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  • aaron-smith - July 25, 2013 6:28 p.m.

    The problem with Wii U in a nutshell from a Third Party Developer: "Look we made a game for the Wii U and did absolutely no advertising for it. Then we decided to pull any DLC support from the Wii U version. We just don't understand why our games don't sell on Nintendo consoles. Obviously, Nintendo gamers don't want half-assed ports of games that are more supported on Xbox and Playstation consoles...." The Wii U is flawed, but it's also a great console that is being neglected by third parties due to the lack of first party titles driving install base? How about this? When you bring a port over actually support it. Give us everybit of DLC and AD support you give to the counterparts on Sony and MS consoles. Take some responsibility for your shortcomings as a developer.
  • ObliqueZombie - July 24, 2013 11:26 p.m.

    The only reason they're in "trouble" now is be because the biggest monetary driving force behind many modern games/consoles are the people wanting "mature" shoots snooty fests. I have a few friends who have bad tastes in games nowadays because they need quick fixes, now that Call of Duty has sucked their lives away since 2007. It's the same reason so many fantastic games are so hard to find/way too expensive online, and why I worry whenever a JRPG or similar is released. Really, they're not doing so hot over here in the West, save for their dominance in the handheld market (not that there's much competition). This side of the world needs to get over their graphics and gore parties and learn to kick back and collect bells every now and then.
  • winner2 - July 24, 2013 6:07 p.m.

    Henry I get the feeling you wrote this to reassure yourself more than anything
  • BladedFalcon - July 24, 2013 10:07 p.m.

    Most of his Pro-Nintendo articles always serve this purpose :P
  • talleyXIV - July 24, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    How do they fix their situation? They make their games, like they always have. This isn't rocket science.
  • Redeater - July 24, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    Nintendo will be fine. On a different note, I am ridiculously excited for how they are going to use the gamepad in place of the GBA connector for Wind Waker HD.
  • shawksta - July 24, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    Eh, Wii U's gonna eventually be fine, and even then itll still be a rather bizarre library like they always are. Frankly its only real negative is 3rd Party support, its not like, say where the Xbone had a major problem that had to do with its actual Hardware that can be a long term problem internally.
  • Dave2123 - July 25, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    A problem which has now been solved of course. The One is just as open as PS4 now.
  • shawksta - July 25, 2013 9:02 p.m.

    I know and right now I prefer a Xbone to PS4 but that doesn't change the fact that hardware problems are worse
  • Aquasol - July 25, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    It's Microsoft, though. They're bound to have some sort of secret rule or regulation that'll screw over devs and publishers. The 360 had a nightmarish list of things you had to or could not do in order for MSFT to allow publication.
  • shinkeiDEI - July 24, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    Well, good list although some of these examples could not be as bad as N's position right now (not that is really bad actually, I don't consider the WiiU to be a flop yet); but some are worse, for example the whole VB fiasco. Then you forgot to mention that Nintendo pretty much created it worst competitor, but we all know that. Also you could have mentioned just entering into the console market back in the 80's was a huge problem in itself!!
  • BladedFalcon - July 24, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    Something that should be noted, is that even thought the Wii U looks like it's in trouble. Nintendo as a company is far from it, and even recently it was announced that their stocks raised quite a bit again, thanks to the 3DS. So whether the Wii U ends up "failing" as a console or not, it's pretty much a given that Nintendo will still be alive and well regardless. Certainly, the Virtual Boy was a massive failure, and yet the company barely missed a step. So whether we like it or not, Nintendo will still be around for a while longer. This being said... A lot of the examples put in this list are dubious in their nature, as they hardly seem to be nearly as bad, or economically problematic as a console failing to sell. The universal lawsuit and the GBA connectivity were notable problems, for sure, but pretty sure that they aren't worse than what the Wii U is going trough in comparison. Anyway, It'll be interesting to revisit this article in a year or so. Because honestly, the moment of truth regarding the Wii U is yet to come. As bad as it looks now, it's true that more games are coming out for the system, but it's also true that unlike the DS and 3DS launches, Nintendo now has to worry with TWO upcoming launches of consoles that outmatch the Wii U. So the real question will be to see how will the Wii U be standing after the dust settles on the other next gen consoles.
  • Cyberninja - July 24, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    I say this as a Wiiu owner who intends to buy a PS4, but Sony and Microsoft have never been a threat to Nintendo because they don't really care about what either of them do or how much more powerful their stuff is and just do their own thing. Remember about this time 2 years ago people were saying the Vita would kill the 3DS, didn't happen same thing happened with the psp and ds as shown by the article.
  • BladedFalcon - July 24, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    ...You DO realize that any company that sells the same kind product that Nintendo does (AKA: Games) IS competition, and thus a threat, whether Nintendo wishes to compete directly or not, right? Also, I think you're remembering things differently from what they actually where. Yes, the 3DS sucked back then and it was struggling, but no one really said the Vita was going to kill it... Their past experience with the PSP had made everyone to know better :P Anyway, I don't know how many times I'll have to stress this out before you can understand it: The portable Market's state can't be used to measure or compare what happens on home consoles and vice-versa. The reason Nintendo has held strong with both the DS and the 3DS, is because they've managed to do what they fail to do on their modern consoles, which is to offer a variety of ALL games, and just offer more games in general than it's competition. Like I said, we'll have to see how things will pan out once the dust settles on the new consoles, but if they keep cranking up the majority of third party games and quality as they have this generation, you can bet that's DEFINITELY going to hurt into Nintendo's sales.
  • Cyberninja - July 25, 2013 4:33 a.m.

    The Wiiu currently looks like it has more third party games than Wii ever had. Also the launch line ups don't look that good for the other systems, since I can only imagine after the strong launch the PS4 won't sell that consistently since they have their biggest stuff at launch but don't really have anything for the future since most of the stuff coming is 3rd party and yes people did think Vita would overtake the 3DS but like you said its all a matter of waiting.
  • BladedFalcon - July 25, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    What does it matter whether the Wii U had more third parties than the Wii? If both consoles are still sorely lacking in that department compared to the competition, it's kinda moot if the Wii U has just a couple more than it's predecessor's showing. Just because you get 40% on a test instead of 30% like your last try, doesn't make it a passing grade :P I do agree that the first months of the new consoles are going to be barren, but just like with the 360, after 6 months to a year, the third party support from most third parties should start rolling and provide those two with a wider selection of games on a shorter period of time than the Wii U. Even if the games take longer to come out than that, the point is that most third parties will be focused on making games for Sony and Microoft, as opposed to Nintendo. And that's what'll hurt Nintendo the most in the end, just as it has happened for their last 3 main home consoles.
  • Vonter - January 17, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    There are a number of factors that I'm checklisting: - How long do developers take to start giving momentum to new generation hardware (last gen I think it was by the time Gears of War came out that 360 got a turning point). - Assuming (hopefully) that Mario Kart 8 and Smash give an adequate install base will some third parties return? (Also likely another cut or bundle will likely come out) - Will Ps4 and Xbone have hardware problems this year? (PS4 overheating its what concerns me after some months pass)
  • BladedFalcon - January 17, 2014 5:35 p.m.

    -The 360 was never as in a bad spot as the Wii U was, even before Gears of War came out. Third party games like Dead Rising and such support kept it from losing momentum from their initial launch sales. -Both of those games will sell for sure, but i don't see either expanding the install base. I mean, both will be smash hits with Nintendo fans, but those most likely ALREADY have bought the Wii U. Neither of those games are going to sell even a Million of extra Wii Us each, you can be sure of that. -Well, 3 months in, you already had a LOT of reports on the 360's red ring of death, so if the PS4's overheating was truly anywhere near as bad, I'm sure by now we would have heard a lot more about it.
  • g1rldraco7 - July 24, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    Oh god I remember getting that GBA connect cable to trade and and battle my friend with Pokemon Crystal and his Pokemon Yellow. Stupid thing never worked, but hey good times with the GBA, I remember long hours with Legend of Zelda Oracle of Ages and Seasons, the only Zelda game published by Capcom.

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