• SpadesSlick - May 24, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    I'm frankly surprised it has taken as long as this for something to be implemented. Anything that get developers their fair share is good, who cares if gamestop's profits get eaten into.
  • MrXLiebezeit - May 24, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    Who said the devs are getting their fair share?
  • SpadesSlick - May 24, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Fair might have been the wrong word. They are getting some share though, which is better than no share. It's a lot more fair than Gamestop raking in all the profit while developers get squat because they charge five dollars less for a used copy.
  • BladedFalcon - May 24, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    You really don't understand how this works, do you. If anything, gamestop is the LEAST impacted by this, they have enough money to pay MS's fee, and they can sell used games at any rate they want, and heck, with this, they can even justify themselves in selling used games at an even MORE unfair price. And since this WILL kill the smaller, local business, the competition will be trimmed down to gamestop's benefit. That, and you're really naive if you think publishers will share their profit with the developer. At most, the only benefit the developer gets out of it is that they might not get shut down, but that's it.
  • SpadesSlick - May 24, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    How does this not impact gamestop? Gamestop is limited by the amount they can charge for a game because they have to make it low enough for the consumer to choose a used copy over a new. They can try to pass that expense off to the guy trading in his games, but more people will just opt to not sell their games instead. Gamestop goes from some money to no money in that scenario. And if you aren't aware, GameStop is already effectively a monopoly. Mom and pop Gamestores have gone the way of Blockbuster. At least they have in California. Can't speak for elsewhere in the country.
  • BladedFalcon - May 24, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    Um... you do realize that the profit margin on used games for gamestop is HUGE, right? Let's say you're right, and they don't raise the price for used games, even if MS gets a cut now, Gamestop still makes loads of money, AND they are now even more justified at charging those prices because of that. To uninformed consumers, it'll make gamestop look like the victim (Which yes, we both know that's BS, but you can bet your ass a lot of people would fall for it.) What I'm saying is, this only really hurts smaller stores. which STILL exists everywhere, not just on the US. The only way this would really hurt gamestop is if the Xbone blocked used games outright, making gamestop completely unable to sell them, THAT is what would kill them, not this.
  • ZeeCaptain - May 25, 2013 3:34 a.m.

    BladedFalcon is right you know GStop has no limit to what they charge, hell they could charge more for a used copy then a new one, and yes they keep it as low as they want for making profit, but still you see brand new games that just came in used, the new copy is still 60 bucks + tax, or the used in say 54 no tax, I'd bite the bullet and shell out for a new one, but I still see plenty who take the 8~ dollar gambit and feel they came out on top
  • FoxdenRacing - May 24, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    I'm sure every friendly neighborhood game store that isn't gamestop does! As will gamers, the first time there's a false positive that unlinks a game from an account, or when anyone involved in the chain pulls an Amazon...yanking games from someone's library on a whim, with no refunds. The infrastructure isn't viable for 100% DD, any as ISPs like to try and get by with the minimum investment possible, may never be. Trying to force a transition to DD is done at one's own peril.
  • AqueousBoy - May 24, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    So... what stops the retailers from making Sony the winner of the newest generation? If Sony doesn't have the same restrictions, they could just put all the PS stuff up front and not carry any used Xbox games. The presence of all that PS product would no doubt have a positive effect on new PS sales too.
  • GR_RyanTaljonick - May 24, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    There's no guarantee Sony's not going to be doing something similar. It hasn't talked at all about its pre-owned plans.
  • Squander - May 24, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    good point! Lets hope this will not become common practice... But if I remember well, Raines only appraised Microsoft in his public statements, right?
  • SpadesSlick - May 24, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    Don't think Sony is going to not roll with this. This heavily incentivises devs to create content for the one over another console as they are guaranteed more profit per equal sales on microsoft's console.
  • Squander - May 24, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    as far as I know it is the publisher who receives incentives - developpers are not taken into account as far as news are at the moment. I can image that Sony somehow involves PSN in relation to used games...we will see
  • BladedFalcon - May 24, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    That's assuming Xbone sales would be higher or equal than PS4 sales if they don't implement this kind of thing... Which is a big IF.
  • PatHan-bHai - May 24, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Not unless if the other side calls you backward.
  • BladedFalcon - May 24, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    Yep, Sony HAS been pretty vague on that front, which is certainly suspicious. They did say after the PS4 reveal that the PS4 certainly plays used games... But that was it. Let's hope that when they shed more light into this it won't be to reveal a similar crooked tactic.
  • SpadesSlick - May 24, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    Sony's bleeding money out the butthole, don't think they will mind all that much making some extra change. I actually wonder if this might lead retailers to pushing the Wii U more, as they will get bigger cuts of game sales. Of course without a similar system in place, third parties are going to flock from the wii u in droves (as if they haven't already). But really that's par for the course for a post n 64 nintendo console.
  • SpadesSlick - May 24, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    And if Sony didn't have a similar system in place, they would be gloating like motherfuckers right around now. Sony's letting microsoft take most the flak and get the audience used to the idea before they reveal they have the same tech in place.
  • BladedFalcon - May 24, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    Actually... Sony's making a return to profitability right now. Also, This is not at all the reason why the Wii U lacks third party support. It lacks third party support for the same reason every single Nintendo console has lacked party support since the N64: Nintendo doesn't know how to make good deals with them.
  • SpadesSlick - May 24, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    Well that and the fact that their is no money in it for the publishers. Given the choice between Madden on the PS4/ One or on the Wii U, a consumer is going to take it on the former 95% of the time.

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