general is to get as close to the enemy's spawn as possible, then to start back across the map from the enemy's side, taking out anyone along the way. This is a bit of general advice for any map. Oftentimes in Push the little cart maps, back-tracking just beyond the "little cart" then coming at the cart from behind will provide you with a wealth ----------------------------------------------------------------- This next tidbit is very helpful, and depending on the circumstances, it can save your life. While disguised as the enemy, you can gain health from their cart as they normally do. Say for example your team has killed off the enemy near the cart, you can take this time to gain health from the cart. It's great because, oftentimes there isn't health nearby, be it med packs, dispensers, or medics. It's just good to know that a Spy has another option for health. ================================================================= CTF_Turbine ================================================================= With the Pyro achievement update, comes two new maps, one of which I'm already quite familiar with. It's great to know that Valve is making some custom maps official, as this is truly great for the community. This will inspire mappers to take their maps to the next level, with hopes that their maps will one day be official. I've been playing on Turbine for months and months, it's such a great map, not to mention it's well balanced. I couldn't be more happy to see it become official, now others will have a chance to play it. Unlike 2Fort, teams will actually be able to coordinate together and capture the intelligence. An uber is oftentimes enough to push through a majority of the enemy's defenses, which will usually lead to capturing the flag. In 2Fort, the flag is so deep in the enemy's base, that for one to actually capture the flag and make it back to their base successfully is an absolute joke. I can honestly say that this is not the case in Turbine, thank God. For the record, this map is symmetrical, so if you know one side of the map, you know what the other side of the map is like. The following is a list of Spy specific strategies on this map: 1) The middle of this map is up for grabs by either team. Whichever team holds the middle determines the way a Spy must play on this map. If your team has the middle, then you can move around the middle, in a friendly disguise, carefree. You can then cloak, disguise, and enter their base via one of three ways: the left entrance (nearest the intel) the right entrance (nearest their spawn) or the vent entrance (an upper entrance, which is accessed via a stairway on the left side of the middle. 2) If your team has the middle, you can hide in the corner near their right most entrance (this is the entrance that has the door--from the enemy's point-of-view it's their left door). When enemy's come out, you can backstab them to no end. Oftentimes, the enemy will push out of this door with an uber. This means they will be focused on the more obvious threat that is your team, such as Sentries for example. Once their Uber has ended, stab them in the back. 3) Cloak, then head into their base via the right most entrance, then de-cloak in either the vents or in the indented area on the right side at the top of the stairs. Stab anyone that you can, though I must warn you, this is their spawn, and as such a newly spawned enemy will likely halt your scheming, so be careful. 4) Head to the left entrance (the wide open one leading to the intel). Cloak, and make your way through the area. Take out Engineers and their establishments. They will almost always set up in this room, as it hinders scouts and other people from making away with the flag. 5) Most of your points will come from taking out people on the fronts, which is usually in the middle. Be quick, stab, cloak, re-disguise, then de-cloak in a safe area. Learn the map, make note of health locations. 6) If the enemy has the middle head to the middle via your vents (which could be risky as there's not enough room to maneuver around an enemy, as such, your bound to bump into one if there's one present), or you could more safely use the wider hallway of the intel area to head to the middle. Once in the middle, get as close to the enemy's side as you can before running out of cloak, then do what you can. Sap, stab, keep moving. 7) Oftentimes, when the enemy has claimed the middle, an Engineer will set-up on the ramp outside of your vent exit. If this is the case, and you are unable to sap his things, here's the perfect solution. Cloak, disguise as an enemy Sniper, then head to the stairway leading to the enemy's ramp (the one that permits access to their ventilation system), and hide in that room with the windows just outside their vent entrance. Typically, you will be safe from the enemy there, as they don't use the vent as much when they have claimed the middle. Many of the newly spawned enemies will take teles built by the Engineers, and will get to the middle faster that way. From here, take out your trusty Revolver and eye your teams vent area where the enemy Engineer(s) have set-up. Shoot at their dispensers. Then, once you've taken out said dispensers, take out their sentries. It works very well. Usually, you'll able to take out the Engineers this way as well. 8) If you successfully clean out an enemy's intel room, or, if you get there just as your team is cleaning it out, grab the flag. In this map, you don't have to get the intel too far from it's set position before it's much more accessible by your team. If sentries are disabled, you can approach the intel while cloaked, once you pick it up, you will lose your cloak, but you should have time to either make it back all the way, or at the very least, bring the enemy's intel closer to your team. The enemy's vents can provide great access to their intel room, just make sure to cloak before you drop into the room. ================================================================= -Section 7) Spy Checking [A7] ----------------------------------------------------------------- This section will depict many hints and things to look for when trying to decipher whether or not someone is friend or Spy ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Any "friendly" Spy you see that isn't wearing a mask is either a really dumb ally Spy, or an even more stupid enemy Spy, as enemy Spies don't even display a mask. It's usually safe to assume that if you see a Spy without a mask, holding his revolver, he's an enemy Spy. 2. If you see a Medic with no uber-charge percentage, he's a Spy without question. In addition, if that's not obvious enough, he'll be holding his Syringe-gun. Then of course to further these point you could simply bump into him. Keep in mind that you can't pass through enemies. 3. All Spies, while in disguise, appear to be holding their primary weapon. As such, it's safe to assume that any class holding anything aside from their primary weapon is immediately not a Spy. For example, if an Engineer is holding his wrench, pistol, or tool box, you immediately know they aren't a Spy, because his Shotgun is his primary weapon. As such, a Spy as Engineer can only be seen holding a shotgun. So, no need for false checking, and wasting ammo. 4. If you bump into an ally and can't pass through them, you've found yourself a Spy. 5. Many Spies take on the disguise of the Engineer, though, more often than not a real Engineer will be toting his wrench. If the suspected Engineer is holding his shotty, check him out. 6. "Tab" anyone? It's there for a reason. Keep track of what classes you have on your team, in addition to who is what class. 7. Look for an Ally who has your exact name. What a coincidence right? Wrong, it's just a Spy, no checking here, it's obvious. 8. Posing as a friendly Pyro is helpful in that enemy Spies will more than likely avoid you, thus revealing that they are a Spy. 9. With the above factors in mind, also consider the whereabouts of the target, and pay attention to suspicious movement and activity. 10.On occasion, you will see yourself calling out for a Medic, even when you haven't issued the command. Don't worry, you're not going crazy. This simply means that when the enemy Spy took on his disguise, he was assigned your name. This makes it easier to find said Spy. As you can warn Medics, or kill him now that you are aware of his presence. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= -Section 8) Quick Tips [A8] ----------------------------------------------------------------- This section contains brief tips, hints, and info, that are intended for those of you who don't want to read the entire guide. Though, even if you have read the entire guide, going over this section won't hurt. Essentially, this is the "sparknotes" of the guide-- you may even find something new! Again, keep in mind that if you've read the entire guide then the majority of the information below has already been provided. We're just stressing the important stuff... ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1) • Never disguise as Medic: You don't display uber-percentage to enemies. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 2) • Never disguise as Scout: You can't move like them (e.g. double jump). ----------------------------------------------------------------- 3) • When disguised as Spy, you don't have a mask on to the enemy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4) • Avoid Pyros at all costs, as they will burn you alive. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 5) • Don't bother with Scouts unless the scenario provides that they are an easy kill. They are fast-- and deadly to the Spy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 6) • Cloaking/De-cloaking takes a few seconds to take full effect. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 7) • Once disguised, play the part. Use appropriate disguises in appropriate areas. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8) • When shot whilst in disguise, the enemy can't tell that you've taken damage. If you don't react from being shot, you can trick the enemy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 9) • The Butterfly knife is the best melee weapon in the game when in the form of a swift backstab, and conversely is the weakest in head on fights. Avoid using it face-to-face. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 10) • Stabbing from above, and from the side, usually register as a backstab. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 11) • Always assume a disguise, and change disguises once you've been discovered. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 12) • Always Stab the enemy nearest you first, then proceed to those further from you. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 13) • The Pyro is among your best disguises. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 14) • The Demoman is not far behind when it comes to disguises. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 15) • To the enemy, When your disguised, you appear to be holding the primary weapon of your disguised class. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 16) • When Spy checking, keep an eye on the target's name, class, whereabouts, and weapon. If the target is holding his secondary weapon, you know right off the bat he's one of your own. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 17) • You can call for enemy Medics while in disguise, though do so with caution, as it could bring unwanted attention. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 18) • When disguised, you take the name of a member of the opposing team who is of the respective class of your disguise. If you chose Pyro, and the enemy has no Pyro, an enemy name will be assigned randomly. It becomes increasingly dangerous to disguise yourself as a class that only has one representative on the other team. For example, if there is only one Demoman on the enemy team, and you disguise as him, you'd best make sure to avoid him. If said Demoman spots you, he'll likely notice that you're name is his own, as such, he'll make sure to notify his team that you're a Spy. He's also likely to personally see to it that you're dealt with... careful; sticky bombs are quite potent. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 19) • Calling for the enemy Medic is risky because in doing so you may reveal yourself to the person who's name has been assigned as your cover (e.g. Dan sees that "Dan" is calling for a medic... cover blown). ----------------------------------------------------------------- 20) • "Retreating" to the enemy (running backwards, facing your own team) makes you appear far less suspicious to the enemy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 21) • Your revolver loads fast, has 6 shots per round, and has 24 bullets in reserve for a total of 30 shots. In addition, it makes for a good Sniper. As you can accurately pick of enemies and Engineer establishments from afar. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 22) • If the Sentry is facing away from you, and the Engineer tending to it, stab the Engineer, then Sap immediately. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 23) • If you stab the Engineer first, and are dealing with a tier 3 sentry, strafing around the sentry in a fashion to avoid the rotating barrels helps to avoid being shot while trying to Sap. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 24) • Find areas in maps where enemies seem to congregate (e.g. choke points), come from behind and stab them. Then repeat the cycle in a "looping" fashion. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 25) • Try to join enemy ranks from a natural place to avoid suspicion, this will also lead way to many backstabs. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 26) • While cloaked, disguise, or change your disguise, as to avoid the "cloud" effect from giving you away to the enemy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 27) • Always cloak at the last possible second, though always before entering enemy sights. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 28) • Disguising as a friendly Pyro is a great way for handling enemy Spies, as they will avoid you in an obvious fashion. It also deters Spies from targeting you. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 29) • A Spy can now use a tele negating the glow effect so long as said Spy is disguised as an enemy when he uses the teleporter. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 30) • Hunt enemy medics, as they are critical to the enemy's advancement. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 31) • A Spy disguised as the enemy can gain health from the enemy's cart. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 32) • Use the water to your advantage. While cloaked in the water, if clipped be enemy fire, thus shimmering to the enemy, the diffraction of the water can help to hide you. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 33) • Use the roundabout way to avoid crossfire. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 34) • Each time a disguise is changed, so to does the Spy's health that is visible to the enemy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 35) • After stabbing an Engineer in the back, make sure to rotate around his sentry avoiding the barrels, then sap. ***************************************************************** -Section 9) Closing [A9] ----------------------------------------------------------------- We've spent a ton of time on this faq, and as such we hope it has proven helpful to you. The Spy is truly a one-of-a-kind class, an experience that you won't endure in any other game. We hope that through our efforts you guys are honing your Spy skills, becoming better and better each day. For many, a Spy faq has been greatly desired, and hopefully this faq is the answer that you've been looking for. Good luck on your quest of mastering the Spy! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Email Us: Feel free to e-mail either of us with suggestions (we're always open to suggestions!), or comments. You could also e-mail us as a form of thanks and praise, haha. jk. --but you could. :P If you suggest something that isn't already in this guide, and we decide to post it, we'd be more than happy to accredit you having helped us out, and will mention your suggestion below. (Delkin525 aka sR + Orca) - delkin525@gmail.com (nodforlife) - nodforlife@yahoo.com ================================================================= Accredited Suggestions ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you: ----------------------------------------------------------------- AlcyOne (aka Bulblax): For helping me to proof-read a majority of the guide. No matter how many times I read something of my own, I miss the obvious errors because my mind knows what it's supposed to say. As such, I skip over many mistakes without even recognizing them. Thankfully, I'm not the only moron who does this as it is inherently part of being human. We all make mistakes. -Delkin Lancevol: For pointing out other points that make the Spy disguise a risky one. After having received your comments I took to swapping the Spy disguise from the good disguise list, to the bad disguise list. -Delkin Insolence: For pointing out how useful seeking refuge from a sentry behind a dispenser can be. In some scenarios, after stabbing an Engineer in the back, you can't revolve around the sentry to sap it, due to it's positioning. Instead, you can quickly back off seeking shelter behind the dispenser, re-disguise, then pop out sapping the sentry and the dispenser. -Delkin johnie102: For informing me that in more current updates the Spy can now use teles safely due to the fact that the glow is no longer there. I would have realized this sooner myself, however, I stopped playing the game for quite a few months. As such, I was not aware of Valve's updates. He also wanted me to stress some obvious aspect of the Sniper disguise. -Delkin ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= Reader Comments: (Recieved via E-mail) ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you have any brief insane stories about your experience as Spy, or if you E-mail us stating that this guide has helped you, we will ask permission that we post it here. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nick: Dear Delkin525, Thank you for making this guide. The spy has always been my favorite class, I just love when you can take out two medic- heavy teams. Before this guide I was ok, but made many mistakes and couldn't usually take out sentries. Now I do good and can get mvp most rounds no problem. Btw I read your well guide also, and you really know what you are talking about. That strategy is flawless. I love the part where you take out the snipers and then go out the window, drop down the side, and take out a large group near the trains. I got 7 back stabs each life like 3 or 4 lives in a row until somebody caught on. ----------------------------------------------------------------- We will be sure to post more in the future. As it stands we've cleaned out our in-boxes recently, and could only salvage one. The only other e-mails I could find were suggestion based. Perhaps there will be more e-mails to come. ***************************************************************** -Section 10) Copyright [A10] ----------------------------------------------------------------- ©2007/2008 Please don’t post this faq without giving credit to us (delkin525 / nodforlife). If you decide to post this else where, please e-mail us notifying us of its location. In addition please don’t edit this faq or take from it our content. 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