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  • ncurry2 - June 28, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    I'm fairly certain I'll be sticking with LoL but I do miss some of the old DotA champions. But unless they have added some sort of equivalent to AP so that casters can actually scale, fixed all of the potential for permastun, cleaned up all of the orb business, balanced it out so that agility champions aren't crazy op, and done away with denying; I just can't see myself switching over.
  • Travia220 - June 28, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    So in other words. Make Dota 2 simple for the bad player out there, that's never going to happen. League of Legends went that route and has so little skill ceiling that it's not fun at all. With you saying things like "OP Agi" Heroes and "PermaStun" with no counter then I'm guessing you played Dota 1 or 2 for like a day and really don't understand the mechanics of the game.
  • ncurry2 - June 28, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    Yup. Only played Dota for a single day. Ya caught me. I'm not saying Dota 2 needs to be simple. I'm saying creep denial is a bad mechanic. My point above illustrates why I personally don't like it but there are many more that I've discussed elsewhere. It slows the game down a lot, it shifts the gameplay to more of a PVE than a PVP which is what any MOBA should really be about, there are no counters to denying other than to deny yourself, and most importantly of all: it is a low risk high reward mechanic and that's not something that should be present in a MOBA. I'll admit, I haven't played DotA for many years now (certainly not since the LoL beta and likely some time before then). So it's possible things changed a bit. But when I was playing it pretty hardcore, those were simply the truths. And if you don't think LoL has any skill ceiling, I'd love to mirror lane as Morgana against you XD
  • Beoftw - June 28, 2012 8:12 p.m.

    perma stun? there are items for that. agi? its called strength. creep denial is in no way "pve" when you gain nothing. I'ts only purpose is to halt your opponent from farming as much as you, if you are quick enough to last hit before him. You more skilled at last hitting? congrats, you will now outfarm your opponent, putting the only difference between your farm and his with raw skill at timing attacks. Something unbalanced abilities cant help you with. fyi, league characters are directly based on dota characters. I have 800 some wins experience with leagues, and if by skill you mean better team comp, then you def nailed it on the head. Tell me exactly how "skillfull" u need to be to land moves on a champ that only has 1 skill shot and free lane sustain? lmfao.

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