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  • shawksta - November 19, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    Having a head start can be both good and bad, but hey the PS3 (I think) had a head start, and look at it now, especially when Wii was the LAST to release between the Big 3. In my opinion I don't care if it wins, main point is that third party are on board and that the systems true capabilities arnt only known to Nintendo themselves. Coming games looking bright, especially with Nintendo saving Bayonetta, and Reggie wanting GTA V to come to Wii U, the strive is there.
  • D0CCON - November 19, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    The 360 had a one year head start and then the Wii came out one week after the PS3 (so while the Wii was technically last, it was only last by 8 days, which isn't all that much).
  • garnsr - November 19, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    I can't imagine core gamers really flocking to Wii U instead of a new XBox or PS. It still just doesn't seem like a primary system for real gamers to me, it'll still be one to hop on a time or two a year when there's something interesting from Nintendo. This is the first time that a new system is launching with almost the same power as the last (or current) generation, so it's hard to really compare with the past and really define how a generation should be defined. We've had systems that didn't do so well, from Sega mostly, but they were about the same power as the upcoming Sony machines. The Gamecube didn't come out that much later than the PS2, and it was a bit more powerful, after a few years, but releasing a system that's only as powerful as 7 year old machines is a new situation.
  • Salnax - November 19, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    I think you're underestimating the Wii U. So far, we know that its RAM is 2 gigs, compared to the 360's 512 Megs and the PS3's 256. So, that makes it 4 to 8 times as powerful as its predecessors in at least one respect. In 1999, the Dreamcast was released with 16 MB of RAM, compared to 4 MB for the N64. That's only 4 times as much. Even if you focus on the PS2's RAM instead, that's 32 MB, or 8 times as much. So from what we know, the PS360 ---> Wii U jump could be about as big as the leap from the N64 to the PS2. Sure, there aren't many graphical marvels on the Wii U yet. But that's because Nintendo hasn't had practice making HD games yet and 3rd party games are held back by the PS360. There are once again precedents; compare the N64 and Dreamcast versions of a racing game below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8NbnZFlKvs The Dreamcast version barely looks any different, but nobody would argue that it was on the same level as the N64. It was just the games that were available. Trust me, in a year or two, we'll see Wii U games that blow away all but the best-looking PS3/360 games. Those just aren't the sorts of games every console launches with.
  • MolokoVeck - November 20, 2012 12:07 p.m.

    I fail to see how Nintendo gamers are not "real gamers". This is commonly stated by the same people that argue the Wii U is not next-gen and that Wii sales were a fluke. Many of the greatest games of all time are Nintendo games. I would have to say that anyone who has never played Mario Bros., Legend of Zelda, Metroid, and several other Nintendo games is not a real gamer (and this can be said about many young gamers today who have never played these games but think they are God's gift to gaming because they are good at online shooters). I am mainly a Nintendo fan but I have owned many systems including Atari, Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Game Boy, Genesis, 3DO, PS1, N64, PS2, GameCube, and currently Wii and PS3. Yes, I owned a 3DO... it was a gift... I'm not proud of it. Anyway, I consider myself a "true gamer" and there are plenty of true, core gamers who will buy the Wii U to play the next Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games, among others, because they will undoubtedly be awesome...
  • Sjoeki - November 19, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    As long as they keep making Mario and Zelda games nintendo will be just fine. Don't really notice people talking about it yet though, offcourse you'll here gamers talking about it but I don't really hear anything from the "casual" gamer. It could be something like the 3DS, where a lot of people just didn't understand that it was a new system instead of just a new model of the DS.
  • StrongPillow - November 19, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    The only reason it 'won' this current generation is because it was a fraction of the cost of the other systems at launch AND it was the first pure gimmick system. Just because it sold more does not mean it won anything. If you want to grade it on what it truly did then call it the worlds most innovative door stop or book end. Because for the majority of owners thats all it was. It was a Fisherprice toy for kids. NOW they are trying to get back the people they left behind after saturating the 'casual' market. Not sure it will have much left once the other consoles break in the real new generation of systems. This is not a next generation system it's just a new Wii competing with 6 year olds systems. Once the next gen comes they, yet again, will be stuck way in the past fighting in the same market. This could be the total opposite of them taking it all. I also think the gamepad functionality will ruin it for them and 3rd party devs relations. No one wants to have to design a game that requires a lot of extra work just for one system.
  • filipe-alves - November 19, 2012 8:16 p.m.

    Kudos to you sir. You said it all. Wii was a toy that sometimes had good games on it.
  • jameseverett - November 19, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    Erm, but isn't the current consensus that the Wii U is Nintendo finally entering this generation, not the next one? It's practically the same specs as the 360 and PS3, certainly not better enough to justify the 'next gen' tag.
  • KnowYourPokemon - November 19, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    It's currently the only console that can actually play in 1080p, other consoles only play a distorted 720p. In comparison to the 360/PS3 it is more powerful, and even then, like the console suggests, the power of a console doesn't decide whether it's qualified for a gen or not. I don't hear anyone say that PS2 wasn't a current gen console at the time even though it was the weakest of its gen with the gamecube actually being the strongest, the same logic applies here. In the end this is Nintendo's entry to next gen, the power of other consoles to enter this gen is irrelevant.
  • KnowYourPokemon - November 19, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    like the article suggests*
  • ultimatepunchrod - November 19, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    I do believe the Xbox was the most powerful last gen.
  • KnowYourPokemon - November 19, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    Yes, my mistake.
  • FoxdenRacing - November 19, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Good info; here's some more. Most powerful tends to come home third or worse, while first out of the gate tends to come home no higher than second. Genesis launched first, Neo-Geo was most powerful, SNES won. Saturn launched first, N64 was most powerful, PS1 won. Dreamcast launched first, Xbox was most powerful, PS2 won. X360 launched first, PS3 was most powerful, Wii won. The last console to launch first and carry its generation was the NES...Nintendo's making a pretty big gamble here.
  • wheresmymonkey - November 20, 2012 1:49 a.m.

    Depends how you look at it. In every single gen the least powerful console has been the winner. The WiiU will no doubt be the least grphically cpable console of its gen. However history shows that it doesn't matter.
  • DBNS - November 20, 2012 3:38 a.m.

    I think you're overstating your opinion a bit based on those "patterns" you've found. Though it was interesting. What happened in past console bouts has little relevance on what is happening--or what will happen--in the current gen. It's a whole different game. Neo-Geo was never a contender in the SNES vs Genesis days; way too expensive & sold horribly. Saturn & Dreamcast were almost non-entities as well, and Nintendo won the last console gen with weaker specs, (& are currently dominating the portable market, as they always have) so how are they taking a pretty big gamble here? By having the balls to go first?

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