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  • Sebakan - March 16, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    Finally someone thinks like me. I totally agree with you, and extends this argument to other kind of graphic arts like manga and anime. Are you looking Kill La Kill animé, for axample? That think the fathers and mothers of the japanese children when they see this on tv? Japanese people have a really hard problem with that.
  • Kurbster - March 16, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    Many of the more risque shows are shown late at night. Do some research before opening your mouth
  • Sebakan - March 16, 2014 1:59 p.m.

    Dude, that's not the point. Practically you can take any anime/manga/game(japanese) and look that the girls/women are all stereotyped and sexualized. Thats the point.
  • Kurbster - March 16, 2014 2:04 p.m.

    and....who gives a crap outside your little SJW circlejerk. Japan doesn't...and that's all that matters at the end of the day. Go turn the western industry into a hugbox for all I care
  • akaiderp - March 16, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    > (THAT ARE OVER THE AGE OF 18 AND CONSENTING) You what? They are fucking DRAWINGS.
  • Huehuehue - March 16, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    You don't have to justify what you enjoy to anybody but yourself. If you enjoy games filled with characters with big breasts and skimpy clothing, then play them. Nothing wrong with sexual themes in video games. Don't let idiots like the guy who wrote this article sway your opinions. He probably hangs out with a bunch of feminists who hate anything that "objectifies wimminz". Oh, and nice job generalizing Japanese games, stupid.
  • Kurbster - March 16, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    I really wish we could just ignore these obvious clickbaiters, but they are running the western industry now. The problem is that they're not happy with just destroying the western industry....they want the japanese industry as well. And as this author just did, they're going to try using the public image shaming technique to do it.
  • Morethan3words - March 16, 2014 10:02 a.m.

    I'm sorry, everyone needs to go to the Deception IV site right now and look at the ESRB notice at the bottom: http://www.tecmokoeiamerica.com/deception4/main.html "Viorence"? really? is that happening right now?
  • Jackonomics2.0 - March 16, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    Also are you just talking about Japan in general or just JRPG's? Cause Japan still makes neat things these days outside the genre.
  • silliness - March 16, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    Yeah. That SMTIV and Bravely Default were so terrible with their lewdness. All that sexualization in the grossly popular Persona series really ruins it completely. Hell, even another terrible bust-oriented JRPG, Dark Souls II, is setting the cause back generations. Of course, the fact that every aspect of every videogame ever made is pandering to some target group (real or otherwise) is completely irrelevant to the discussion, and this definitely isn't about being upset that one MINORITY of one genre isn't pandering to you and your ideals specifically, and you feel the need to try and shame people and companies for not conforming therein to what you believe MUST be the ideal ideals. Nope, definitely isn't that. Surely the gross inhumanity of games where you [mass] murder other people are far worse than games where people (even the men, oh the humanity) are sexualized. Surely a bullet to the brain is a much more important topic that a boob and a butt.
  • SomeOddGuy - March 16, 2014 5:27 p.m.

    You probably should use better examples for your sarcastic statement, considering Bravely Default DID get censored in the US/UK and had some rather (hilarious) lewd scenes related to 'sex appeal'. Shin Megami Tensei IV indeed has some risque character designs and dialog, and Persona is equally guilty of that, especially in 4 where you are treated to a particularly 'fabulous' Kanji... The grey spot for a topic like this does seem to be absent since there's hardly room for anyone to really say there could be adjustments, since it's either treated as you're either for censorship or against it entirely when the matter of topic should be 'is it too extreme for me?' I wouldn't say something like Soul Caliber IV is too much an extremity on 'fan service', especially to the likes of Senran Kagura, but it is a point people are touchy about. Hell, just to balance out the side for the men, try to play Muscle March with a completely straight face... Violence, sex appeal, foul language, even topic matter are all things of confusion when it comes down to 'offensive content' and the definition of where the boundaries lie. When used to their extremes, we see all sorts of horrendous results ranging from Postal, God of War, Battle Raper, to even user made games with purely the intention of 'offending.' We've even seen some games censored for their topic matter dependent on certain countries, and not just because of sexual content or violence. It's just agreed upon that each country has their own 'border' on what flies and what doesn't. The only one I don't mind between them all I'd have to say would be swearing since I love House of the Dead: Overkill, and in particular it never really has the intention to 'offend' even when it attempts to. And the obligated tl;dr pointer- Different countries = Different sensitivity. There's always something that everyone is offended by.
  • Jackonomics2.0 - March 16, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    Japan doesn't give a shit, you could argue Nintendo keeps using Kiddy Graphics in their otherwise great games that don't appeal to Dudebros.
  • Kurbster - March 16, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    Holy bloody hell....you whiteknights and SJWs are a whiny bunch. I've gotten tired of the brown and grey post-apocalyptic "cinematic" games you westerners seems to love these days (Last of Us), so I went over to mostly playing jap games now. I don't demand that you change your industry to make it more colorful and light-hearted to fit my tastes. Westerners think they are on top of the world, like the only thing that matters is what they collectively see as a "good game". Hate to break it to you, but when it comes to Japanese devs, they care about Japan first. Many games that are localized in the west are only done because there's a sizable otaku culture who demand that the games be as authentic to the original Japanese experience as possible. They don't bring these games over for the Halo or Call of Duty kiddies. I'm can't believe I'm going to use the words of Derek Smart here, but he is right about one thing: If you don't like the game, then it's not for you.
  • MrPkhead - March 16, 2014 5:52 a.m.

    Massive love for this article. Enormous. My own take is that I am insulted by the notion that I need some level of titillation, without plotting context or gameplay relevance, in order to engage with a game. It's ridiculous and it's demeans me as the player and the writers of what may be an otherwise excellent game (that MGSV sniper link disappointed me, thanks for the steer). And for that matter it demeans every woman being implicitly told that their looks matter vastly more to society than any other aspect of her being, and absolutely to every man (or non-, but it does seem to be largely directed at men) being implicitly told that society expects and accepts that we'll be dribbling, priapic liabilities whatever else is going on in our lives. Certain technology magazines are guilty of the lesser offence of adorning covers and pages with bikini-ed women (and as far as I can tell it is exclusively women). There's no contextual reason for it, it's just "Here's a quad-core Android with an AMOLED screen that'll make your eyes grateful for their rods and cones. And my boobs." It certainly isn't just Japanese culture that does this, and there's no hypocrisy in highlighting this example without citing others for the purposes of this article. But the idea that the author used to feel less uncomfortable with these aspects of these games and has grown more so (which I don't believe the author actually suggested) is in NO WAY a bad thing. We mature as individuals, as does our perspective on what we want from our society. Which society is, as another poster pointed out, is becoming increasingly globalised as we consume products from the other side of the planet. Our standards of ourselves and others grow as we do, and I've nothing but respect for someone acknowledging that they have raised their expectations of themselves. And of course it's not about being prudish or puritanical. Campaigns like No More Page 3 and Everyday Sexism have made it pretty clear that people can view each other as sexual beings without viewing each other as sexual objects, and that seems to be what's called for here. People grow up, society grows up. Games have absolutely grown up, but there's still more to do. I suspect one start of that is increasing vocalisation of the idea that we want games with rich characters, complex plotting, clever interfaces or whatever but that we can do so without throwing the controller / keyboard down after twenty minutes screaming "Y NO MOAR BEWBS!?" in betrayed confusion if no one has heaved a bosom or two in our direction in the interval. If games are made better by making characters more engaging for players and by refusing to depersonalise half of humanity, literally no one loses. Massive love for this article.
  • nick-stancato - March 15, 2014 8:20 p.m.

    Thank you for this article. I'm convinced that Japanese devs have the maturity level of 15 year old boys half the time. Sexual objectification of clearly pre-18 girls for an adult audience is disgusting to say the least. And I refuse to give money to the devs who peddle this nonsense
  • Funkzillabot - March 15, 2014 6:25 p.m.

    The problem is…….. The Japanese don’t think it’s a problem. HENCE the problem continues. You take a closeted, restricted culture, use the most shallowness part of sex in order to sell a few copies of the latest….whatever. And BOOM. It works, every single time. Why would they stop now? So whether the Americans and the Europeans have a problem with it, (and we do.) Does it matter - because the Japanese are not going to “Stop doing that” just because WE ask them too. But, I agree with you. When they put this unsexy, childish, pointlessness in something -- just for the sake of doing so. It make the dev team, the enjoyment of the game, and the Japanese culture on a whole look utterly superficial. And I KNOW that is not true — However, that is how it looks.
  • Vonter - March 15, 2014 7:27 p.m.

    I could say the same with the western glorification of violence. Hence the problem continues...
  • Divine Paladin - March 16, 2014 4:58 a.m.

    Japan isn't exactly exempt from that issue, either, though. Not that I disagree with your point.
  • Danter72 - March 15, 2014 5:42 p.m.

    A lot of people seem rather conformist about this issue, half the comments are either "deal with it" or "i don't like it either but i just ignore it and its fine". That's and outright wrong attitude, if someone wants to play JRPG's without being bothered by this its in their right to complain, and its the duty of developers and publishers alike to take responsibility for this problem. We can't keep this attitude of "what about violent games?" or "what if I like it?" if we want society to progress we need to stop this kind of stuff that diminishes society, and the first step to it its to face that its a real problem to some people and to be vocal about our opinions. If we take the stance of deal with it, our society would never progress. What if we responded to every problem in our society with the "deal with it"? segregation? deal with it. sexism? deal with it. child abuse? deal with it. Some people say this is not a big deal, but games are part of our culture, and our culture represents what our society stands for and what is based in. Isn't it sad that most of our culture talks about sex and violence with the mere purpose of attracting audience by exploiting our most hedonistic senses? what those it say from us? from humanity as a whole? Anyway, maybe its only a big deal as long as we make it a big deal, I believe there is nothing such as bad publicity and maybe this kind of discussions give more publicity to this games than they deserve. I believe the best option is to ignore this kind of games, and they will eventually die of isolation, kind of poetic I guess, those games that exploit the human need of sexual company dying of disinterestedness.
  • Vonter - March 15, 2014 7:32 p.m.

    That'll not happen, entertainment (one of the pillars of gaming) has these tendencies engraved into it. Instead of having the simple mentality of eliminating it, we should demand creators challenge themselves to justify the use of both violence to show the dark side of human nature and sexuality to show how love and beauty is in different levels.
  • Danter72 - March 16, 2014 9:26 p.m.

    Oh of course it shouldn't be eliminated, sorry if I expressed myself in a way that seemed to indicate that. Violence and sex are a great tool for developers to convey many aspects of our society. It's of course the misuse of this subjects that is not right. I would even dare to say that some games that have "supposedly" exploited this subjects for mere thoughtless entertainment are actually justifiable, like the violence in God of War or the sex scenes in Mass Effect, because they actually enhance the experience they are trying to convey and honestly wouldn't be the same game without them. Its this kind of games that the article cites that obviously use sex (or any other gimmick that exploits our hedonistic pleasures) just to gain attention and sell. But even those truthfully will never disappear completely, what I'm saying is that if we don't pay attention to them they will probably stop showing so strongly in mainstream media. The real problem is that it is seemingly impossible to get a modern JRPG without this misuse of sexuality and that many people don't seem to care about that.
  • Vonter - March 16, 2014 10:12 p.m.

    I agree, there is a bit of apathy there on both gaming, and anime, there's seem to be a lack of trying. But like many things that get tedious it'll fall apart in some way. Since well if I may be a bit cynic for a moment, excess become boring and tedious after some time. Doing what you like isn't a waste of time, but you have to be aware when it stops being done for fun/enjoyment/joy because that's when it starts becoming more an obsession than something you do because of liking it.
  • n00b - March 15, 2014 3:41 p.m.

    Throw away that misguided feeling called shame and embrace the service.

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