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  • pokepark7 - June 14, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    i still cant decide what to get
  • aaron-smith - June 14, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    Buying the One first and i'm all smiles :)
  • Shinn - June 13, 2013 2:11 a.m.

    I love the 'fast ram' too. After draw distance and hd textures, half second loading times are one of the most satisfying advantages my gaming rig has over any console. It's nice to know that if I buy a PS4, I'll be getting something I can't even purchase in New Zealand (excluding the GDDR5 ram found in a modern day gpu of course).
  • C.King - June 12, 2013 11:47 p.m.

    i could totally imagine him wearing a troll face smile while talking about anticipating since xbox one(lol xoxo, i demand a rename!) surprised they're getting praise for price when they pulled that hulking number at ps3's reveal and the online policy with the additional online multi-player fee each game. but what ever if they're fans are happy it's a great day. a smidge confused the deal with kingdom hearts 3 since not like the series had a drought of releases though hasn't been on a home console in long the big3 seem to have new edges over each other now (in order of price) nintendo has exclusives(bayonetta 2 makes me want a wii U now...) and community focus if ya wanna count that(get giddy every streetpass i get), sony has ram and non-shooters, and microsoft has kinect 2.0(love the step forward to telling reality to srew itself!)
  • shawksta - June 12, 2013 4:50 p.m.

    Jack was all smiles with all those cheers, it was just a nice moment. They may exaggerate but it's only because of how well the whole thing went.
  • BladedFalcon - June 12, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    Ehhh... some of these responses felt fishy, honestly. But then again, of course Sony would answer like "yeah peeps, this was our plan all along!". Even though it probably wasn't true. But hey, results and actions are what matter in the end, right? So fuck it, let them celebrate, they've earned it.
  • FoxdenRacing - June 14, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    That's the fun of between the lines. This makes it sound like there wasn't any 'crap, reverse course, reverse course!' like I'd initially wondered, but he did leave the door open to them being unsure whether they'd made the right choices, especially with the dramatic turnaround from 'highest-price flame-throwing hot rod' to 'how can we strike a power/performance balance'...then got to stand around dumbfounded while events played out around them...and into their hands. And agreed...they've earned their celebration. And I do feel weird saying that, as someone that was vehemently anti-PS3 [and vehemently anti-Sony before Kaz took the helm a couple years ago]. But, competition ebbs and flows...there's no place in my life for blind loyalty, let the companies seeking my dollars stand on their merits.
  • BladedFalcon - June 14, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    Well yeah, blind loyalty is kinda dumb, just get what looks better, and reward the company that's doing things right, regardless of it's past. I agree the PS3 shat the bed last generation, which is why I never owned one till 2010, but all of they have done so far? It just looks like they've honestly learned their lessons, saw in what they were screwing up, and working hard as they can to veer to the opposite direction. And I mean, shouldn't we reward positive change? Right now, Sony is doing everything they didn't before, right now they are scrambling to be the fan pleases, to say and do what the gamers say they want and what developers say they want. And if even then, they fail, what does that say about us as consumers? Specially, when the other two options are either to support a company that has learned not a single lesson from their past mistakes for over 15 years, or support a company that is shitting on their consumer's rights left and right.
  • FoxdenRacing - June 14, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    That's my thoughts exactly, dude. Notice I don't use the word 'consumer', as I hate the insinuation that we're a bottomless, mindless swarm that will consume anything placed before us...doubly so when the company doing the placing takes the attitude that whenever one is driven away, two will take their place. I'm a customer. I think about my purchases. Mistreat me and I take my money elsewhere. And I'm very proud of having the conviction to say 'screw you, I'm voting with my wallet'. I just feel really weird praising Sony again after my vehemence towards them 7 years ago...granted, I also felt badly betrayed, with how drastically they shifted stances between PS2/PS3...much like I do about 360/One. All they had to do was not screw it up, and I would've bought one. Instead...they decided to take everything it meant to be Playstation...the humility and accessibility of being a new face standing against established juggernauts, thrown out the window in the name of "We are gaming, we get to set the rules now"; a level of hubris which drove me...and judging by the sales numbers 75 million other customers...away. It's weird. 18 years ago, I gave Sony the benefit of the doubt...while 13 years ago, MS had to earn my respect. Now MS has squandered that respect, and am cautious towards Sony for past transgressions. Granted...the more things develop, the more my choices for 8th gen become 'U only', 'U and PS4', or 'Screw it, I'm'a upgrade the PC.' I'm slowly distancing myself from the attachments I have...Forza primarily, as it has a few things GT doesn't...preparing to go through with that hard choice, which is only going to get harder if my friends locally decide to take a different route...as I'll lose the ability to coop with them.
  • BladedFalcon - June 14, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    Well, what I meant is that it kinda astonishes me that you have "Trust" and "grudges" towards companies, like, it feels to me that if you feel like you say "betrayed" you take a stance of deny all, forsake all regardless of whether there's merit on something. Like, you make it sound as if switching from Microsoft to Sony again is like a painful experience or something :P I mean, I just can't relate with a mentality like that, which is why I've never understood fanboys. This is an industry that constantly changes, and you just gotta be smart or wise enough to recognize who offers you the better deal. Right now, I'm mainly dead set on the PS4 and disdaining the Xbone mainly because well, one screws me over as a customer, and the other seems much more in line with what I want. The moment that were to change though, like, if suddenly MS dropped all the DRM bullcrap of the XBone, and they offered an overall much wider, better variety of games? I'd go again with Micrososft without holding a grudge. I mean, you also often see me bashing Nintendo, but that's mainly their home consoles, and I have no problem equally defending them with their portable systems, which they have always seem to know how to properly handle the, even when they keep dropping the ball on the console front XD
  • FoxdenRacing - June 14, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    Any attachments are related to people...I do a lot of co-op with the locals, and if we stand on different sides of 'the line' it's going to suck losing that. There's nothing quite like getting a couple pizzas, a case of beer, and taking over somebody's living room with a bunch of TVs/systems for a LAN day, acting like stupid 20-somethings again. Same goes for the racing league...it's going to be hard not being able to hit the track with people I've been doing so with regularly for the past 4 years. I am a sentimental boob, I'll openly admit that...but that applies to people, not companies. Describing things in those terms is just easiest. "Betrayal" nicely describes being blindsided by "What the **** are you thinking?"...and "trust" nicely describes my thoughts on "how likely is this company to take its customers for granted"...it's not an emotional attachment. Part of my own confusion is that this is the first time a generation has launched and I'm not excited about any of them. The only decision I've made so far is 'Not One', and that's...weird. Normally by this point I've decided which one to buy first, which one(s) to watch for price drops / a good catalog, and which I won't bother with until the end-of-gen wind-down or dirt-cheap obsolescence. This new gen has me off balance, and I'm not sure what to think about that. [This gen, 360 was 'buy first', Wii was 'maybe at end of gen unless an opportunity drops in my lap', and PS3 was 'maybe if the company pulls its head out from between its cheeks'...which it's slowly been doing for ~2 years, I just haven't had the cash to get one] Generally, if I lose interest at launch [or don't have the cash for more than one system, as was the case for PS1/N64], it'll be at the end-of-generation wind-down that I look and see if my gripes have been addressed, and if so get one then to round out the collection. There's very little I'll pass on permanently...even the Genesis / PS1 kid sister got when I moved out and didn't have the heart to leave the younger sibs game-less I intend to replace when the opportunity arises...though I think with the U having back-compat, if I decide to pick up one of those I won't bother getting a standalone Wii.
  • BladedFalcon - June 14, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    Ahh, I get it now. See, as a perpetual antisocial gaming groucho, there's really zero attachment or consideration for other people when thinking about what console I'll get next. Except with my brother, because that case, if we get the same console, we can just lend each other games and share the price of getting new games, making buying games a much more affordable prospect. And well, I do get how you feel. Even though so far PS4 is looking to be on the right track... Pretty sure I'm not getting one right away, actually, I don't think I'll get any new console until at least 1 or 2 years have passed since they launched. And that's a first, because i used to be a very early adopter or a new generation console. I just think that it has a lot to do with what gaming has become, y'know? I know it's rather cliched sounding, but things used to be way simpler in the past, and for the better. Before it was just a matter to pick the console that offered the most games that appealed to you, and everything else was secondary. Now you have to worry about restrictions, connectivity, hardware disparity, all that fun stuff. And then you have the overall landscape, with publishers getting more and more bloated, and then previously seen as the "small deal" indie scene getting stronger, and stuff like kickstarter showing a potentially very different future for gaming... And well more than ever I feel it necessary to sit and wait till the dust settles on the new consoles to see how things will pan out. For all we know Kickstarter could become huge and the common way to get games made, while most big companies will go the way of THQ or relinquish their licenses to smaller developers. And THEN the platform ideal for such scenario could drastically change as well.
  • FoxdenRacing - June 14, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    Always wait for at least the second production run...by then the scalpers have given up, and any early hiccups have been patched. I'm going to be holding off a few months anyway because I'm saving to buy a house, and to get heating oil for the winter; dropping $400+6% sales tax+$60 [2nd controller]+200 [3 games] plus if I decide to get a Move just isn't economically feasible right before Christmas. Cripes, I'm getting old. >_< You're dead on, though. The industry is in flux...grappling with challenges it's never had to worry about before. Budgets are spiraling out of control, and the industry has no idea what to do about it. Gamers want prettier and more sophisticated games iteration over iteration, or so the thinking goes...but there's not enough of us to support the added expense of doing that anymore. So, DLC...A natural evolution of the expansion pack...and also another revenue source. Eventually, that wasn't enough...suits behind closed doors took one look at Gamestop, realized there was a huge 'untapped market', and Online Passes came to be. The guys in the industry don't have a good idea of what to do [if Cliffy B's rant is to be taken seriously], so are shooting in the dark and jumping on bandwagons. I think we're going to see a handful of high-profile money-losers this coming gen...games that should be an insanely safe bet for making money failing to recoup its costs...not because it doesn't sell, but because its costs are just that high. We're already seeing it start..."disappointing" sales of high-profile games in the 2-4 million copies sold range. And the guys with freedom to experiment are doing so. F2P comes with lowered expectations, meaning they can get away with smaller budgets...but as that space fills up, the 'sea of zeroes' effect is going to become more and more ominous. The average price paid may be comparable...but there's only so many people willing to drop hundreds or thousands of dollars on a single game to offset the tens of thousands to millions of players paying nothing. In the end...good business is going to win the day. Realistic sales projections. Budgets based on those projections. Monetization methods that aren't insulting. And of course, doing everything in their power to gain customer goodwill. And it's got the potential to be really painful. Stagnation will drive out the graphics junkies, and possibly a big chunk of the mainstream...which means stepping back further, and it could contract all the way back to being a dedicated geek's pursuit again. I certainly hope not, but it's possible.
  • BladedFalcon - June 14, 2013 4:32 p.m.

    *shrugs* At this point, all I really care about is having rich, interesting experiences in a variety of game genres. If many of these happen to be big budget, gorgeous looking games such as the Last of US, then that's a nice bonus. But I've gotten to a point in which pretty graphics aren't really necessary for my enjoyment of a game anymore. As long as the game doesn't look super generic, or like ass, if the gameplay is solid and the story is good and original enough, any game can have the potential to grab my attention, and my cash. Which is why I'm completely fine if the industry takes a step back, and focus on saving expenses and, y'know, using money WISELY to make games instead of just throwing piles of money at the production costs and having that it will magically make back it's worth. Some of my most anticipated games for this year are even what some would call "nostalgia grabs" Such as DuckTales Remastered, and Shovel Knight. And, you know what? I fucking love that. In short, I don't necessarily want games to stop looking better. But i think we've reached a point in where i'd rather have people doing stuff DIFFERENT than the rest, instead of having 15 games that are almost alike and aiming for the most common denominator. This E3 for example, I think it highlighted the problem even more. All of the four big conferences of Monday, ALL of them had a racing game, A Sandbox game, a first person shooter game, a big online multiplayer game. And once you peeled those off, you had a very few remaining truly different looking games. Even Nintendo, who continuously gets acclaimed for their continual quest to "innovate" seems to have gotten stuck on pretty much banking solely on Nostalgia. And yet, it's half-assed attempts, with games that are supposed direct sequels to big hits from the super nintendo era, yet aren't even committed to the original art-style that made those titles to stand out in the first place. So yeah... Dunno about you, but I really wouldn't mind if there suddenly was one huge, messy shift of the status quo that currently permeates the industry.
  • JarkayColt - June 12, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    Alarm bells be a-ringing on slide 6; kind of alluding to the "up to the publishers" spiel again. The flexibility to do what they require...if the X-box is imposing any sort of DRM that they as publishers/developers can benefit from, they aren't going to let the PS4 go free quite so easily...I think games are going to be on a bit of a short reign no matter which console we pick.
  • BladedFalcon - June 12, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    Okay mate, maybe this will help calming your nerves: http://www.destructoid.com/did-sony-confirm-drm-on-ps4-after-all-not-quite--256052.phtml "Sony has stated that Tretton's use of the term "DRM" referred only to playing used games online. Essentially, they're talking about letting publishers use online passes, and no other kind of restrictions." And here's another from IGN, just to drive the point home: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/e3-2013-ps4-used-game-restrictions-up-to-publishers In short, whatever the Xbone might end up doing, there's not going to be anything nearly as drastic for the PS4. The worst they could do is raise the cost of online passes, or something of the sort, and even with that they have to be careful because if they go overboard... well- you already saw how hard gamers can backlash :P The main reason, i think, Sony now has to keep mentioning that part about 3rd party developers, is because they don't want people getting the wrong idea that such methods won't exist anymore. They did, and they will for the PS4 still, but it really sounds like it will be the same shit we've already seen so far for the PS3. And I think you can understand why that can't be eliminated all of a sudden, right?
  • JarkayColt - June 13, 2013 1:49 a.m.

    Phew! You never fail to amaze with your source-finding and analysis of the facts. So, what you're saying is that this will only apply to EA...erm, I mean, third party games, right? It makes sense that the new PS Plus requirement answers for Sony's own online pass system, and I'm okay with that. And the XBox's online authentication is its own flavour of DRM, so, you can probably expect third parties will add their own game-exclusive restrictions on top of that. I'll be interested to see all the new ways that third parties can come up with in regards to screwing customers over. I think we're definitely going to see a backlash over what is acceptable and what is not (and always-online DRM like SimCity is definitely in the "HELL NO" category.")
  • BlueScorpion91 - June 12, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    I was also kinda sad that the policies got a better cheer than the games. But still, I'm sure PlayStation are over-whelmed about this E3. All they need to do now is release first.
  • BladedFalcon - June 12, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    Well... That's because the policies impacted in a very significant way how many of us could game overall. So of course it was fucking important. I understand that there's a number of guys that you that by the way you operate, online and used game lending or selling was never a problem, and I understand why thus this wasn't a huge deal for you. But then there's a HUGE chunk of us in which our way to game constantly is only trough that, so it really did matter. 'sides, now that's out of the way, you can bet they'll focus more on games from now on.

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