Skip to main content
Join The Community
- Join our community
11
Premium Benefits
24/7
Access Available
21K+
Active Members
Commenting
Join the discussion
Exclusive Articles Coming Soon
Member-only articles
Weekly Newsletters
Weekly gaming & entertainment news
Member Badges
Earn badges as you go
Exclusive Competitions
Members-only prize draws
Curated Deals Coming Soon
Tech and gaming deals worth grabbing
GET COMMUNITY ACCESS QUICK
For the quickest way to join, simply enter your email below and get access. We will send a confirmation and sign you up to our newsletter to keep you updated on all your gaming news.
By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.
FIND OUT ABOUT OUR MAGAZINE
Want to subscribe to the magazine? Click the button below to find out more information.
Find out more
GET Community ACCESS QUICK

Join the GamesRadar community for quick access. Enter your email below and we'll send confirmation, and sign you up to our newsletter.

By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.

Background
Welcome to GamesRADAR+ Community !
Hi ,

Your membership journey starts here.

Keep exploring and earning more as a member.

MY ACCOUNT

Badge picture
Earn your first badge
Read 1 article to unlock your first badge.
Keep earning badges
Explore ways to get more involved as a member.
Latest Games News

Latest Games News

Breaking gaming news and updates

Read Now
Latest Games Reviews

Latest Games Reviews

Expert verdicts on the newest releases

Read Now

See what you’ve unlocked.

Explore your membership benefits.

Explore
Member Exclusives

Stay Ahead with GamesRadar+

Get the biggest gaming news, reviews, and releases straight to your inbox.

Explore

Sign Out
GamesRadar+ GamesRadar+
US EditionUS CA EditionCanada UK EditionUK AU EditionAustralia
Sign in
  • View Profile
  • Sign out
  • Games
    • Game Insights
      • Games News
      • Games Features
      • Games Reviews
      • Games Guides
      • Big in 2026
      • The Big Preview
      • On The Radar
      • Indie Spotlight
      • Future Games Show
      • Golden Joystick Awards
    • Genres
      • Action Games
      • RPGs
      • Action RPGs
      • Adventure Games
      • Third Person Shooters
      • FPS Games
    • Platforms
      • PS5
      • Xbox Series X
      • PC
      • Nintendo Switch
      • Nintendo Switch 2
      • Tabletop Gaming
    • Franchises
      • Grand Theft Auto
      • Pokemon
      • Assassin's Creed
      • Monster Hunter
      • Fortnite
      • Cyberpunk
      • Red Dead
      • The Elder Scrolls
      • The Sims
  • Entertainment
    • TV Shows
      • TV News
      • TV Reviews
      • Anime Shows
      • Sci-Fi Shows
      • Superhero Shows
      • Animated Shows
      • Marvel TV Shows
      • Star Wars TV Shows
      • DC TV Shows
    • Movies
      • Movie News
      • Movie Reviews
      • Big Screen Spotlight
      • Superhero Movies
      • Action Movies
      • Anime Movies
      • Sci-Fi Movies
      • Horror Movies
      • Marvel Movies
      • DC Movies
    • Streaming
      • Apple TV Plus
      • Disney Plus
      • Netflix
      • HBO
      • Amazon Prime Video
      • Hulu
    • Comics
      • Marvel Comics
      • DC Comics
    • Toys & Collectibles
    • Lego
    • Dungeons and Dragons
    • Merch
  • Hardware
    • Insights
      • Hardware News
      • Hardware Reviews
      • Hardware Features
    • Computing
      • Desktop PCs
      • Laptops
      • Handhelds
    • Peripherals
      • Headsets & Headphones
      • TVs & Monitors
      • Gaming Mice
      • Gaming Keyboards
      • Gaming Chairs
      • Speakers & Audio
    • Accessories & Tech
      • Gaming Controllers
      • Tech
      • SSDs & Hard Drives
      • VR
      • Accessories
      • Retro
  • Deals
    • Game Deals
    • Tech Deals
    • TV Deals
    • Buying Guides
  • Video
    • Video
    • GR+ Replay - Submit Your Clips
  • Newsletters
    • Quizzes
    • About Us
    • How to pitch to us
    • How we score
    • Newsarama
    • Retro Gamer
    • Total Film
  • home
  • Games
    • View Games
      • Games News
      • Games Features
      • Games Reviews
      • Games Guides
      • Big in 2026
      • The Big Preview
      • On The Radar
      • Indie Spotlight
      • Future Games Show
      • Golden Joystick Awards
      • Action Games
      • RPGs
      • Action RPGs
      • Adventure Games
      • Third Person Shooters
      • FPS Games
    • Platforms
      • View Platforms
      • PS5
      • Xbox Series X
      • PC
      • Nintendo Switch
      • Nintendo Switch 2
      • Tabletop Gaming
      • Grand Theft Auto
      • Pokemon
      • Assassin's Creed
      • Monster Hunter
      • Fortnite
      • Cyberpunk
      • Red Dead
      • The Elder Scrolls
      • The Sims
  • Entertainment
    • View Entertainment
    • TV Shows
      • View TV Shows
      • TV News
      • TV Reviews
      • Anime Shows
      • Sci-Fi Shows
      • Superhero Shows
      • Animated Shows
      • Marvel TV Shows
      • Star Wars TV Shows
      • DC TV Shows
    • Movies
      • View Movies
      • Movie News
      • Movie Reviews
      • Big Screen Spotlight
      • Superhero Movies
      • Action Movies
      • Anime Movies
      • Sci-Fi Movies
      • Horror Movies
      • Marvel Movies
      • DC Movies
    • Streaming
      • View Streaming
      • Apple TV Plus
      • Disney Plus
      • Netflix
      • HBO
      • Amazon Prime Video
      • Hulu
    • Comics
      • View Comics
      • Marvel Comics
      • DC Comics
    • Toys & Collectibles
    • Lego
    • Dungeons and Dragons
    • Merch
  • Hardware
    • View Hardware
      • Hardware News
      • Hardware Reviews
      • Hardware Features
      • Desktop PCs
      • Laptops
      • Handhelds
    • Peripherals
      • View Peripherals
      • Headsets & Headphones
      • TVs & Monitors
      • Gaming Mice
      • Gaming Keyboards
      • Gaming Chairs
      • Speakers & Audio
      • Gaming Controllers
      • Tech
      • SSDs & Hard Drives
      • VR
      • Accessories
      • Retro
  • Deals
    • View Deals
    • Game Deals
    • Tech Deals
    • TV Deals
    • Buying Guides
  • Video
    • View Video
    • Video
    • GR+ Replay - Submit Your Clips
  • Newsletters
    • Quizzes
    • About Us
    • How to pitch to us
    • How we score
    • Newsarama
    • Retro Gamer
    • Total Film
Trending
  • Crimson Desert
  • Pokopia
  • Arc Raiders
  • The Boys S5
  • Starfield
  • Submit your clips. Win prizes
  1. Games
  2. MMO

"Maybe don't do this," says MMO player after 3 years of making potions the hard way for a challenge they admit was "a f***ing stupid goal to go for"

News
By Austin Wood last updated 21 December 2023

Old School RuneScape's Ultimate Ironmen are not to be trifled with

When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. Here’s how it works.

Old School RuneScape
(Image credit: Jagex)
  • Facebook
  • X
  • Pinterest
  • Flipboard
  • Email
Share this article
Join the conversation
Follow us
Add us as a preferred source on Google
Sign up to the GamesRadar+ Newsletter

Weekly digests, tales from the communities you love, and more


By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.

You are now subscribed

Your newsletter sign-up was successful


Want to add more newsletters?

GamesRadar+

Every Friday

GamesRadar+

Your weekly update on everything you could ever want to know about the games you already love, games we know you're going to love in the near future, and tales from the communities that surround them.

GTA 6 O'clock

Every Thursday

GTA 6 O'clock

Our special GTA 6 newsletter, with breaking news, insider info, and rumor analysis from the award-winning GTA 6 O'clock experts.

Knowledge

Every Friday

Knowledge

From the creators of Edge: A weekly videogame industry newsletter with analysis from expert writers, guidance from professionals, and insight into what's on the horizon.

The Setup

Every Thursday

The Setup

Hardware nerds unite, sign up to our free tech newsletter for a weekly digest of the hottest new tech, the latest gadgets on the test bench, and much more.

Switch 2 Spotlight

Every Wednesday

Switch 2 Spotlight

Sign up to our new Switch 2 newsletter, where we bring you the latest talking points on Nintendo's new console each week, bring you up to date on the news, and recommend what games to play.

The Watchlist

Every Saturday

The Watchlist

Subscribe for a weekly digest of the movie and TV news that matters, direct to your inbox. From first-look trailers, interviews, reviews and explainers, we've got you covered.

SFX

Once a month

SFX

Get sneak previews, exclusive competitions and details of special events each month!


Join the club

Get full access to premium articles, exclusive features and a growing list of member rewards.


An account already exists for this email address, please log in.
Subscribe to our newsletter

Old School RuneScape is unique among MMOs for too many reasons to list here, but a big one is its variety of account types. You have normal, unrestricted accounts and then multiple versions of Ironmen with special limitations. Ironmen can't trade items at all, Group Ironmen trade items only with their teammates, and Hardcore Ironmen lose their status after a single death. For my money, the most difficult account type would be an Ultimate Ironman since they can't trade or bank items, meaning they carry all their valuables at all times (outside of a few workarounds) in the same 28 inventory slots. 

Unsatisfied with what's already regarded as a brutal game mode, OSRS player Schnoblin decided to max out arguably the most tedious skill in the game in possibly the worst way imaginable for an Ultimate Ironman. It took them three years, and now that they've done it, their advice is withering: "Maybe don't do this." 

As Schnoblin explained in a Reddit post, their goal was simple: get an untrimmed Herblore cape on an Ultimate Ironman. In other words, get 99 Herblore before getting 99 in any other skill. This does indeed sound simple, but moving two tons of sand using only your eyelashes is technically simple.  

Article continues below

Herblore is a difficult skill to train even on a normal Ironman account since it requires mountains of herbs and obscure potion ingredients which can be tough to gather. However, it's known as a special Hell for Ultimate Ironmen since they have such limited storage space for all that stuff. Getting Herblore supplies while deliberately throttling gains in skills which would normally make mixing potions much more efficient is like going for a 500-pound squat and then adding another 10 plates to the bar. 

maybe don't do this: untrimmed Herblore cape on an Ultimate Ironman from r/2007scape

Schnoblin isn't the first Ultimate Ironman to pull this off – he even tips his hat to a fellow grinder, fittingly named UIM_Herblore – but their story is far and away the most detailed and modern breakdown of this obscene challenge that I've ever seen. Their write-up really puts the ardor of this three-year grind into perspective, and is positioned as a warning against anyone who would attempt what Schnoblin readily calls "a fucking stupid goal to go for." It was, after all, the result of them choosing "the absolute worst" untrimmed cape challenge that they could think of which also offered decent gameplay variety. 

In the "absolute novel" attached to their post, Schnoblin writes: "You do not have to read it, it's more for other psychopaths who might follow a similar path or draw some ideas from. Think of it as a journal entry, a recollection." 

The big question is right up front: do you regret it? "No. This grind is slow, but it's actually interesting," Schnoblin says. "This isn't a grind where you're locked in a room clicking a small object 500,000 times to move a bar slowly along. Herblore, especially on a UIM, is a very complicated series of interwoven systems. I learned a lot about the game trying to figure out the best ways to gather or process herbs." 

Sign up to the GamesRadar+ Newsletter

Weekly digests, tales from the communities you love, and more

By submitting your information you agree to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy and are aged 16 or over.

"It was actually kinda fun in a weird way," they add. "Would I recommend it? Not unless you're a bit of a masochist." If anything, Schnoblin says it was even more tedious than it sounds, with their estimated XP per hour coming in around 10,000 averaged for the whole grind. Bear in mind, you need 13 million XP to reach level 99, and that's just Herblore training. Thankfully, there's a way to preserve untrimmed skillcapes – prized for their rarity, as they're normally automatically trimmed once you get a second 99 – so at least their trophy will endure. 

The "interwoven systems" Schnoblin describes shine through in the workarounds and shortcuts used to make this type of Herblore training feasible, even if it is ungodly slow. For instance, they deliberately left a quest incomplete so they could make use of a unique processing method that made low-value herbs more effective, and this added up to "30-40% of all my XP since these herbs are so damn common." As pure Herblore XP, this method was also apparently key to preventing other skills from getting close to 99. 

Old School Runescape Smite collab

(Image credit: Jagex / Hi-Rez)

Elsewhere, Schnoblin estimates they killed anywhere from 150,000 to 300,000 Chaos Druids for their famously common herb drops. (They say the huge range is because their kill tracker broke, but as always it is quite worrying that OSRS players seemingly cannot distinguish such enormous gaps in time. It all runs together, folks.) Plenty of herbs also came from the Farming skill, which is exactly what you think it is. Farming herbs obviously requires seeds, and these were often sourced via the Thieving skill. Slayer, where you kill a set number of specific monsters, is another solid source of herbs and seeds as loot, so it's no surprise Schnoblin is 81 Slayer according to the OSRS high scores. 

I'm especially fascinated by the explanation of how they made use of each herb type. I'll spare you the RuneScape pharmacology lesson, as fascinating as it undeniably is, and just focus on the high notes. 

The "god tier herb" of the challenge was a leaf called Irit, which was especially valuable because the secondary ingredient for its potion is easy to get in bulk. I'm also intrigued by the method for processing Ranarr-infused prayer potions, which are extremely useful in combat since RuneScape prayers provide big stat bonuses and essential damage mitigation. Schnoblin elected not to farm the secondary ingredient for prayer potions and instead gather it from in-game fields, thus freeing up their player-owned farming lots for other needs. 

"What now?" asks one staggered onlooker. "We finally play the game," Schnoblin replies. In seriousness, they explained in another reply that they already have their eyes on another long-term goal: "Untrimmed Herblore cape and Infernal Cape in the same inventory, and eventually a Max Infernal and untrimmed Herblore cape. Thinking about the latter sort of mindbreaks me, but that's the fun part about silly long term goals." 

For reference, the Infernal cape is the best-in-slot reward for the hours-long, hard-as-nails Inferno combat gauntlet that most players can't complete even with perfect gear on an unrestricted account. To get a Max Infernal cape, you need to combine the Infernal cape with the coveted Max cape obtained from getting 99 in all skills. Again, this is not unprecedented; lots of Ultimate Ironmen are maxed, though almost none of them have untrimmed Herblore capes. By my calculations, Schnoblin ought to be able to clear this goal sometime before the sun burns out. At least they have a lot of potions ready to go. 

Last month, thousands of OSRS players started the ultimate war in the MMO's game-warping Leagues mode: infinite money vs. infinite inventory space. 

Austin Wood
Austin Wood
Social Links Navigation
Senior writer

Austin has been a game journalist for 12 years, having freelanced for the likes of PC Gamer, Eurogamer, IGN, Sports Illustrated, and more while finishing his journalism degree. He's been with GamesRadar+ since 2019. They've yet to realize his position is a cover for his career-spanning Destiny column, and he's kept the ruse going with a lot of news and the occasional feature, all while playing as many roguelikes as possible.

Latest in MMO
World of Warcraft
World of Warcraft WoW lead asks how players would feel about playing on controller, fans fear it'll "get worse" on PC
 
 
The Elder Scrolls Online naval combat
The Elder Scrolls Elder Scrolls Online will feel like a new MMO, with naval combat, solo dungeons, and a return to Skyrim underway
 
 
World of Warcraft: Midnight
World of Warcraft Blizzard is finally giving World of Warcraft fans an official Pride event in a new Midnight update
 
 
Key art for World of Warcraft: Midnight showing Lor'themar Theron grimacing in golden armor with a huge golden sword ready to fight back the darkness
World of Warcraft World of Warcraft guild known for raid-busting exploits disqualified from new Midnight Mythic race by Blizzard
 
 
Dune: Awakening - two soldiers looking at the mouth of a sandworm during the new game.
Survival Games Dune: Awakening update adds new overland location, Landsraad missions, bug fixes, and more
 
 
FrogLok stands on dock facing character menacingly
MMO Games EverQuest is the next MMO to get the "classic" treatment after WoW Classic and Old School RuneScape, but there's a twist
 
 
Latest in News
The player character in Pokemon Legends: Z-A sits next to an Alpha Totodile in front of a cafe
Pokemon Pokemon Home compatibility finally lets you offload your shiny-stuffed Pokemon Legends: Z-A boxes
 
 
Lethal Company screenshot showing a man in an orange hazmat suit atop a red car, its headlights shining bright
Horror Games After nearly 1 year, viral Steam hit Lethal Company is back with another big update boasting 3 new creatures and more
 
 
The Boys season 4
Superhero Shows It sure sounds like Homelander will kill A-Train in the final season of The Boys
 
 
Arc Raiders Flashpoint
Third Person Shooters Arc Raiders's new map condition is "hell on Earth" and it's giving players "flashbacks" of Helldivers 2
 
 
Macduff on his horse looking at the landscape of Pywel in Crimson Desert.
RPGs Crimson Desert modder restores an abandoned food system: "Everything this mod uses already exists in the game files"
 
 
Witch Hat Atelier
Anime Shows Witch Hat Atelier release schedule: what time is episode 1 on Crunchyroll?
 
 
LATEST ARTICLES
  1. The player character in Pokemon Legends: Z-A sits next to an Alpha Totodile in front of a cafe
    1
    Over 5 months since Pokemon Legends: Z-A's release, Home compatibility finally lets you offload your shiny-stuffed boxes ahead of Pokemon Champions
  2. 2
    After nearly 1 year, viral Steam horror hit Lethal Company is back with another big update boasting 3 new creatures that are sure to leave my pals and me screaming
  3. 3
    The Super Mario Galaxy Switch game collection just hit a record low at the best possible time
  4. 4
    Crimson Desert modder restores a full-fat food system left on the cutting room floor: "Everything this mod uses already exists in the game files"
  5. 5
    When is DBD 2v8 mode back?

GamesRadar+ is part of Future US Inc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. Visit our corporate site.

Add as a preferred source on Google Add as a preferred source on Google
  • Terms and conditions
  • Contact Future's experts
  • Privacy policy
  • Cookies policy
  • Accessibility statement
  • Careers
  • About us
  • Advertise with us
  • Review guidelines
  • Write for us
  • Accessibility Statement

© Future US, Inc. Full 7th Floor, 130 West 42nd Street, New York, NY 10036.

Please login or signup to comment

Please wait...