Great Debate


  • darksongbird - September 6, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    I'm sure HD Remakes are great, but I'm so used to having backwards compatibility with Nintendo consoles and handhelds that it wouldn't make much sense if they all of a sudden decided that they weren't going to keep that option available. I don't play my Wii at all anymore. But in case I wanted to (or the few GameCube games I still kept from 2(?) gens ago, I would be able to. And I like knowing that. *off to read the actual article*
  • aireen-jah - November 26, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    the only reason Sony stopped producing hardware based ps2 emulated ps3's is because the emotion engine CPU for ps2 emulation was too expensive to produce and make profit off so they tried partial software based emulation on the next models and that had worser compatibility than the hardware based version so they scraped the idea after 2 years of development. and discontinued backwards compatibility, as for Microsoft's 360 team had the intention of including B.C but saw more earnings in releasing the games for the last Gen with up-scaled resolution and tweaked graphics ad shading variables much like Sony does now basically to produce a better display of graphics on hdtv devices. . personally i've never bought an Hd remake version because i can emulate my ps1 and ps2 games on my pc better than any ps3 emulation . note that with written permission from Sony Entertainment America Corporation prior to making my own emulation program with permitted use of my own bios number from one of my old ps2's i had purchased. To legally play and create my own games with Linux PlayStation 2 build 2001 which i also have written consent to use and to modify existing software in the PlayStation 2. under conditions that i request prior written consent to further develop existing software for public .
  • dondiablo29 - September 6, 2012 6:36 a.m.

    To be honest, I think the two need to co-exist, I mean, backwards compatibility needs to be there on every platform really and truly, but that doesn't mean I dislike HD remakes, I think they're great,not only do the older games look better this way, trophies do give you more incentive to try certain things in games
  • listerofsmeg42 - September 5, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    I don't feel you can pick one or the other I think that both are needed. Backwards compatibility helps new consoles get off the ground in the beginning and HD remakes help a new audience experience the games without being put off by old tech and vet gamers get new content like achievements or never released levels. You can't pick one both are essential.
  • Nikku7 - September 4, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    I like backwards compatibility, but the I strongly support the HD remakes so that overlooked games have another chance to get their due. Plus, not all of us have always owned the previous systems and want a chance to try old games we missed.
  • moothead2 - September 4, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    While backwards compatibility is nice to have, pretty much every console you'd want can be had for a small sum these days making it a rather pointless and expensive addition (especially in the PS3s case). Many Ps2 games look dire on a HDTV and having to make space for the Goliath that is a CRT TV is something I don't want to do when a stunning (compared to the ps2 on a HDTV) HD remake is available.
  • jackthemenace - September 1, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    When buying a PS3, I deliberately decided to get the oldest, most awkward model of PS3 I could, JUST so I could have backwards compatibility. HD remakes are all well and good- the addition of achievements, better graphics, being able to get rare games, that stuff's GREAT. But getting a few games at HD level should NOT come at the price of not being able to play all the others. When buying both my 360 AND my PS3, I had to trade in their predecessors in order to afford them (bear in mind, this was a few years back now), and the ability to play the games I already had while I was waiting till I could afford to buy more games for THAT system was somewhat of a necessity. If the next generations of consoles comes out WITHOUT backwards compatibility to let me play the 360/PS3 games I've already got while I can't afford 730/PS4 games, I'll be sitting it out for a good while.
  • tehtimeisnow - August 31, 2012 8:45 p.m.

    all sony dose is rip u off with stuped hd remakes seruiosely just get a xobx cuz there loyal to there customars and they make new origanal games that isnt rehashed or remaked or anything like that
  • FreezeRay - August 31, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    Backwards Compatibility all the way. it seems like the only reason to get an HD remake is for Achievements or graphics. if you are getting an additional copy of a game for the achievements alone then fine but you are missing the point. just get a new game. I can't get behind a concept like HD remakes since the whole point is to take an already finished product, slap a coat of paint on it, and re-sell it to the same market as the first one, most of which own the original copy. Seems like a cheap money grab to me.
  • darksongbird - September 6, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    That makes a lot of sense, FreezeRay. I'm glad you said it. :)
  • Zippercdrr - August 31, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    I do want backwards compatibility, but if it means $500 at launch (I'm looking at you PS3) then it may not be worth it to me. I'm siding more with Cooper. I do like the originals, but I have released my old CRT screen into the wild, so it can run free and hunt down old '08s infomercials. Yes, I can connect my old consoles to the TV, but I grew up when you could get an NES new. Not everyone did, and getting a NES is getting trickier out side of emulation boxes or emulators. Some games may never get an HD remake, like my Friend Earthbound here. Good luck getting that cart. Its all left to the Emulator now. FF7 is to complext for an HD remake to make financial success when the jagged polligons still sell. Other games are getting HD remakes though. Okami was never a large release, but word of mouth, along constant pushing by the onramp to the Internet, have brought it to peoples attention. These games do deserve HD remakes. It means more of us can enjoy it. In the end, we all win on that
  • SentientSquidMachine - August 31, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    I've only bought the God of War HD Collection, to replay before I bought 3, but I'm in the both camp. I appreciate the trophies and added modes, and what not, but all HD releases are not equal, and with my PS2 library, there are plenty of games that I think still look decent, so if there are no major improvements, I do not want to keep buying the same game, and young kids who did not grow up with a PSOne, or were too young to appreciate the PS2, may find the prices of...well any game for those systems, outrageous. So the HD collections allow for a new generation to appreciate great games, the legal way.
  • BigCj34 - August 31, 2012 7:42 a.m.

    How about the best of both, and have a backwards compatibility feature that re-renders games into a HD resolution? Console emulators on the PC do that, PCSX2 is a notable example for the PlayStation 2, and a lot of games rival their HD remakes. All you need is a good computer to run them. If companies are hell bent on making money, then they could always charge for the BC feature.
  • SentientSquidMachine - August 31, 2012 7:57 a.m.

    sssshhhh. We Don't speak about those....but you are right. I bought FFVII twice, and IX twice, so I figured the next one was on the house.
  • thorvath - August 31, 2012 6:50 a.m.

    I'm in the "both" camp. When an HD remake is done right... improves the original game in some degree whether that be prettying it up like God of War or throwing in extras like the Subsistence version of MGS3 with the old MSX Metal Gears then that's a value that's added. When an HD remake takes away from the original like the weird sound issues in Prince of Persia then it's not worth it. That being said I have a backwards compatible PS3. I just used it to play Beyond Good & Evil and it still looks pretty good. So does Devil May Cry 3, Kingdom Hearts, and a bunch of other classics. The best part is that you can adjust the resolution with the PS3 so they aren't stretched and blurred to hell. I hooked up the old PS2 on the same TV and suddenly you have to fiddle with a dozen picture settings to get even close to the same effect. I wouldn't want to lose that option especially for games where the HD remake is subpar as reviewers have implied for DMC. One of the arguments that stuck with me was the idea of straight re-releases. If there's going to be a re-release wouldn't you want something better than the original? The Virtual Console $10 for a port of Ocarina of Time (minus my precious rumble pak)isn't nearly as good a value as it seemed 5 years ago.
  • thorvath - August 31, 2012 6:59 a.m.

    Also on the straight port re-release taking away dev time from new games.. I'm pretty sure these HD remakes have separate teams. The God of War Collection didn't cause God of War 3 to be delayed. As I understand it a company called Bluepoint is pretty much solely in the remake business and is behind the most well-received ones like God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, and Metal Gear. Sprucing up an old game and producing a brand new title probably doesn't require the same skill set.
  • ericthesmith - August 31, 2012 6:43 a.m.

    I own two of the examples given for hard-to-find last-gen games (MvC2 and Okami) and I love them in their original form. That's why I play them on Dreamcast and PS2 respectively. I have to agree with Coop's argument that if you want to play an older game, then do it on that console. I also have to mention that HD remakes are great for outdated graphics and controls. The remakes of Shadow of the Colossus and Ocarina of Time (which I've found to be essentially unplayable today in its original format) are great examples of this. Anyway, good debate. I went into it with my own thoughts on the matter but I found myself swaying to the other opinion a little more than I expected.
  • Mooshon - August 31, 2012 2:32 a.m.

    Every now and again I get that pang to play an old game. Invariably though it looks like ass on my tv and I lose heart after an hour. Seems that I need HD remakes as they look as good as my memory of them. I think what Sony has done with the Vita is a great solution though; give you a free method to transfer your game catalogue to the new platform. Nostalgia problem sorted, without getting ripped off or going in the loft. The next gen probably holds monthly subscriptions to old catalogues rather than back compatibility. As long as the price point was low enough I'd be more than happy with that.
  • Hobogonigal - August 31, 2012 12:50 a.m.

    Sorry Cooper but I'm with backwards compatibility. When I buy a new console the older console typically just gets moved to the attic so if I want to replay an old game there's a lot of hassle. I have to find it amongst all the boxes up there, get it down, dust it off and then hope that it works. With backwards compatibility I can just use the console that's already set up. Also, I would be pretty infuriated if I had bought a game for one console and then had to pay again for the privilege to play it on the next console. Its sad though that a lot of people absolutely need achievements/trophies to justify them playing a game. It should be played for the experience and fun, not a number that will give you back absolutely nothing. I mean if you got a prize every so many achievement points I could understand why people would become so attached but there is literally no reward or payback for gaining these points, especially when most challenges aren't even that fun.

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