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  • shawksta - April 17, 2012 7:36 p.m.

    Nice to hear his honest ”Opinions”, but putting it on Wiiware was his first mistake.(Only for a select game, Wiiwares horrible) Second, its only his to blame, Its not that Nintendo is being ”Pricks to 3rd parties” but that 3rd parties just dont know how to use the Wii's potential. Only a select few 3rd parties have use the Wii excellently, while Nintendo are praticly the best at making use of the hardware. His opinion would be more respectful if he didnt pull insults like that. The Wii U is promised to be more open to 3rd Parties, and it has and many stated. Its hugely understandable why he doesnt want to work with Nintendo again(despite it being his fault), but hopefully he'll give them another chance, especially with the Wii U's potential.
  • BladedFalcon - April 17, 2012 9:31 p.m.

    Wrong, Nintendo has a very well documented history of being assholes to 3rd Party developers. Always. Difference these days is that not many are as willing to put up with their shit as they were in the past. Also, Nintendo made the same promise to be more open to 3rd parties with the 3DS, and more than a year has passed. And aside from a few games like RE: Revelations, most of the worthwhile games both released and announced still belong to Nintendo.
  • Squirrel - April 18, 2012 1:08 a.m.

    Actually you're wrong. Show all this documentation of Nintendo being "assholes to 3rd party developers". It's very true that Nintendo is somewhat strict with it's Wiiware service, but they make the rules and 3rd parties dont have to play if they dont want to. The 3DS has already received several great 3rd party games, especially on the eShop. Project X Zone literally shows three 3rd parties working together for one exclusive Nintendo game. I bet Namco Bandai, Sega, and Capcom disagree with you. Ask Gearbox what they think about Nintendo and the Wii U. Level-5 seems to love Nintendo systems, as does Ubisoft. What about smaller developers? Talk to Renegade Kid, 5th Cell, or Camelot. They all do they're best work on Nintendo consoles. It's all subjective to the developer and the specific person as to how they feel. So its ignorant to paint the whole of the industry with one person's opinion.
  • BladedFalcon - April 18, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    "Show all this documentation of Nintendo being "assholes to 3rd party developers"." Gladly!: http://www.gamesradar.com/the-top-7-nintendo-mistakes/?page=5 http://darkzero.co.uk/game-articles/the-history-of-nintendo/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Nintendo#1983.E2.80.931989 http://www.edge-online.com/features/making-playstation You only need to read any detailed article concerning the history of nintendo, (Specifically the NES era)to know that they were incredibly abusive and restrictive to other companies when making games. That link to another gamesradar articles explains it very well, and you can feel free to nitpick and check the facts stated there if you want, they are all true. Including the 5 games at most per year, and how Nintendo had to be LEGALLY forced to loosen up and allow more freedom and competition. Also, you can also ready any article concerning the genesis of the Playstation to learn of yet another incredible blunder Nintendo made that ended up creating him his biggest rival for the last decade and that still today is a huge competition against them. Now, concerning Project X. Yes, that is undoubtedly a great collaboration between three developers for a SINGLE game for the 3DS, that's it though. I don't think you can gauge how much a company likes a system based on a single game. In fact... I think what best shows how much a company likes a system, is to see how many games total is has released to them in relation to other systems, don't you think? let's take a look: Games of namco for: Nintendo Wii: 8 Playstation 3: 13 Xbox 360: 16 Games of Capcom for: Nintendo Wii: 15 Playstation 3: 20 Xbox 360: 21 (Currently don't have time to look for Sega's tally, but feel free to look it up for yourself.) As for Gearbox, Level5 and Ubisoft... Funny, most of their work and games are best known for being on the PS3 or the 360, and NOT the wii...(Y'know, franchises like Borderlands, Assasin's Creed, and White Knight Chronicles and Nin no kuni... Not to mention all the RPGs taht level 5 developed for the PS2 and NOT for the gamecube..) Also, Camelot's not really a 3rd party developer, since they pretty much are in contract to develop for Nintendo. Just clarifying.
  • shawksta - April 18, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    Touche, wont argue to that but its actually STILL dependent on the 3rd Parties Willingness either way, The Wii is a broke back lesser hardware machine, but the Wii U's Potential is something they have to figure out and utilize effectivle, and hopefully Nintendo wont be dicks about it and share how to use the Potential effectivly. As for 3DS, they have special 3rd Party support for special series, as Squirrel pointed out, doesnt matter if there are more Capcom/Sega/Namco games on the other consoles, the fact of that matter that they still are producing games for them, especially with Capcom for Ace Attorney, and Level 5 for Layton, which also leads for the Big Game where the 2 smarties are together. But here's the trick, its nothing different from DS, if anything the 3DS's "More open to 3rd Parties" is so we can get more legit console experience 3rd Parties to the system. There isnt much now, but Resident Evil Revelations, Super Street Fighter 4, and Kingdom hearts are great enough to hopefully encourage more of the same quality, alongside the special 3rd Party Nintendo has for it. Its already been clear whats been happening, the 3DS's first showing had allot of quality console looking games till the sh*t bomb Nintendo threw us that was the launch of it. The games that got us excited werent at launch which is where people can easily throw off the support. Nintendo suffered from that and cut pay losses because of it so hopefully the Wii U games that will get us pumped at E3 will actually be at launch. But alas, major point in mind, If Nintendo themselves are still dicks, then so be it they punish for it, but right now, the 3rd Parties need to explore the Wii U's Potential. Also, i know some notice of Nintendo's assholery, but this Beamdog dev is bashing them for something thats more his fault than them.
  • BladedFalcon - April 18, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    Oh, I am not defending the Beamdog developer, he definitely jammed his foot on his mouth. One because he exaggerated his comments... And two, because pretty much contradicted himself at the end. Also, please excuse me if is till remain wary of the "More open to 3rd Parties" statement. Simply because, the fact remains that ever since the SNES, Nintendo has ALWAYS been the lesser console in terms of 3rd party support. That's 8 straight years and 3 Mayor consoles that shone more because of their first party games than anything else. And like the list of top 25 best SNES games illustrates, what makes a truly EXCELLENT console, is when you have a healthy abundance of BOTH. I WILL say that Nintendo has fared far better with 3rd party support where it's handheld are concerned, and the 3DS IS showing potential... but again, I've still yet to witness a big push for 3rd party games like the DS got at first. And also because I haven't seen any announcements of the franchises that really got me sold on the GBA and the DS, where's Advance Wars? Where's the Castlevania games? Where are the 2d Megaman games? z, or zx or otherwise?
  • shawksta - April 18, 2012 9:44 p.m.

    Simply put, Exactly. Having the best of BOTH first party and 3rd party is what makes an Excellent console and why people consider SNES and PS2 as the greatest consoles of all time.(results may vary but you know what i mean) Also,YES, the DS did have a push on 3rd Party, especially the special games for special audiences and the games you described. The GBA followed well with the DS, and now im pretty sure we'll be seeing it transfer from DS to 3DS because they did well but it seems devs are more focus on making things for the 3DS hardware to use. If anything, Project X is HEAVILY on sprites, if it suceeds, it will most definitly encourage devs to make more games of the same calibur and continue with dishing out the 3rd Party DS carried, same goes with Monster Hunter,and Fire Emblem to encourage more japanese developers especially just how big Monster hunter did. Remember the shinobi game on 3DS? You quoted this: "I'd be 700% times more interested in this title, with the exact same gameplay, had it been made with proper 2D sprite graphics, and it would have been cheaper. Seriously, those 3D visuals are atrocious! and completely unneeded in a 2D action game." This is something I %100 agree with you on, Considering all the 2D sprited games on DS, they can still make a kickass 2D sprite game in 3D if they did. Im sure Project X will encourage them if it does well.
  • BladedFalcon - April 20, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    Hey, sorry it took me a while to reply to his one. I planned to, but at the time I got interrupted, and then I kinda forgot about it ^^; But yes, hah, I'm surprised you still have that old quote of mine XD But yes, that's something I'm staunchly in favor of. And well, yeah, Project X so far looks like a wonderful, very promising idea, if they pull it off correctly, it might just be the game that pushes me to get a 3DS.
  • shawksta - April 20, 2012 7:05 p.m.

    No worries man, we all have our distractions in life. Im thinking on the same level for 2D games being on the 3DS, I want more of those, so far, the closest thing is the Eshop games (Mutant Mudds in particular had a nice 3D concept of jumping borders) and the soon to come Paper Mario, but that game is more of a 3D game than a 2D game, the style is 2D though. Anyways, then i remember the comment you made back then, so i went to the article and copy pasted. Hopefully things go well, times now, especially for 3DS,Vita and soon to come Wii U, there not only needs more variety and creative games, but games to Encourage developers to keep them pumping.
  • BladedFalcon - April 20, 2012 9:14 p.m.

    Indeed, agreed there, specially for the Vita, since that system is dangerously drowning itself. It need games, and pronto. Else both gamers and developers will stop caring about it.
  • shawksta - April 20, 2012 10:41 p.m.

    Indeed, Vita has potential, but it doesnt know how to use it, same situation with PSP. I want it to succeed, and make itself its own out there to stand proud next to 3DS. Hopefully things get better in the future or else what you said.
  • aaron-smith - April 17, 2012 7:14 p.m.

    Saying the iPad is a real console is like saying a toaster is a grill. It's unfortunate that the gaming industry has devs like this Oster guy. He's the type of dev that's killing the industry. Coming from a console owner (Wii, 360, PS3, 3DS, and even a Vita) I hope that no serious gamer gives this guy any support. The Wii is a fantastic console that saw third party games under marketed by their developers. Everyone wants to blame Nintendo for everything, and it's quite unfortunate. I love my Wii and all of my 70+ games I own for it. The WiiU (while the name is terrible) is going to be awesome.
  • slimjim441 - April 17, 2012 8:02 p.m.

    The iPad thing wasn't in quotes. Pretty sure that's just Tom Goulter just trolling like a pro.
  • hester2 - April 17, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    You own 70+ games for the Wii? God, I hope you're counting the digital games from the old days. As far as retail goes, there were only 30 or so that were worth buying. And that's coming from someone who loves his Wii. (That sentence is the reason the console name is horrible.)
  • Cyberninja - April 17, 2012 7:06 p.m.

    So he's talking about a Mac game, like its the next big thing, wow. also believe it or not people buy games for wii, like I own more wii games then ps3 games and all are quality titles which is pretty impressive
  • TrAnMu - April 17, 2012 7:06 p.m.

    beamdog huh? Noted. I won't be buying a game from them ever. No amount of damage control can make up for the sheer amount of stupidity foung in those >140 characters. As a developer, you just don't talk about any console developer like that. Especially one that can program circles around you. Miyamoto's shit likely has better story telling and gameplay than your noname game. Get out of here with you iPad crap.
  • CombatWombat101 - April 18, 2012 1:48 a.m.

    I'm sorry, but did you just call Baldur's Gate a "noname game"? Really? Baldur's Fucking Gate? Your argument is invalid.
  • Cyberninja - April 18, 2012 3:47 a.m.

    how is his argument invaild? I believe you may have been one 5 people who actually heard of this game before this article, but yes its a no name game if most people don't instantly recognize it, say the creator of Kingdom Hearts said that then people would actually care what was just said.
  • festerblatz82 - April 18, 2012 5:48 a.m.

    Wow...just wow.
  • CombatWombat101 - April 18, 2012 6:09 a.m.

    You should both actually look up Baldur's Gate / Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn (not the top-down console hack n' slashers). They were two of the biggest RPGs of their time, and I don't just mean the length of the games themselves. They might not be as well-known nowadays because they came out quite a while ago, but that doesn't in any way make Baldur's Gate a "noname" franchise. And before you throw out the "only appeals to old gamers" argument: I'm only 22, but I have extremely fond memories of playing both these games. I still have my BG2 disks, actually.
  • TrAnMu - April 18, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    Regardless, this game is widely unknown and to trash a system, and by association, a company like nintendo, and not be relevant yourself is just stupid. Like Cyberninja said, if square enix said something like this, then I think it would hold so much more weight. But beamdog? No sir. I doubt they'll be missed on ninty's console. I hadn't heard of it before and will likely forget about it soon after this article.
  • Arehexes - April 18, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    Played Baldur's Gate and thought it was a snooze, and this was when it came out. But I kinda feel bad you have to get your panties in a twist because someone won't say your game you love is great. I mean I don't get mad at people when they say pokemon is the best game for monster catching/raising (That is Shin Megami thank you very much)
  • Dadyo238 - April 17, 2012 6:57 p.m.

    Let's watch the amount of purchasers drop after that douchebagery. Like cmon, the Wii is as much a game console as PS3 and Xbox, and MUCH more than an iPad. You say the Wii's a toy and yet you're putting your game on a big touchscreen! WADD

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