Beyond: Two Souls review

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  • StonedMagician99 - October 8, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    Honestly, I think that unless a story is told in a way that really rakes advantage of the fact that it's being told through a video game, this type of genre should just go away. Having taken turns with a friend playing through both Heavy Rain and Beyond, I can say with certainty that neither of us had all that much fun playing them. In HR, you did make meaningful choices, but the plot was badly told and even worsely (I guess that's a word) acted. In Beyond, the story was interesting and better told, but aside from a small handful of choices near the end, your decisions really do not affect the gameplay or the story in any noticeable way. Ultimately, the fact that the narratives of both games (as well as Indigo Prophecy) are almost completely linear drags them down. Also, even if the stories of all three were utterly brilliant, they would be okay EXPERIENCES, but bad GAMES. The vast majority of the gameplay of IP, HR, and Beyond consists of QTEs, making it incredibly hard to feel like you're actually in the game. In all of these games, it would be perfectly possible to play them like other games (meaning: incorporate some actual gameplay rather than just using the four face buttons). But instead, David Cage seemingly finds it impossible to bring himself to trust players, out of the fear that they'll venture even a step off the path. I dunno. They all just feel very pretentious and player-unfriendly.
  • BladedFalcon - October 8, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Learn what pretentious means first, please. That term gets thrown around way too much these days without merit.
  • duffer00 - October 8, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    I know! People always say other things are like "biased" but it seems like every other comment throws out that word but nobody uses it correctly.
  • BladedFalcon - October 8, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    It's because the internet is filled with ignorant shitheads trying to sound smarter than they are by using words they don't even understand.
  • duffer00 - October 8, 2013 6:33 p.m.

    Tell me about it. They don't have the enlightenment given to me by my fedora and neckbeard combination. The ponytail is my real power source though. I'm surrounded by plebs.
  • StonedMagician99 - October 9, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    1. @BladedFalcon: I know what pretentious means. If I didn't, I would spare myself the embarassment of using it wrongly. 2. @Rhymenocerous: I have played, and love, Telltale's The Walking Dead game. The main difference between TWD and Beyond is that in TWD, virtually every choice you make has real consequence, immediate or not. In Beyond, the vast majority of choices result in very small changes that really don't mean anything (maybe a character later will say a different line, or Jodie will tackle a situation differently, but in a way that still resolves the same way). In both good and bad ways, this, more so than Indigo Prophecy or Heavy Rain, feels like a movie. The good: the presentation is slick, camera angles fine, performances great. The bad is that due to largely inconsequential decisions, along with gameplay consisting almost entirely of QTEs, really make you feel like you're not participating in the game's events, just watching them happen. If you prefer to just watch the story unfold without affecting how it does (except at the VERY end), then Beyond is a perfectly fine game.
  • BladedFalcon - October 9, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    And yet, neither of your criticisms of Cage's games both in this post, and the previous one in any way fit the description of what "Pretentious" means... Also, your assessment of choice being meaningful and having a real consequence in TWD is completely false. TWD does a good job in making you FEEL like your choices matter, but in reality they do not, at all. At most they chance future dialogue and callbacks, or change some characters in certain moments, but even when this happens, said variable character never does anything meaningful in those scenarios in order to make it so the scene can work with or without him. At the end of the day, the story of TWD proceeds and ends the same no matter what kind of choices you make, and the choices that are left open for the future are likely going to play out like the choices in the Mass Effect series. In cool ways maybe, but always ultimately inconsequential. ...So in that sense, games like Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls work pretty much the same. TWD is acclaimed largely because of it's story, not it's gameplay, which is serviceable at best, but largely non-existent for the most part, and the shooting is super mediocre when it pops up. Thus, judging by your own words, yes, Beyond two souls sounds like a perfectly fine game, which has the same problems that TWD has in broad terms. Which makes your love for one series and distaste for the other kinda baffling, unless the reason is that you simply like the story and characters of one far better than the other... Which is totally fine and fair, it's just not what you were arguing or complaining about at first.
  • Rhymenocerous - October 8, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Maybe you should try The Walking Dead (Telltale adventure, not Activision shit-fest).
  • MojoSmelz - October 8, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    Well, i loved heavy rain. the gameplay was alright, not that there was much there but the story more than made up for it. I reckon this'll be just as good as heavy rain, but i never bought heavy rain, i was lent it by a friend and once it was completed i gave it back. And sadly thats as much as i want to invest in this game aswell. It looks great and is i love david cages previous games, but they are sadly not the kind of game i want to spend 60 euros on, but one i'm eager to play once the price drops or i'm able to borrow it from a friend.
  • sternparez - October 8, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    I actually really liked Heavy Rain but, I dunno I just don't feel the draw to play this.
  • rainn'sgaydar - October 8, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    I'll probably get this on the cheap sometime next year. Looks interesting, but not enough. Plus, you know, Pokemon in 5 days.
  • MidianGTX - October 8, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    "Pokemon in 5 days and I haven't aged in a decade".
  • ObliqueZombie - October 8, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    I never have--nor ever will--play Heavy Rain, only because I saw a majority of it played by my girlfriend. Quite frankly, I enjoyed it, too. It's one of the first, if not only, games I can sit through the entire thing while doing something else or nothing at all. I'll definitely enjoy watching her play this.
  • GR_ZachBetka - October 8, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    I highly recommend watching someone play this game! I had someone watching me play the game in the office here and it was interesting to see what they thought was prescripted and what I controlled. Usually they were surprised that I was controlling something that looked liked a cut scene. Also it's just super pretty.
  • TanookiMan - October 8, 2013 3:12 p.m.

    Did you try two player? And/ or is it worth downloading the app to control with a touchscreen?
  • larkan - October 8, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    I think Ellen Page would've been better off lending her likeness to Naughty Dog.
  • PlainLikeVanilla - October 8, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    How is this even a game? Optional QTE's seriously? David Cage needs to go make movies.
  • MidianGTX - October 8, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    Maybe it isn't a game then. Who cares? It's enter-freakin'-tainment. You don't need to stick a label on it if people are getting enjoyment from the experience.
  • gilgamesh310 - October 8, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    He lacks the writing skill to do movies. The guy is a pompous idiot who thinks he's actually advancing the medium of gaming with his terrible writing and barely present gameplay.
  • MeanwhileGuy - October 8, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    I'm pretty sure it deserves more than a 7, but I was sold on the game the moment I touched the demo. And as far as I can tell, the people who didn't like Heavy Rain are saying it's not worth your time, people who liked it are saying the complete opposite, and official reviews are hedging their bets a bit and saying "It's good, but you'll like it better if you liked Heavy Rain."
  • GR_ZachBetka - October 8, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    I really, really wanted to give it more then a 7. I think it's a very important game, and I think everybody should play it, but I couldn't score it on that aspect alone. There were definitely writing flaws that brought the score down. And I don't know about that Heavy Rain comment: I wasn't the biggest fan of Heavy Rain but Beyond I can really get behind.
  • MeanwhileGuy - October 8, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Well, it's currently sitting at the top of my list, so there's no way I'm not going to play it. I very much agree with you: it is an important game; if you can look past David Cage's somewhat pretentious self-presentation, I do think he is one of the most avant-garde and creative developers out there. I loved Heavy Rain, though I can see the multiple gaping holes in its writing. Maybe Cage needs to write his games with a team instead of on his own. And a 7 is still a great score in my books (something the rest of the industry seems to have forgotten), though I'm fairly certain it'll be a personal 8 for me, because its visuals are astounding, Ellen Page and Willem Dafoe are fantastic actors, and Quantic Dream are some of my favourite developers.
  • BladedFalcon - October 8, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    ...It sounds like it has the strengths of Heavy Rain, the weaknesses of heavy rain... So it's safe to say that if you enjoyed heavy rain, you'll enjoy this one, and viceversa, right? Cause I'm definitely checking it out, might not be perfect, but knowing that it isn't outright horrible, I want to reward when someone tries something new, even if it's someone as polarizing as David Cage.
  • Vonter - October 8, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Well, if it's at least a good story it warrants a try.

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Release date: Oct 08 2013 - PS3 (US)
Available Platforms: PS4, PS3
Genre: Other Games/Compilations
Published by: Sony Computer Entertainment
Developed by: Quantic Dream
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