Wii U release date and price confirmed

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Really? No included Pro Controller?

I'm glad to see that not everyone commenting is willing to jump out of their skin to get a Wii U come launch day (BladedFalcon) and I thank you for it. Actually stirring relevant conversation and bringing up valid points always helps conversation. A new console releasing is exciting, but too many people become blinded by what they want to believe. The most powerful system on the market and all of a sudden that means its the best? Just in case you weren't aware, it's all about the games. It always has been and always will be. The PS3 by and far is the released with the most advanced tech inside of it, but didn't have the games the 360 did for quite some time. It's a very poor arguing point. Unfortunately Nintendo has been stagnant with their games for a very, very long time now. Sure they're getting Mass Effect 3 Arkham City, etc, people are getting excited. Cool as it might be to play some of those games on a Nintendo system, we've had those games for almost a year now. Mark my words, after a scant few exclusives we'll be seeing less and less of the third party and more of what we're used to seeing in the world of Nintendo and that means Zelda, Mario, yadda, yadda. Nintendo wants to innovate and this is their first real big shot at trying to do internet connectivity right. I hope they succeed, but I'm more than skeptical about it. If they want to innovate they need to start where its core is; the games. I'm sick of seeing Nintendo constantly play it safe with their franchises. As much of a Zelda fan as I am, I haven't been excited about a Zelda game in a very, very long time. I also still haven't forgiven them for their befuddling abandonment of Star Fox and their inability to make another great Metroid game (don't even talk to me about Other M). There's much more to say, but I think you all get my point. I'll be holding off on the Wii U. Do I want it to do well? Do I want to see Nintendo come out of its shell? How could I say no? I just think after this initial excitement wears off, you'll see this whole thing just blow away and then the true next-generation will begin. This is a minor thing, but it's still something that drives me insane. Memory. Everyone always screws this up and I get that it can be confusing. Memory and space are NOT the same thing. The 8GB version can be called memory because it's using flash-memory for storage (like the 360 without the hard-drive). The 32GB version is space. Just space.

Give me a reason, Nintendo. Give me some kind of reason to buy this thing. I already own a decent chunk of your 'launch window' lineup, most of the rest will be on my 360, your big first party games are Pikmin and yet another 'New Super F*ck It The Fanboys Will Buy Anything', and your hardware is-once again-barely as good as the current gen.

But..but... we have a new controller! And we have inverted buttons! - says Nintendo

Very excited, hoping to find out when Pikmin 3 will be out because that game is my numero uno. Probably going to pick up the deluxe as 24 GB more for $50 is probably a must have. Does the standard have everything in that bundle you listed?

On the surface, the (UK) price doesn't seem too bad for the premium kit. But the thing is, I tend to keep a lot of games on my PS3 and 360 HDDs as I like to replay a lot of them for trophies etc. I'm constantly having to rearrange stuff on my 60gb PS3 so 32gb is not exactly ideal. Sure, you can buy an external drive but even then you're talking an extra £50+ on top of the console price for a substantial hard drive (500gb and upwards anyway). Although obviously, that's the extreme end of the scale. And then there's the games. I have always loved Nintendo since I first got a Game Boy but I've only bought two Wii games in the past two years (had it not been for Skyward Sword I'd have sold it ages ago) after buying quite a few titles during the first year of its lifespan and at launch. With the Wii U however, there's really only ZombiU that's piqued my interest but not enough to make me want to buy a whole new console for it. Especially with games like AC3, FarCry 3 and all the others coming out at the same time. So for me, I think I'll wait it out for either a price drop, a redesign (with a bigger HDD), more AAA games, or most importantly - a new Zelda. Whichever comes first, I don't mind too much.

what is the difference between a stand and a cradle? Also 32 gigs is not nearly enough... I filled my 20 gig 360 fairly quickly.

32 gigs is quite enough, the Wii memory for me never got close to being full and I own around 25 games. Xbox and PS3 games take up a lot of space.

Wii also wasn't HD format. This is not the Wii. Memory could very easily be taken up quickly for all we know.

Am I the only one who finds it extremely bizarre that Nintendo is launching a new console in both US and UK before it launches in Japan? Weird.

The wii was out in America first aswell.

it all has to do with Christmas. Americans and Europeans spend big money in November and December for Christmas shopping so Nintendo puts most of their resources in getting it out at that time. It's not as urgent to get it out in Japan

Its all about an HD Nintendo. Forget about comparing it to other consoles, or the new PS and Xbox. This is Nintendo trying to stand on its own with internet and HD. You want an HD Mario? An HD Zelda? Have it with your Wii U. Wii U isnt next gen, no matter what anyone says. Wii U is the next evolution for the Wii.

That is... not a bad price. People like to complain about how the 3DS was so expensive when it first came out but then again so was the PS3. In fact, the PS3 is the highest we've ever initially paid for a basic console. This pricing is actually fair, and I will be getting the Premium. I just hope it's cross compatible with other Nintendo games.

Ok, so the Wii U looks like it is gonna retail around about £280 for us UK folk. Thats incl. VAT. I think it is a pretty neat bundle that you get, not forgetting you can trade in your original Wii to knock money off the price. Thats what Im going to be doing. Memory wise, I will be getting the premium bundle, 32GB is plenty. And Nintendo have also confirmed that you can plug a regular old HDD into your Wii U and add extra memory. So you could plug in a 2T HDD if you wanted for maximum space. The reason for this is because HDD prices are plummeting and offering a better opportunity for those who want to invest. This also lowers the price for a console from Nintendo that will be the most powerful console on the market until Sony and Microsoft launch their next-gen consoles. Nintendo are being clever about this, they have pretty much a full year to lead the way and make the Wii U successful, testing the ground before the competitors throw out their consoles. This also means that more people will become accustomed to the Wii U. Nintendo aren't fighting for next-gen-awesome-realistic-graphics just yet, they are fighting for the user base, as they have always done. The Wii did incredibly well. I have every faith in this console and in Nintendo, and when Nintendo do rise their game some years down the line, they will do it yet again. I work in the games industry and I am an avid gamer, I think the Wii U will do well :) What I would like to know though, is how much the Zombie U premium game edition will be with pro controller and also how much the games in general will be. I am planning to take quiet a haul on the 30th November, best get saving ;)

What do you people do, download a game and leave it there? I don't know about anyone else, but I always delete a game after I've finished it, even if I have 40gb+ of space. It's really not a hardship to delete and redownload later if you want to replay it. I'd rather that than spending an extra £50 for more memory I'll never use...

Honestly this is going to be the first console I ever purchase on day 1. 32gb of memory is plenty for me since I rarely buy digital games for my consoles in the first place and an actual line up of launch titles. I'm seriously tempted to just trade in my PSVita/PSV games toward it .

And seriously as far as price goes I'm surprised anyone else is surprised. It's a brand new console, the fact that it can run games on the get go just as well(if not better) than current gen consoles just prove the kind of potential it has for when devs get used to the hardware(just look up launch 360 games... not too impressive compared to what it has now).