• BladedFalcon - September 13, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    Okay, people, this IS getting really tiresome, really. All this talk about which system is marginally better? it's not gonna fucking matter in the end. Both systems are gonna end up looking pretty much the same with any multiplatform game, same as they did for this generation for the PS3 and the 360, even though technically, their hardware specs were much more different than these new consoles. So yes, even though I still don't like the Xbone overall. I can guarantee that PS4 and Xbone games are going to look the fucking same.
  • Eightboll812 - September 13, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    @Bladed Yes, on average, I believe that is the case. However, not always, and this gen could be a bit different too for a different reason. First, proof that this is not an absolute truth, is what do people say about any Bethsoft game today? Play it on Xbox or PC, and skip the frustration of PS3. And it's true. I don't know if it is because of the smaller memory on PS3, but those games run horribly on PS3. Why next gen might have more differential than even current gen? Because they are both the same architecture, and games that are made for PC/Xbox/PS3 already have levels of graphics settings. I can easily see some of the graphic settings on a PS4 hardcoded at a slightly higher level than Xbox. Because the knobs are in the game engine for PC release, and now devs don't have to mess with compiling the game for different CPU/GPU architectures. It's one thing to say, "we don't want to mess with optimizing for the cell processor to eek out that little bit of extra performance we might get on PS3 over and above 360" and another thing to say, "fundamentally this is the same game, lets set the render distance a tad higher for PS4 to make pop-ins less annoying...just because we can easily do it"
  • BladedFalcon - September 13, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    Eh, as someone who played both Fallout 3 and Skyrim on a PS3, I can say that the experience, while probably not the best, it ran pretty damn fine for me for the most part. And even if the difference was that big... we're talking about... what, 3, 4 games from a single company? out of the 500+ games that ran pretty much the same for both consoles? And like I mentioned above, even if it's "easier" I hardly picture any third party Dev going the extra mile to make one version look better than the other. Unless the first party gives them a reason to every time... and I can't imagine that scenario being at all feasible. And even if it happens... if it'0s difference like you said about the pop in? again, eh, to me those things are superfluous improvements at best. Nice if you have them, but not game changers by any means.
  • Eightboll812 - September 13, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    To be clear, I'm not saying that's a huge difference or something that is going to make lots of people buy brand X over Y. It's not like one is in HD and the other not. But on the Fallout3 topic, I will say that what I read was true for me, that once my save file got somewhere around 10MB, I had a crap load of micro-freezing and other annoyances that made it almost unplayable.
  • Eightboll812 - September 13, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    Sorry...what I am saying is that there is a possibility that a *greater* number of games will have *some* visible improvements if you are looking to see them. And half the time, you have to be a technophile to even know what types of things to look for, while the average person can't spot the difference. I think you are saying is that the improvements, if they exist at all, will be negligible to the average person, which I DO agree with.
  • BladedFalcon - September 13, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    Wasn't there a patch that fixed that though? I didn't have that problem, but to be fair, I never really got into fallout, and I kinda gave up halfway trough... That is still 50 hours in though, lol.
  • ProtagonistZero - September 13, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    What this site fails to report is that this claim is from all Anonymous sources with no actual PROOF to back up their claims. It's non-journalism at it's finest, and equal to a rumor.
  • bbq4tw - September 13, 2013 7:47 a.m.

    You must be new to the ballgame! It's cool this generation to bag on MS and praise Sony! Just look at the Steam announcement (I know it's not specifically Sony) to see the absolute hate there is against MS (who first announced digital game sharing but were blasted for it). The cool edgy thing right now is to be a MS hater.
  • ProtagonistZero - September 13, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Not new, just tired of it. This fanboy nonsense is growing old.
  • BladedFalcon - September 13, 2013 8 a.m.

    Yes, because MS has given no reason whatsoever to be disliked *Rolls eyes* People totally bag against them because it's cool, makes total sense. What a weak fanboy defense.
  • ProtagonistZero - September 13, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    What reason? It's fanboy excuses on both sides.
  • BladedFalcon - September 13, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    When it comes to tech spec arguing? yeah, they absolutely are. However, Microsoft attitude is what has brought on this Ill-will towards them. Even though they backed away from that completely, their whole initial stance of "Yeah we are focusing way more on TV and media that isn't videogames now, oh, and your console has to check online regularily, and you need to have kinnect always connected in order for the system to work, why? because we said so" rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and for good reason. They were being incredibly arrogant, and even though they have reversed that for the most part, you can't expect people to shrug it off and pretend like it never happened.
  • ProtagonistZero - September 13, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    How is anything they did different than Steam? Because Microsoft, with XBox One, is nothing different than when Steam transitioned over to their DRM system, and CONTINUE to have their DRM system in place. People whined and moaned, and called Valve out, but they stuck by their guns, and Steam evolved over time into a system that people praise. Microsoft was adopting that same mentality. And not ONCE did Microsoft say they were focusing way more on TV and Media." They said that they wanted Xbox One to be an All in One Entertainment product. You perceived it as that was what they were saying, but clearly you were wrong.
  • BladedFalcon - September 13, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    How is anything they did different than steam? are you serious? How about the fact that Steam has had almost 10 years to grow and hone itself as an online distribution platform? I dunno if you remember, but everyone HATED steam for the first years, and they turned it around only when they were able to prove to their customers taht they were giving them a good service. Microsoft, on the other hand, expected to jump into that realm with the Xbone without proving themselves at all. With no guarantees that the service would be on par with steam's and much less with the kind of sales and prices steam offers. And you're seriously naive if you honestly think Microsoft would sell games cheaper digitally from the get go. Maybe if they have stuck with that stance, and honed their own service, they would have shut my mouth up within a few years. But hey, they reversed it all, so that tells me they didn't have faith in their own system, now did they. "And not ONCE did Microsoft say they were focusing way more on TV and Media." They didn't say it with words, but with actions, and you'd have to be blind to deny that. Look at the Xbone's reveal presentation, their main focus was to talk about TV, movies, sports, and stuff that wasn't really game related. And even now, they srated releasing adds for the Xbone, what are they about? Exclusively talking about their TV and sports functionality. Not an all "All in one" entertainment product, as you called it. If they had, they would have mentioned games there... and they didn't. So, how am I exactly wrong?
  • Eightboll812 - September 13, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    >>"How is anything they did different than Steam?" 1) Steam sales. nuff said 2) Steam has no always online requirement 3) Steam has no always online check for single player games 4) If you are annoyed at the *minimal* DRM for single player on Steam, in two seconds you can apply a "no steam" patch for your single player game. So when Steam offers sharing, it's nothing remotely the same as Xbone. Only if you squint a lot and put on a blindfold does it remotely look the same.
  • ProtagonistZero - September 13, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    You can't say they wouldn't have sales like Steam. Most games on Steam require an online connection to play, and Steam DOES do an online check on your licenses, whether you realize it or not. And the Steam sharing is EXACTLY what Microsoft was planning. So please don't pretend it's something it isn't.
  • Eightboll812 - September 13, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    Um, yeah I can say they won't have sales like Steam because....THEY DON'T HAVE SALES LIKE STEAM, lmao. Steam didn't wait until they had a stranglehold on PC digital distribution before they started giving sales, it happened in reverse order. Steam is not always online. Try this. Disconnect your PC from the Internet. Play game. It works. Steam does not do an online check on your license if you are offline. Duh. Ergo, Steam sharing isn't the same thing as MS. Let's stop pretending, ok?
  • ProtagonistZero - September 13, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    You are incorrect. Steam Sales didn't happen till they went to a Digital/License based economy. Get your facts straight. Have you used Steam Sharing? Do you know how it works? They've already said there are limitations to the Steam Sharing, meaning it'll have to verify your licenses online. Don't fool yourself into thinking that Valve is any different.
  • Eightboll812 - September 13, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    "You are incorrect. Steam Sales didn't happen till they went to a Digital/License based economy." Um, that's what I said. The difference is you are saying MS will offer sales someday. They currently sell digital and don't offer sales. When Steam started selling digital, they started offering sales. Quit this obsessive need to squint a lot to distort the facts in order to justify MS not offering decent sales, lol. "Have you used Steam Sharing?" It's in beta, so odds are you haven't used it either. Which doesn't matter because I will still be able to play offline single player in my own library, which is something MS said you couldn't do with Xbone (until they changed it). So really, you are still trying to say Steam is the same thing?
  • Eightboll812 - September 13, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    Let me provide proper emphasis since you are struggling to read what I said: "Steam didn't wait until they had a _stranglehold_ on PC digital distribution _before_ they started giving sales" Clearly you thought I said something like "Steam didn't offer sales before they offered digital distribution". Which is a funny interpretation.
  • BladedFalcon - September 13, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    "You can't say they wouldn't have sales like Steam." You can, actually. Steam took years before it actually offered those kinds of sales. Furthermore, steam offers those kinds of sales because of the amount of direct competition they have on the PC. GOG, Uplay, and yes, even Origin are all competition that gives steam a reason to offer better deals. The Xbone meanwhile, is a closed platform, in which the only distributor would be Microsoft, with zero competence, why the hell would they feel it necessary to offer steam-like sales if they are the only ones ruling in their own system's store? So no, Microsoft wasn't going to make something just like steam. Please stop deluding yourself.
  • bbq4tw - September 13, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    See this dude ProtagonistZero (BladedFalcon) for an example of how it's cool and edgy to be a MS hater and Sony fanboy.

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