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  • matthew-lawrence - September 11, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    Ok, not meaning to shit on anyone but lets be honest here. FFVII is a good game, no doubt. A groundbreaking game, no doubt. A game that delivered an experience unlike any before it, no doubt. But is it so good that we still drool over it til today? Unfortunately, yes. Full of cliche characters, drawling monologues, jeer inspiring story and absolutely no challenge. FFVII is a good game despite these faults, no doubt. But everything it began...FFVIII PERFECTED. First off. Boss battles. By level 50 I had destroyed all bosses except for Ruby Weapon, whom I did not defeat for lack of interest. After beating Sephiroth and the two or three other weapons I retired this game to a buddy of mine. In FFVIII you couldn't even attempt some of the boss battles unless you were beyond level 70 and almost geared to max. Remember the Ultimecia/Griever end fight? Or Omega Weapon? How about the first time you opened the Magic Lamp to be utterly and completely destroyed by Diablo? FFVIII brought everything that FFVII had to offer to the table and revamped, edited and honed the edges to a sharpened point. Difficulty is key in a game, if I can breeze through it and complete 90% of the game without even being near the level cap than the game fails to deliver the challenge. Secondly, in my copy of the game, Ethers were so rare that I couldn't even use my mage (pardon me for forgetting his name, it has been 5 or 6 years since I played FFVII). Apparently I'm the only who had this bug? Cause I had to travel to the one crystal cave and spend hours stealing from monsters in order to keep myself stocked with ethers/elixirs. They never showed up in shops on my copy. Thirdly (and an extension of point number 2) because of this bug FFVIII's junction/draw magic system was AMAZING. Sure you had to spent a lot of time drawing magic, but for a player who in FFVIII never used magic (especially later in the game) this was the greatest aspect of the game. You draw magic...attach it to a characters stat and BOOM. His strength goes from 50 to 250 with the help of 100 Ultima Magics. Level 100 and only have 4000 HP? Add 100 Full Life or 100 Curaga to it and BOOM! 9,999 HP. Fourthly, the GF system is awesome. In every way its awesome awesome awesome and off the bone. While they could be extraordinarily powerful (Doomtrain and Eden anyone?) these GF's could prevent you from dying in those ridiculous "this boss hits your whole party with a shot that does 9,998 damage and then sweeps you with an AOE sword attack to wipe you out before you have a chance to do jack" (Omega Weapon?). All you would do is summon then and let them take a beasty hit, die, and then you were all ready to survive that almost always deathly blow. Lastly, the visuals. FFVII looked gorgeous when it first came out...now a days...not so much. Even the cutscenes are ugly by today's standards. Have you watched the intro/outro scenes for FFVIII lately? They STILL look damn good. The GF animations, while obviously dated, still look a helluva lot better than anything we've seen in a FF game since. I'm not disputing that FFVII is a good game. It is a good game, no doubt. But people go bat shit crazy over FFVII and FFVIII (while it has higher ratings than FFVII on many gaming sites) is often forgotten about. Why? No other reason than FFVII came first and those who played VII first couldn't adjust to the advances and the advantages of FFVIII. I argue with a buddy of mine all the time who says "I couldn't understand the whole junction/GF system." Neither could I on my first playthrough. See that's where VIII is beautiful and superior. VII is a fun blast one time through, I could never sit down and play it from start to finish again because it'd be the exact same experience. VIII is more difficult, it takes trial and error and you will miss A LOT. A LOT. A LOT. A whole hell of a lot on your first playthrough. But the beauty is in the replay value, when you sit down and play it again and go..."wow, this isn't as complicated as I thought", or "holy shit, I didn't get this GF before!" Or the glory of venturing deep into the Deep Sea Research Center at level 50, being broken, battered, and bruised by Blue and Ruby Dragons only to come upon Ultima Weapon and drawing Eden from him and casting Eden upon your enemies to watch them die after one summon. Or the totally awesome fight with Omega Weapon which is nearly impossible to do unless you have the right items, the right team and the right weapon for Squall "I'll hit you 100 times for 9,999 damage each shot and you still won't go down!" Leonheart. Seriously, sit down with FFVIII with a walkthrough (just so you don't miss all the goodies) and I assure you it will be the most mesmerizing FF experience ever.
  • matthew-lawrence - September 11, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    I forgot two things. I LOVED the games room in FFVII. Some of the best fun I had in the game was the bike game. HOWEVER! The FFVIII card game was so addictive. Hunting down rare cards, playing with sucky rules in other schools/towns and losing cards was frustrating to a point of MADNESS. Yet it was one of the most rewarding aspects to a game EVER. The only more rewarding thing about the card game was finally beating that tough son of a bitch Omega Weapon after countless tries and fails.
  • Thedigitalg - July 5, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    You just pointed out why the FF8 Draw system was awful. You don't need to do anything other than draw from a weak monster over and over, once a disc. No challenge.
  • william-thomas - September 20, 2012 5:06 p.m.

    This all the way!
  • WreckXLess - July 5, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    FFVIII sucked compaired to FFVII, lol the magic system was lame and Flawed drawing from monsters and people you fight, missing out on GFs(summons) cause u didnt draw it from the boss you just fought, graphics were majorly flawed cant see characters faces except during battles & cinematics. I beat FFVIII 2 times and ive played FFVII more than a dozen times and would play it again. FFVIII was not better than FFVII, Period.
  • Viron - September 10, 2012 11:14 p.m.

    the comments section is just a perfect example of why you can never have a pleasant FF discussion. No matter what it will always turn into a poo throwing match. And to everyone, it doesn't matter if the other person looks stupid, it doesn't matter if the majority agrees with you, all that matters is that you are still picking up shit and throwing it at someone else, just like the other person. Take a step back and think: does it really matter? No, it doesn't because it's the fucking internet. We all need to just get over ourselves.
  • jonny_anonymous - September 10, 2012 4:16 p.m.

    I love all Final Fantasy games. thats right, you heard me.
  • einhazard - September 10, 2012 5:26 p.m.

    EVEN XIV?!
  • infestedandy - September 10, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    Nice article. These are all valid points on why Final Fantasy VII is an extremely memorable game and an excellent experience. If you haven't played it yet, grab it on the PSN for $10. Also, I think GamesRadar needs to get a little more strict on the people who comment in articles (and you know who you are). Reading what other peoples' thoughts are isn't fun when all of them are two people bickering over each other. Perhaps a limit on how many times you can post in an article would clear this up.
  • zombi3grim - September 12, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    Shut the fuck up
  • snakins - September 10, 2012 5:59 a.m.

    It did change the way alot of people looked at JRPGs. We didn't all play on FFVI on the snes. I loved this game, got dead excited when it came out and played it to death. It got me deeper into games than other PS1 titles at the time. Just wish I had got the PS1 re-release of FFVI as well!
  • ashton-creed - November 23, 2013 4:45 a.m.

    try game centre they sometimes ship over seas
  • BaraChat - September 9, 2012 8:57 p.m.

    Someone at GamesRadar really should clean up this whole mess down here. I've never seen a comment section this dirty in all my years reading GR articles. On Topic, I never even tried FF7, and now I feel even more guilty about it. I will probably get to it soon...
  • lazer59882 - September 9, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    agreed on that first part. grim needs his comments deleted and his username revoked...again.
  • einhazard - September 9, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    I still feel like VI was a better game, but maybe that's because it's very nostalgic for me. That said, Sephiroth just seemed like a really weak antagonist compared to Kefka, who is batshit insane and wonderful for it.
  • lazer59882 - September 9, 2012 1:35 a.m.

    "Without Final Fantasy VII, you might have continued to stick to shooters, platformers, or whatever your preferred genre was, and missed out on the many amazing role-playing games to be released in the last 15 years." go ahead, someone defend that awful, blatantly generic viewpoint from the perspective of someone like myself, whose first RPG experience was years before this game. please, someone please explain to me how it's not condescending, and why i shouldn't be offended by it.
  • Setlok17 - September 9, 2012 3:13 a.m.

    Grow up you big baby. If you hate this site so much and always have something to complain about how about you just don't visit this site anymore? They were addressing all their readers with you, not your dumbass in particular. And you can go ahead and use your "big boy" vocabulary all you want but swearing isn't helping your case in any way. You sound like the little kids on Halo or CoD
  • Dante1924 - September 9, 2012 3:05 p.m.

    That statement, admittedly, is stupid. She probably meant that it made RPGS even more mainstream than they were before (because let's face it, it's the first RPG many people played and that's why it's called the greatest game ever by many, even though it was never, and won't ever be the greatest ever). That one sentence, however, is not enough to get this bullshit statement of yours enough traction that she is the worst article writer on this website, that she is condescending, and all of that. Insulting other commenters like myself and Viron who just point out that you're mad a lot of times doesn't get you people that want to agree with you, and swearing like a sailor doesn't either. They just make you look like an asshole. That one sentence is the only evidence for your argument I can find in this article, and no, stating "you" does not qualify because she is not specifically talking to you, Lazer, she is talking about people who played the game in general, to the 90% of the people who played the game that enjoyed it. So please, take a deep breath, think for a while, and chill the hell out before commenting.

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