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  • nekto157 - April 7, 2014 11:11 p.m.

    We can't confirm whether Shepard was indoctrinated but about destroying the Reapers being the red option whereas controlling them being the blue option, there's another way to see. Shepard was warned that by destroying the Reapers with the Crucible, other synthetics would be destroyed. (You know? EDI, which is your squadmate, and the Geth, which you've saved.) Not to mention frying a lot of tech. That can qualify as a renegade option and hence the red option. Controlling the Reapers, though, grants the galaxy an access to technology of unprecedented height. Thus, it's the blue option. This is just another interpretation of the two options.
  • El_Rocky_Raccoon - April 4, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    Majora's Mask origin is covered in the manga.
  • N7Spartan95 - January 17, 2014 5:34 a.m.

    With the Extended Cut and the Leviathan DLC, I don't have a problem anymore taking the ME3 endings at face value. I'd rather believe that Shepard actually activated the Crucible and destroyed the Reapers than believe that everything I saw after shooting the tube was a hallucination, which implies that the game actually doesn't even have an ending at all. So you're telling me that I just saved the galaxy, then you're telling me that I didn't and that it was all a dream? Bullshit. That said, the Reapers/Catalyst were definitely trying to influence Shepard towards Control or Synthesis (the latter being ideal), which they thought were better solutions to the whole synthetics/organics problem (which is a flawed motivation for their actions, but that's a separate issue). Whether or not Shepard choosing either of those actions is a sign of him/her being indoctrinated is a matter of personal interpretation. Of course, I always pick Destroy, so it makes little difference in the end. Either way, the Reapers can go fuck themselves.
  • Tren_Frost - January 18, 2014 8:49 p.m.

    Of course the Control and Synthesis endings were leaned towards: they're the only endings that prevent an eventual recurrence of a synthetic/organic war on the scale that forced organics to inadvertently create the Reapers. In Control, Shepherd is now in charge of the Reapers, so he can intervene in any war that pops up to keep the peace. Synthesis means that there is no division between organic and inorganic lifeforms, meaning no war on such a scale can occur. Destroy, and the reason it was the Renegade option, took both of those defensive options away from the galaxy. Without the strength of the Reapers to end an organic/inorganic war, or without making all living beings equal, eventually history, the cycle, will repeat itself. And to top it all off, the actual act of destroying the Reapers destroys ALL inorganic life in the galaxy. The good Geth, EDI, any sentient inorganic life was snuffed out when Shepard decides that destroying the reapers is more important than protecting the galaxy. Destroy is the selfish option, that's why it's the renegade option.
  • N7Spartan95 - January 18, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    Of course conflict between synthetics and organics is inevitable, but that's because conflict itself is an unavoidable part of life. Whether it be between synthetics and organics, organics and organics, or synthetics and synthetics, there will ALWAYS be wars and conflicts. In essence, the Catalyst/Reapers were created to try to solve a problem that is at its core unsolvable due to the fundamental nature of sentient life (or life in general, for that matter). However, if the peaceful resolution to the quarian/geth conflict indicates anything, it's that we are capable of dealing with these problems as they arise WITHOUT the Reapers acting as overlords. Will there still be conflicts? Of course there will be. But we can deal with it ourselves. I'm not going to pretend that Destroy doesn't have its moral issues, but both Control and Synthesis are worse in my opinion. Control ends the war, sure, but it also presents an extreme amount of risk as you're giving one person (Shepard) power over a force that has already caused galactic extinction 20,000+ times. Who is to say that power won't be misused in the future? The saying "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" comes to mind, and to pretend that this doesn't apply to Shepard is ludicrous. Simply put, NO ONE should have that kind of power; not the Catalyst, not the Illusive Man, not even Shepard. As far as Synthesis goes, it should not be overlooked that what it entails is fundamentally and IRREVERSIBLY altering the very fabric of all life in the entire galaxy. This doesn't just mean the humans and the turians and the geth and all the other races we know, it means EVERYTHING. Every single organism all the way down to plants, every single indigenous species on every planet that hasn't been discovered yet, every advanced AI. This is a choice that literally affects EVERYONE and changes EVERYTHING. Is that really a choice Shepard has the right to make? One that changes the very nature of life itself, whether or not said life actually WELCOMES this kind of change? All because a race of genocidal machines and their AI overlord said it was a good idea? Which brings me to why I pick Destroy. For the past billion years, the Reapers determined the course of life in the galaxy according to the Catalyst's pre-programmed assumptions. Empires rose and fell, but no matter what, the Reapers were the ones that decided whether sentient life lived or died, and the answer was always "die." The various civilizations of the Milky Way were never able to change this; they had no say in the matter, no choice. Sovereign's infamous line, "you exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it" was the norm. With the Reapers destroyed, the galaxy finally gains what the Reapers denied it all that time: freedom. The freedom to forge its own path, choose its own fate. Control and Synthesis grant no such freedom. Control still leaves the Reapers in charge, just with Shepard at the head and not the Catalyst. Synthesis forces the entire galaxy down a certain evolutionary path; one that the Reapers decided was best and convinced Shepard to go along with. Either way, the Reapers still control the galaxy's fate. If they're destroyed, all of that ends. We are no longer bound to the whims of a race of giant robotic squids; instead we are able to decide the course of our own destiny, and if our civilization eventually falls, it'll be on OUR terms. That's not to say that the loss of the galaxy's synthetic life isn't regrettable. The destruction of the geth and EDI is no doubt tragic and sad, but if that's what it takes to end the Reaper menace, so be it. Their sacrifice will not be forgotten, and they will serve as an example to future generations that an understanding between synthetics and organics IS possible if we try. There will be issues, yes, but now we know we can move past them to build a brighter future for ALL life. A future that is, for the first time in a billion years, our own. Well, that response was way longer than it needed to be. Ah well, it was fun to write.
  • Tren_Frost - January 18, 2014 11:55 p.m.

    lol, no probs man. Enjoying the discussion. I would say that the entire point of Shepard IS to make these decisions on behalf of the rest of the galaxy. It was Shepard who decided whether to continue the Rachni extinction, or give them a second chance at rebirth. It was Shepard who decided whether thousands of humans died in the defense of the Citadel, or the Counsel's leadership. Shepard aided a terrorist organization and supplied them Reaper technology that was used to kill or indoctrinate millions of beings. Shepard not only decided whether to end the Krogan Genophage, but also placed or removed the leadership necessary to avoid another Krogan Rebellion. Shepard determined who had the greater right to live, the solitary Geth or the vengeful Quarians. Shepard destroyed an entire planet and millions of Batarians to delay the Reaper invasion. Shepard prepared the galaxy to defend against its coming doom. What gives him the right to make these decision? He's THE Shepard! His entire existence is to change the galaxy! Everything Shepard touches changes and effects everything in the galaxy. Throughout the entire trilogy, you make choices that effect everyone from repairing or destroying family relationships of your teammates, to destroying or repairing entire civilizations. Shepard needs no right to make decisions on behalf of the galaxy. He's The Shepard. He is the Catalyst. He is change. You cannot question his ability to choose the fate of all beings, when the entire trilogy was him choosing the fate of all beings. The AI was never meant to end the VIOLENCE between synthetics and organics, they were meant to prevent the EXTINCTION of organic beings by synthetics. The AI (and subsequently the Reapers) was built specifically to protect that ancient alien race from being wiped out, not preventing them from having war. The AI determined that eventually, synthetics would always overpower and wipe out organic races, so the only solution the AI determined was to prevent synthetics from being created in the first place. Multiple cycles were shown to end up in the same outcome, organics build synthetics, war begins, synthetics nearly defeat organics, Reapers arrive, destroy both while leaving lesser sentient organics alone to begin the cycle over. It's not a great solution, because it's an AI without the capability of empathy, or emotion in general. It's just a math equation to the AI. And as far as the Geth/Quarian peace showing that synthetic/organic life can coexist...that peace would not exist without the decisions made by The Shepard. The Geth fought and nearly wiped out the Quarians, only their decision to isolate themselves prevented the genocide. Left without the intervention of The Shepard, the Quarians would have eventually fought to regain their homeworld. Only this time there would be no Legion to interface with the other Geth, the Quarians would be lacking key technology to bolster their defenses, nor the presence of key Quarians in their leadership. The Quarians, without the aid of Shepard would have been wiped out. It's very likely from there the Geth could decide that despite their efforts at isolation, organics would continue to want them destroyed. At that point the Geth may decide that the only option left to preserve themselves is to destroy the organics, and thus the AI's predictions would once again be fulfilled. That peace is only there because of Shepard, THE Shepard. The catalyst of change is the only thing that breaks the cycles. And I have more, but I'm tired. I'll see you tomorrow! Love the talk.
  • octavio-echeverria - January 19, 2014 8:23 p.m.

    It looks like a very vague description of the theory but in fact if you look at the actual theory, it blows mind, at least mine did. You should try and watch it, there are videos on youtube.
  • talleyXIV - January 15, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    I thought Chell/Caroline/Cave was actually part of the story that we were supposed to pick up on...
  • db1331 - January 15, 2014 8:49 a.m.

    #2 is what I immediately thought of when I saw the article, and it just HAS to be true. If you take ME 3's ending at face value, it's quite possibly the worst end to a game, let alone a trilogy, that has ever been made. But if it all just took place in Shepard's head, which I believe it did, it's actually incredibly brilliant.
  • Tren_Frost - January 18, 2014 8:37 p.m.

    Having a sucky fake ending is not better than a sucky real ending. That's not actually an ending at all.
  • Mafu - April 3, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    I totally agree with you. If the indoctrination theory is true, it's absolutely brilliant. I'm not saying that it's true. But, in that case, it makes sense.
  • joe-cain - January 14, 2014 8:59 p.m.

    7 just isn't true. Ventus is the reason he they can dual wield, and Roxas and Xion could only wield at all because they're essentially splinters off of Sora. As for Riku dual wielding, the two times i can think of him doing this were when he disarmed Roxas, and when he handed Kairi what turns out to be her OWN keyblade. I think he just helped her manifest it.
  • darnell-richards - January 15, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    Xion was technically the reason for Roxas being able to dual wield it, her death was enough to awaken Ventus keyblade at least.
  • SpadesSlick - January 16, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    Yep. Roxxas is basically the nobody of Sora and Ventus (hence why he looks like Ven) which is why he can dual wield. Xion dying just awoke that power in him. She never existed as a real person and her keyblade was fake as a result.
  • ultimatepunchrod - January 14, 2014 5:05 p.m.

    Even though I'm not a huge Final Fantasy fan, the creepy theory that Squall is dead for most of FF 8 really had me interested. I believe I first heard of that one in one of GR's other Top 7s.
  • GOD - January 13, 2014 9:11 p.m.

    #7 Yeah no that doesn't work because Riku can also dual wield. Sorry. #6 While the description for each mask is similar, they clearly aren't describing the same mask because both exist and are pretty different. That means that if they were both made by the same group (the Twili) then it would mean that they made an cursed mask, were banished for it, somehow redeemed themselves, made another cursed mask, and were banished again. If you go to the Zelda wiki there are some more plausible theories for the origin of Majora's Mask. Did you forget that A Link Between Worlds just came out? #4 I'm sorry but that theory is wishful thinking. They like to put in rewarding easter egss across unrelated games under the Nintendo umbrella, but this is not the same thing as a story tie like finding a similar item in a Zelda game. #3 I thought this was pretty clearly outlined in the game? Portal is all about telling a story without actually explicitly letting you know anything. Chell being Caroline's daughter seemed pretty evident if you tried to follow all the writing between the lines. #1 It is called Limbo after all. Limbo is not just the place between Heaven and Hell, but also sometimes considered the edge of hell and I think that matches your journey through Limbo pretty well.
  • Arobadope - January 14, 2014 5:43 a.m.

    Just because Riku can also dual wield doesn't mean Xion isn't the reason as to why Sora and Roxas can dual wield. I don't really believe in the theory but your reason for debunking it is flawed.
  • daniel-reyes - January 13, 2014 7:29 p.m.

    I hope the one of Majora's Mask is not true, I just don't like the idea, and the one of Nintendo beign in the same universe mmm I wouldn't actually like that either since games like Metroid seem no to fit something like a Mario or Kirby universe. Still at least Donkey Kong and Mario seem to be in the same universe.

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