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  • TheRetroReplay - August 13, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    Fan outrage is justified, do you not remember what Square Enix said after the Tomb Raider reboot launched? They said that sales did not reach they wanted, in the first month it sold 3.4 million copies, that's $204,000,000 dollars, they made their money back plus profit. Their goal was to sell 6 million copies in the first month which is pretty unrealistic considering that other games, like Bioshock Infinite, came out the same month. We are in a dangerous era of gaming, as the phrase "AAA titles.development" goes on the rise publishers are willing to kill off a series if it didn't meet their projected sales goal regardless if the game made a profit. As Jim Sterling said, publishers would rather make no money, than some money, if they can't have all the money. Considering that the PS4 has a much larger install base than that X1, releasing it on a system with a small install base is practically suicide. Microsoft hoping that it'll help push systems out the door is a pipe dream as no one buys a system for a single game anymore, which will result in Square Enix's projected sales taking a massive hit and then they'll come out and say that the game was unsuccessful and even if they make a profit from it, they might cancel the series because their next big title didn't reach their goals again. Even as we breathe a sigh of relief that the next Tomb Raider is a timed exclusive, it still doesn't help initial sales goal because there are at least twice as many PS4s in households than there are X1s. People are afraid that a move such as this will kill the series off and that's why they're mad.
  • ollyn - August 13, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    I think people are used to games being exclusive to one console or another, and sequels become exclusives is nothing to get out of hand over. I think there probably would have just been a bit of disgruntled indignation if they had come out last month and said we've got Tomb Raider exclusive to xbox. They didn't instead they announced the game and everyone, and in all fairness fairly understandably, assumed that we'd see it on PC, PS4 and maybe PS3 alongside Xbox like we did with Tomb Raider. Then this month we get the news that we aren't getting it at all. Yes we aren't sure about the length of this agreement and in true poor PR fashion nobody has given a straight answer. Microsoft announcing a new Tomb Raider exclusive would have been huge. The way it happened makes it look like they are buying up Tomb Raider, a game that obviously got through pre-development to the point of announcement without Microsoft, just to prop up the sales of their flagging console. Fans won't care that it makes financial sense to SE or CD, they just know that if they want to play it they now have to spend a few $100 on a console to play it. money they didn't think they'd have to spend when this game was announced. If that doesn't cause some outrage then i don't know what will. Totally piss poor way to handle the situation.
  • CitizenWolfie - August 13, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    Admittedly I raged pretty hard given that last year's TR was the first one I really gave a shit about since Legend. I thought it was exactly what the series needed. So yeah, it sucked but more so because I also couldn't figure out how a company could justify taking an established multi million selling IP and making it single platform. I'm glad PS owners will eventually be able to play it but I'm pretty certain that we'll cope in the meantime with this promising indie title I've heard about. Uncharted or something like that?
  • GOD - August 13, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    This whole thing is silly. If you aren't a die hard console fanboy, then who cares because you'll get to play it eventually. If you're a Sony fanboy then notice that MS is only snagging timed exclusives so you're still A OK. If you're a MS fanboy then notice that Sony it getting many of it's exclusives by helping publish the games so they will be Sony exclusive forever. The only two MS exclusives being published by MS (that aren't first party) are Sunset Overdrive and Scalebound. Everything else from Cuphead and Inside to Tomb Raider will come to PS4 later. By this outlook the only people that should really be frustrated are Xbox One owners.
  • RedHarlow - August 13, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    Square Enix said they were disappointed with the sales figures for the 2013 Tomb Raider, I don't see how an exclusivity agreement would help.
  • Shigeruken - August 13, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    This deal was a waste of money on Microsoft's part. I don't buy in to the 'at least it's getting made' idea because we're talking about a huge multiplatform franchise that sold well on all platforms. Also, Sony sold their shares because they're hurting financially, and these are shares originally bought more or less to help square when they were in need of money back in the day. If this deal has a duration, then I don't think it's impossible that Sony was made aware of and agreed to this deal; not wasting money on a ridiculous deal like this is in Sony's best interest, and not asking Sony to waste money is in square's best interest given the two companies' odd relationship. Did I mention that I think getting bloody tomb raider as a timed exclusive is a waste of money? It's right up there with beta exclusivity and timed dlc imo.
  • bobob101 - August 13, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    On one hand, you have the fact that I wouldn't be able to play this game if it stayed on Xbox. On the other hand, it is a perfectly normal business practice for a company to want to have a unique good product. I am happy knowing that I will get a chance to play Tomb Raider, but if I couldn't that's all there is to it. I don't have a large game budget, so if I couldn't get Tomb Raider, that actually makes my buying decision a little easier.
  • Hyperion - August 13, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    sure NOW the outrage is unnecesary. now we have all the facts. but yesterday you yourselves said: "That's not timed exclusive. That's fully, fully exclusive. As in, not coming to PS4. Impressive stuff." (which i'm sure really helped calm people down) reaction totally justified.
  • commandoclone87 - August 13, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    Except that everyone heard the word exclusive and jumped right to conclusions which turned out to be wrong. I may have an Xbox One, but even I could see through the smoke and realized it for what it was, a ploy to sell more units in hope of catching up to Sony's lead. That said, they should really have expected the backlash considering the kind of vocalization that we saw after every misfire (big and small) from Blizzard (Diablo III launch), EA (Mass Effect 3, Sim City), Ubisoft (No female assassins in Unity), Sony (Security Breach) and Microsoft (Xbox One reveal).
  • jomipira - August 13, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    It's a least not probable that the game was made because of Microsoft. If that was the case, like Bayonetta 2 and Nintendo, it would be the first thing Crystal Dinamics or Microsoft would have said. So the game was going to be made, it was coming out in all platforms and Microsoft paid to have an exclusive. What's the problem? It's one. Exclusives used to be games you made for your clients, increasing their experience in the console. Now, with this, an exclusive is a game that was already made and that you pay for others not to play it. Microsoft is not concerned in improving the experience for Xbox owners but in damaging the experience for everyone else. It's like someone being turned into the best paid worker in the company not by getting a raise, but by lowering everyone else's salary. Xbox owners are playing the game the same way they were before, so for them it's the same.
  • SpadesSlick - August 13, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    Welcome to gaming since forever.
  • FoxdenRacing - August 13, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    We may have to agree to disagree on this one [though thank you for trying to be even-handed about it!] With the timing of the various announcement, I have no doubts that there's some behind-the-scenes maneuvering that those of us on the outside simply won't be aware of, likely having to do with hurt feelings Square and Sony. The good news of course is that it's time-limited, but with how annoying Square's been as of late with "only" selling 3-5 million copies, one would think they'd try to maximize their audience...though people tend to get real stupid in the face of a briefcase full of money. The statement coming from the devs about 'Their friends' is standard PR-speak. Nothing to see there, it's run of the mill 'keep corporate happy or they'll make your life miserable' stuff. In the end though, Square and MS are taking a big gamble. If RotTR ends up being a turd, or even simply underwhelming, the entire PS fanbase is going to have months to smell it coming, and overall sales will be hurt...and MS isn't going to see a good ROI unless it becomes an absolute must-have. But again, people do stupid things with there's money on the line. People also do really stupid things when the "us" in "us vs them" feels threatened, too. With stunts like this, holding breaths and stamping feet over every insignificant thing, is there any wonder the business types consider the typical gamer a whiny little kid? There's plenty of shady, customer-hostile, and downright sleazy things to be justifiably upset about, and "we won't get to play until after the hype dies down" is the one that gets attention? C'mon gamers, we're better than this.
  • commandoclone87 - August 13, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    It's because gamers (even if not all, but a large vocal portion) are whiny, entitled little children. Hell, people sent death threats to developers because they tweaked stats on a weapon in COD. If we want devs and pubs to start treating us fairly, we have to start acting like reasonable adults. Sadly, that will never happen.
  • Redeater - August 13, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    Holy Christ, how is it you wrote an entire article without actually providing anything beyond the most shallow points of what could be summed up as "Deal with it"? I knew GR's quality has dipped but have you guys really resorted to these Gawker style click-bait articles? I used to visit and comment on this site a couple times a day but stopped doing so after the steady decline in originality, humor and quality.
  • TurkeyOnRye - August 13, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    Did you read the whole article? It's not click-bait. She makes her points fairly clear. Yes the facts are still unknown as to why this happened, but there's a chance that this step made the game possible. Does it suck for PC/PS4 owners? Yes, at first. Does this decision make sense? Not entirely yet. Is it worth all of the internet/fanboy rage? Now that we know it's just a time exclusive, no. Sure it's ok to be frustrated, but there's no need to be calling for the heads of CD/SE. She right. There's no satisfying gamers at large. And yes, the site is in a transition period, They lost some main players. Others are stepping up to the plate. However, it sounds like you're a well-known video game journalist since you seem to be able to dole out such scathing criticism. How's your site doing, hmmm?
  • Redeater - August 13, 2014 2:05 p.m.

    That's one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Because I'm not a journalist I can't call bullshit when I see it? Should I swallow every Uwe Boll movie gleefully because I'm not a director or film critic? Also, since you seem so intent on asking, I would never even think of starting a videogame site because I'm not 16 years old. Most of us prefer to attend and graduate university so that we can buy nice cars and vacation somewhere outside of our country.
  • TurkeyOnRye - August 13, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    You're right, you should be able to have an opinion. You were just a complete ass about it in your first post. Completely unnecessary. But hey, it's the internet, right? Anonymity and all of that. You now have the right to be a complete ass. Also, those last statements might make the GR crew smirk because they're cynical bastards, but I'd be damned insulted. Just because they work at this website means they're uneducated? Hell, most people should find those statements offensive. Most people don't get to go to college. They find horrible jobs that they hate to support their families and wish they could parlay their interests into careers. You're also right, most of us who do get to go to college enter with the intent of getting nice cars or vacation somewhere tropical. Then we grow up at some point and realize our goals need to be more focused and maybe a little more altruistic because we're older than 16. Most of us.
  • dc1 - August 13, 2014 10:41 p.m.

    Cough.. This is for educational purposes. I have a site. Just started it with a close friend. We happen to be very well off with families, kids and multiple cars (because you made cars a point of emphasis). Just a couple of 40 year old guys having fun writing about the things we enjoy. Movies, Games, Sports. Life is grand Redeater and perspective is not a gimme. Push the pause button and consider the other side, learn a little every day.
  • Wade D McGinnis - August 13, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    SE complains about TR sales.... SE makes exclusive deal with MS for an unknown amount of time... I can totally see your logic Ashley.
  • Redeater - August 13, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    This is either click-bait or one of the worst argued articles I have ever read. Regardless, I can't believe the chief editor approved this one.

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