• codystovall - February 9, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    Its scarecrows time to shine!!!
  • EwoksTasteLikeChicken - February 9, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    I just have one question: Did Two Face die at the end? As you fly around the city after the game's over, you can hear some of the criminals talking about that.
  • BladedFalcon - February 9, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    ...Not that I can tell. I mean, if you played the catwoman's storyline, it ends with her kicking the crap out of him. But that's it, she knocks him out, but doesn't kill him or throw him off anything.
  • MyCoolWhiteLies - February 9, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    They should keep him dead. The way they talk about it, it sounds like it was a big decision, and one that they won't want to back out on.
  • BladedFalcon - February 9, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    The main problem i had of the ending, was not that they killed Joker... But the whole set-up was done sloppily. Why would Thalia, having stolen the cure from Harley, wait and not give Batman the cure immediately? Even when she interceded to save batman later and got carried away by joker, she could just escape and kill him whenever she wanted like she ultimately did in the theater, so why wait? Aside from the usual cliche of waiting for the protagonist to be there, there was logical reason. And honestly? even if it was an impulse and that he couldn't resist. I still don't buy that joker would be so stupid as to stab batman in the arm in which hes holding the fucking cure joker wants! He's psychotic, not stupid. Lastly...Okay, so it's more dramatic and iconic to have batman carry the joker's corpse out of the city... But to do this instead of Thalia's? I call BS on that fact as well. /bottled up rant
  • EwoksTasteLikeChicken - February 9, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    Dude, what would make a bigger impact? Batman carrying out his dead girlfriend, or him carrying out the world's greatest criminal? What would people talk about more? I really didn't give a shit about Thalia compared to Joker. Also, I can't remember it exactly, but right before he was stabbed, Batman was saying how Joker would just be captured, escape, and kill a bunch of people, again and again. It made it sound like he wouldn't give Joker the antidote, and that's why he stabbed Batman. It's not nearly as BS as you make it out to be.
  • BladedFalcon - February 9, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    I am not talking about what would make a bigger impact, but about what would make more sense... Or what really, any actual, real person would do. If you were in the head of Batman, and both a woman you deeply love and a man that has been your enemy and has made you life hell for years have died. Would you really go and pick up the body of the criminal instead of the person you loved? And I'm sorry. But this is the same Man that WANTED to go save Thalia instead of dealing with Strange's protocol 10. And he would have done so if Alfred had not made him see reason. So, no, even by the story standards, it makes zero sense that Batman would care more about the joker and carry him out over Thalia. And as for the stabbing... That still doesn't justify Joker stabbing him in the arm that's HOLDING THE CURE. What he fuck did he expect to happen? of course it was gonna fall and break! considering he obviously was able to sneak behind him, he could have stabbed the other arm and attempted to take the cure while he was weakened by that. better yet, slit batman's throat if he wanted him dead for good. Really, any other attack at batman's body could have presented less risk of a jerk reaction that would make the cure fall so violently and break, than the one joker chose. Hell, even stabbing him in his legs would make more sense, as that way batman might fall and drop the cure, but not before cushioning the fall with his hand first.
  • Mariohead - July 21, 2014 10:26 p.m.

    It just doesn't seem like you have a clear idea of who Batman is as a person. in The Long Halloween, Bruce clearly chose being Batman over being with Selina Kyle, even though he felt he knew it. Batman is an ascetic to the fullest degree, and any role Alfred would play in that regard is as caregiver to whom he believes himself to be. He even admitted that he would have saved Joker and would not have let him die, even after he admitted all the reasons that he should have let him die. Just like in The Dark Knight Returns (which may be hated by many for it's lack of continuity, but is still a great story), Batman refuses to allow anyone to die, even his most ardent nemesis (regardless of his past as a violent and psychopathic killer). Your point is not entirely moot, but it is more of a criticism on the Batman than it is on this particular story.
  • BladedFalcon - July 23, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    Well no, it IS a criticism on this particular story as well, because as you say, Batman is portrayed to care more about the general good than his own wants, and is unbreakable in his "I will never kill" policy. But then this story did Batman a disservice by having him wanting to go save Thalia over saving the city in the first place. The way you describe him, Batman in the comics never would have needed Alfred to do a reality check on him. So any way you look at it, the storytelling of the game was shoddy in that whole respect. Either by just being a badly told story, or one that didn't correctly understand the character as told in the comics. And again, at the very end, it wasn't even a matter of saving the Joker, the Joker was dead either way, just as Thalia. At that point it makes zero sense for Batman to carry the Joker out of prison city over Thalia.
  • Greegs0800 - February 9, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    I think they should take the risk and leave Joker out of the sequel (aside from flashbacks and the like) and elevate one or two of the other villains to main antagonist status, or even broaden the scope of villains you can engage with. Yes, he's arguably the best foil for Batman, but I'd rather they get stuck in with the other interesting villains instead of relegating them to small cameos/bit-parts again.
  • GhostNappa2k10 - February 9, 2012 2:07 p.m.

    He probably will be out of the sequel, due to the fact that Arkham City was Mark Hamill's last appearance as The Joker. Also (SPOILERS) he kinda died.
  • Hydr0ponicK - February 9, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    I thought he didn't die because of the voicemail at the end when Joker sings during the credits.
  • Sjoeki - February 9, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    I was hoping that but when I finished it on new game plus the computer lady voice thingy says: you have one missed call. Call received three hours ago. But still, with all those lazarus pitts I think/hope it's not the end for him.
  • e1337prodigy - February 9, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    Did he die though? I only recently completed it and yes he was choking and then got carried out by batman. But was he really dead? or was that not the end?
  • ObliqueZombie - February 9, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    That was indeed the end. He died in the theater, then Batman carried him out as a last act.
  • soggysage - February 9, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    If there's a sequel Joker will be in it in some form. That ending left so many possibilities - if not for him to return, then for his legacy to make a big impact. Nerd over

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