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Wii 2: We rate the likelihood of the current rumours

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As we reported yesterday, stories have sprung up all across the internet that Nintendo is readying its successor to Wii. It's been showing the hardware to developers, launch games are in development and we'll likely get our first glimpse of it at E3 this year. But more stories keep coming and they're conflicting. 'No gimmicks' and 'HD screen on the controller' sound contrary, no? So let's have a look at who's saying what and grade its likelihood.

 

Edge Online

  • System retains motion control with 'better fidelity than Move'

This one is a little surprising. You'd think it makes sense for a Wii 2 to have motion control, but as we'll see in a moment, nobody's saying 'Wii' has anything to do with the new machine's branding. Also, since Nintendo kick-started the motion control revolution, consensus around the GR office is that it's now ready to jump the boat just as Microsoft and Sony get on. The money's been made, the fad's dying out.

So is this really likely? Suffice to say, next gen motion control would undoubtedly be better than current gen motion control, making the 'better than PS Move' claim likely, even if motion control isn't.

 

 

CVG

  • Brand new controller with a built-in HD screen
  • More powerful than Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3
  • Full HD visuals
  • Backwards-compatible with Wii

'HD screen in the controller'? Has the world gone mad? If the controller supports motion control and houses an HD screen, there are two massive problems. Firstly, if you do smack it into a wall/your mate by mistake, you risk breaking the screen. Would you feel comfortable swinging around an iPhone 4 to play Wii Tennis? No.

Secondly, even if it isn't motion control compatible, what about the price? The cheapest controller-sized HD screen we know of would be the retina display in the most recent model iPod Touch. And that's around £180. Nintendo would never release a controller that costs anywhere near £100... would it? The price would be helped if it's the console itself doing the work and sending a video stream to the controller in a similar way to PSP and its Remote Play... but imagine if it was having to do that for four players at once and render a game on the main TV screen. Graphical quality would surely be compromised. Not that Nintendo's ever cared about that.

Couple that with the rumour that the machine is indeed an HD console of comparable power to 360 and PS3. Such a console would surely come at a more hefty price than the Wii does now. Adding on HD screens in motion sensitive controllers doesn't sound like the 'making vast profits on every machine' Nintendo we've grown used to over the past few years.

Finally, backwards compatibility with Wii is likely. Wii is compatible with Gamecube - and its control pads - so using Bluetooth to use your old Wii-mote with the new machine would be very easy to implement.

Oh, but what's this...?

 

Game Informer

  • 'Competitive' specs, could be better or worse than current rivals
  • Full HD visuals
  • May not have motion control or even Wii branding

Game Informer was first with the news, but conflicts with other reports with regard to motion controls. So which is it? The recurring concensus seems to be that the machine will have a brand new controller… and the rumour of an HD screen on it seems too widespread to be baseless. But what could that mean? If the controller itself does have these two features, then it could look a bit like an iPhone. Unless it's got buttons on it too, in which case it could look like a PSP. Or at least an original-style Game Boy Advance.

It's really hard to imagine. Sure, Nintendo gave us GBA connectivity with Gamecube for games like Zelda: Four Swords and Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, but neither game was wildly popular. And don't forget, Sony initially implied that PSP would be able to be used as a controller for PlayStation consoles... and that just didn't happen, did it? 

So, while competitive specs and HD visuals are assured, we're not convinced that the machine will drop motion control, especially as every other report states that it's in.

 

01.net

  • Custom IBM PowerPC CPU with three cores
  • GPU from the ATI R700 family with a shader unit at version 4.1
  • At least 512Mb of RAM
  • Backwards compatibility with both the Wii (including all peripherals) and GameCube games
  • Controller with six-inch touch screen, front-facing camera, D-Pad, two bumpers, two triggers and "possibly more"
  • Controller can allegedly be used as a Wii sensor bar.
  • Another "big surprise" about the console is set to be revealed at E3

This is the most recent report, and coming from the same site that leaked the NGP's specs before they were officially announced, this could well be the most believeable report of the lot. Sounds very much like the controller will resemble the bottom half of a DS. Think about it - your TV would act as the main display, while you'd hold a device that has accelerometers, touch control and its own screen.

But how that screen will work is anyone's guess. Anyone who used Dreamcast's Visual Memory LCD controller add-ons will tell you that the last thing you do when you're playing a game is look down to see what's happening on the controller. Nintendo would have to make it an integral part of the gameplay experience.

The tech specs are similar to Xbox 360's, only slightly more powerful and nice and cheap to manufacture - basically continuing from where Wii left off by packing five-years-old tech into a new shell. Only difference is now that the rest of the competition hasn't moved on in the mean-time. Damn clever move. After all, technical superiority didn't exactly work in Nintendo's favour before with N64 and was positively disastrous for Sega with Dreamcast. 

The amount of time left before Sony and Microsoft move onto a new generation may just be long enough for Nintendo's machine to join the market, scoop up its share of third-party multi-platform catalogue and offer new first-party games to give it an edge foe the next couple of years at least. Likelihood? Not sure about the sensor bar bit, but the rest looks very likely when you look at the rest of the rumours.

Honestly, the news is coming out as fast as I can type, so expect much more on this very soon. In the mean-time... what do you make of it? Let us know in the comments.

Sources: CVGEdge OnlineGame Informer01.net  

15 Apr, 2011

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63 comments

  • Rclark - April 21, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    Has anyone thoguht of this idea for the screen on the controller. You can actually put the 3DS in to play 3DS games on telly to help save power on the console. Which would also allow people to charge through the new console, much like the PS3 pads do.
  • ZigzMagoo - April 21, 2011 3:38 a.m.

    "There is nothing wrong with my English" One sentence later "Because you cound not prove it to save your life" lol. u crack me up
  • ZigzMagoo - April 21, 2011 12:42 a.m.

    It has a huge cult following cus its awesome. And how is your argument so superior with "However TimeSplitters went beyond that of halo." No valid argument there, no valid points. You fail. And how is "shit" a cuss word. Whatever, if it makes you feel as if your life is a little better by winning a debate on the internet, then go ahead. Try and learn some better English next time.
  • ZigzMagoo - April 20, 2011 4:25 a.m.

    Okay compare the 1.5 billion dollars made by the Halo industry, to the jackshit by TimeSplitters. If you want proof of the Wii graphics, just look it up man. Im not gonna copy and paste it. Its common shit
  • ZigzMagoo - April 19, 2011 2:52 a.m.

    No, the hardware in an Iphone is more advanced than a Wii. Dont try and lie and say that Halo 3, Gears of War 2, and GTA 4 were bad games, as they are some of the highest rated games of all time.
  • NeoTechni - April 18, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    It seems as if the statistical likelihood of them being true is inversely proportional to the number of miyamotos you gave Though I'd rate them all as near impossible.
  • johnthe5th - April 18, 2011 3:57 a.m.

    ZigzMagoo, both of the Mario Galaxy games received better reviews than any of the games you mentioned. In fact, according to Gamerankings, they are the 2nd and 3rd highest rated games of all time, beat only by a ZELDA game (hint hint). Plus, despite the obvious hardware limitations, both games managed to look AND sound better than most games on the HD consoles (besides the obvious Uncharted 2, Crysis 2, etc.). And I'm not just another Nintendo fanboy either. I own a PS3 and many of the games you mentioned (Oblivion, Uncharted games, Little Big Planet, Gran Turismo, etc.) and I can honestly say that none of them, save for Demon's Souls, the Team Ico games, and maybe Flower even comes close to the pure bliss that Nintendo games such as Zelda and Metroid Prime bring. But again, it's all about opinions. Just accept that and start being more open-minded.
  • Zepaw - April 18, 2011 3:02 a.m.

    I seriously don't get it. Why would you have a screen on the controller?
  • ZigzMagoo - April 18, 2011 12:43 a.m.

    The Wii has the worst graphics out of any console, including the PSP and the Iphone. Fact right there. I have 10 good points right there. The only reason it sold well was because it sold for like half the price of every other console. Its a gimmick console that lacks the greatest games of this console generation like Oblivion, Halo 3, Drakes Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Gears of War, Red Dead Redemption and GTA 4.
  • ZigzMagoo - April 17, 2011 8:13 p.m.

    @Bella Kazza Everybody knows that the Wii has terrible graphics. Everyone. Stop kidding yourself into thinking otherwise. I have a more powerful processor, more RAM, Better graphics card on my PHONE. Where are these Brawl tournaments? And that is one game out of hundreds released for the Wii. You listed 4 shooters, with only 1 or 2 of them being any good. All the rest of your points are basically agreeing with me. YOu can only really say its played competitively if it is played in MLG. And I have only ever seen Brawl played in MLG. One time.
  • extracurricular - April 17, 2011 9:14 a.m.

    This all sounds awesome. Microsoft and sony have both said there consoles will have longer life spans with sony saying ps3 would last 10 years or something and microsoft only just releasing kinect theres no way theu'll release a new console anytime soon. Totally probable the new nintendo console (won't be called wii 2) will have as good and probably better hardware. Count on something cooler than just HD visuals too. Nintendo seem to be moving away from the casual gaming market now microsoft have taken up the role. Its funny seeing all the 360/ps3 fanboys crying on sites that it won't be as good as there precious consoles. I own all three and I'm not scared that the my other two will be inferior to nintendos. grow up.
  • ZigzMagoo - April 17, 2011 7:02 a.m.

    @jackthemenace I didnt say there were no genres. I said that there was a lack of genres. I have also mentioned Super Mario Party, Black Ops, And Mario Cart Racing. Yes I have tried both Twilight Princess and Super Smash Bros. I hate Zelda, so to comment on that would be biased, but I tried Brawl, and it is really only fun for an hour or two. Not like the original, where you can, and I literally have played it for hours and days. So it looks like your rebuttal was "pure stupidity" as you either skimmed my post or lack the skills to understand English past a second grade level.
  • jackthemenace - April 17, 2011 6:21 a.m.

    And @ZigzMagoo? Please stop using null arguments. You're complaining that the console is 5 or 6 years old, but so far the only game you've mentioned by name was one of the launch games, FROM 5 or 6 years ago. I've never played it, but Red Steel 2 got far batter reviews than the first one ever did, mainly due to it's far better handling due to the wiimotion plus or whatever it was called. And, even though I'm not one for the wii (I personally think it's horribly gimmicky), to say there are NO good genres is pure stupidity. I'm guessing you HAVENT tried the Resident Evil 4 port yet? Twilight Princess? Super Smash Bros. Brawl? Hell, you can even get all the original Nintendo titles like the first LoZ or Metroid.
  • jackthemenace - April 17, 2011 6:11 a.m.

    The Idea of a touch-screen controller to me sounds absolutely horrendous. It's hard enough to get a touch screen to do what I want when I'm LOOKING at it, let alone while I'm trying to button mash it staring at another screen. I've never been one to argue that controllers are 'too complex', but this is seriously pushing a boundary. HOWEVER, this does sound to me like Nintendo are finally coming up with a decent platform for hardcore gamers. It'll finally reward the nintendo fans with something good to play their favourite series' on, and it MAY even eliminate the "casual" market that everyone keeps bitching and moaning about...?
  • ZigzMagoo - April 17, 2011 5:41 a.m.

    1-Great art direction only works so well. For platformers it works, but for sports, racing, and shooting games, 9 times out of 10 a gamer will say graphics. 3-Mario Party may have been ended, but what about Super Mario Racing? Basically the same game released 10 different times. 4-Despite not being meant for ports, there are tons of shitty ones out there. 5-I have played FPSes like that Red Steel one, and its so hard to use the controller, not to mention every other game where the motion controls are really inaccurate. 6-I have played plenty of platformers, and while minor details are different, the entire point of the game is jumping from one place to another. You could play a better game on your Iphone. 8-People should be using their consoles until they buy a new one (example PS2's-PS3's) not just for a few years and then putting it away. 9-I was referring to the virtual console 10-Two games out of the hundreds released for the Wii
  • Bratt - April 17, 2011 3:01 a.m.

    1. Super Mario galaxy, metriod prime 3, muramasa, kirby's epic yarn and donkey kong country returns. Great art direction trumps great graphics every time. 2.I could list a stack of games that I've played for hours on end...and I could list tons of games that I've played over and over again, but I'll you to google those games. 3.and yet Mario party has been ended as a series. Nintendo keep making most of these titles because that's what the people want. I would take a new Mario game over pretty much any other title you can think of. 4.it's not meant for ports. It's purpose was to give you a new novel way to control games. Games that took advantage of that where golden. 5.any good FPS game on the system mwell show you how wrong you are. 6.conduit,goldeneye, metriod prime trilogy, excite trucks,excite bots, Mario kart and pretty much any plat former released for the system. Even if you think they are the same it just shows me that you have never played them. 7.agreed 8.I know Jesse why would they keep a console that's been out for 6 years. It's almost like there may be a new one right around the damn corner eh....oh and skyward sword well make them take it out again...sounds dirty. 9.seriously? The wii has nothing but artistic design. Now do you think any of the games are any good? 10.Mario galaxy it's sequel and donkey kong country returns would like to have a word with you.
  • KippDynamite - April 16, 2011 10:45 p.m.

    If there is a touch screen controller, is it possible that they will simply not have their own, but actually make smart phones capable of becoming a Wii 2 controller?
  • ZigzMagoo - April 16, 2011 9:51 p.m.

    Oh and I forgot, 11-Licensed Games-There are rediculous amounts of shitty Licensed games on the Wii.
  • ZigzMagoo - April 16, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    Okay reasons why the Wii was terrible: 1-Shitty graphics. Like Really shitty graphics. 2-Only a few good games, and even those dont have good replayability 3-Releasing the same game over and over again. How many different Mario Parties are there? Like 20. 4-Terrible Ports-Black Ops was terrible on the Wii 5-Motion controls-Totally inaccurate, overdone, and unimportant 6-Lack of Genres-They have barely any good FPS, no strategy, shitty RPG's, shitty racing and sports games. The only genre they do well is platforming. AND EVERY PLATFORMING GAME IS BASICALLY THE SAME. 7-Online Playing-Noone plays online. NO ONE 8-Waste of Money-After like 5 or 6 years of it existing, 95% of my friends who have a wii have packed it away. Its a waste of space, waste of money and waste of time. 9-No artistic design-The entire virtual console is bland, and has shitty features like a "Mii". 10-Lack of Serious Gaming-Whenever someone reviews a Wii Game, even if its good, you can bet that the sentence "It good, or as good as a Wii game gets" exists somewhere in the review. There ya go, 10 reasons why the Wii sucks dick. And if any succesor was like it, then it will suck too
  • ZigzMagoo - April 16, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    What I meant was that the technology behind it is insane. Look at all the hacks that have been created for it. Its too bad Microsoft hasn't really developed any great games for it. And Bella Kazza, I assume you were referring to me. That proves your own immaturity, to accuse me of sup-standard intelligence without actually knowing me. You sir, are just one more internet troll. Good Day

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