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  • rxb - June 20, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    If I was cynical Brit I would say how boring does a sport have to be that it needs girls in underwear to make it worth watching. I can imagine the game will be very poor.
  • Washu - June 20, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    LFL is a true sport. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy7VvHaHMc0 These women know football. It isn't seen as the fastest growing sport solely based on what these women wear. People gotta wake up, there is a sport within LFL. Look beyond the pretty face and educate yourselves. Now if the videogame will deliver the sport in a real or shallow manner, that's up to Yuke's. If they know better they will design it as a serious sport with solid gameplay. LFL takes itself seriously, the players take the sport seriously, most of the fans wouldn't watch it if it was all looks and no high level football. Yukes should make their LFL game with a mature and hardcore attitude. The sexy side of it is just the icing on the cake.
  • MasterBhater - June 20, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    It IS seen as the fastest growing sport because of what the women wear, don't kid yourself. A game based on this sport would be like Madden with less clothing (Sounds a lot like BMX XXX doesn't it?). Yes, there might be a "hardcore" attitude, but I'm pretty goddamn sure attendance rates would drop if the sport was called "Women's Football". The entire idea this so-called "sport" bases itself upon is that "Well, nobody wants to watch women play sports, so lets just take our clothes off. Then middle-aged, desperate men will be flocking to the stadium in hopes of witnessing a wardrobe malfunction." The amount of sexism shown in this sport is staggering. What happens when a woman wants to join a team but she isn't attractive enough in a thong? Judging by the above pictures it seems like the criteria for the athletes puts "Must be sexy" first and "must be good at football" second.
  • mockraven - June 20, 2012 9:45 a.m.

    I can't help but to agree. These women aren't wearing even HALF the protective equipment normal football players do. They might be playing real football but with added, unnecessary risk for the sake of showing off some skin. It's hard to respect a woman willing to give up safety and objectify herself in order to play a "real sport" or in a "real league." For instance, there's the WFA (Women's Football Alliance) that equips women in full protective gear rather than bikinis/"lingerie." Maybe some aren't super-model material but they can play the sport seriously without objectifying themselves or risking unnecessary injuries.
  • suade907 - June 20, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    It is definitely a real sport, these women are rock solid and hit like Mack trucks. The outfit is just a perk for all of us men. I'm sure they were just to get people like me to watch in the beginning but these girls are hardcore. There are fights like crazy in this sport. I love it.
  • ParagonT - June 20, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    I'll call it a sport, but it looks pathetic. In the sense that they need to sacrifice protective wear in order to appease the crowd. Sad stuff.
  • BladedFalcon - June 20, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    This, pretty much this. And I am sorry, but even if these women DO have skills and know their game, it' honestly rather hard to take the sport seriously when the reason they're dressed like that is just to grab attention. It's objectifying for those women, and there is no justification around that.
  • usmovers_02 - June 20, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    If you got it, flaunt it. These women do this by choice. They're not being forced to. There are OTHER female football leagues they could join if the wardrobe was an issue. They've got it... they don't mind showing it off. Heck, they probably ENJOY showing it off. And guess what? Being a reasonable guy, it doesn't have any negative or positive effect on the way I look at women. I still respect women just as much as I did before.
  • BladedFalcon - June 20, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    "If you got it, flaunt it" Right, regardless of how i actually feel about that saying in general, that doesn't fit here. It fits in a fashion contest or program, or something else in which clearly, the intent is to show off the physical appeal of the participants. This doesn't apply here, why? because it's a sport, in practical terms, the goal of a sport has never been of who looks better or has the better body: It is to win. And in the specifically case of American Football, one of such factors is wearing adequate protective gear to help avoid lessons that can cause a player to stop playing to the detriment of the team. Thus, playing in scantily clad clothes is detrimental to the goal of the game. And let's be real here, the main reason why they play like that it's not because "they feel like it" it's because it's clearly mean to appeal and grab the attention of males. So yeah, they might not be "forced" to do it. But there's a very obvious, objectifying reason was to why they play like that. And it's detrimental to the women's own skills because it's hard to take seriously someone who would rather show some skin in order to get ratings, instead of properly protecting herself.
  • usmovers_02 - June 20, 2012 3:05 p.m.

    The rules of the sport are not the same as in the NFL. I can't say I'm an expert in LFL hit rules, but I'm sure there are some in place to add extra protection to the women, such as the rule that only one linebacker can blitz. Also, I don't see an issue with combining sex appeal with a sport. It's still a sport and the rules could be applied to ANYBODY playing the game. If a group of guys wanted to play football with LFL rules, they could. Also, what about backyard football? I play full contact football with my friends and roomates all the time. We don't use ANY protective gear. We know what the risk is. And we're certainly not the only ones who play backyard with no protective gear. I guess in the end the way you view the league and the women is a personal thing. I don't think less of the women at all. I wouldn't think more or less of them if they wore full protective gear and a uniform. Heck, I was a big fan of my local female football team while they were still around and they wore a full uniform. That and the linemen were quite a bit heftier than anything in the LFL. Still loved watching them play. But MAN were they bad. Not just my team but all the teams they played. The LFL girls are top notch athletes.
  • BladedFalcon - June 20, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    "The rules of the sport are not the same as in the NFL. I can't say I'm an expert in LFL hit rules, but I'm sure there are some in place to add extra protection to the women, such as the rule that only one linebacker can blitz." ...That you have the change the rules of the sport to accommodate them playing half-naked only proves how incorrect it is. last time i checked, Athletes had to mold themselves to the sport and it's rules in order to succeed, not the other way around. It also negates any chance of comparing the sport as equal as the traditional male NFL one. because since the rules are different, the sport and the standards by which you measure them are different. "Also, I don't see an issue with combining sex appeal with a sport. It's still a sport and the rules could be applied to ANYBODY playing the game. If a group of guys wanted to play football with LFL rules, they could." ...This is a load of horsecrap and you know it. There's no practical reason for removing clothing or protective gear in a sport, which is why you don't see it happening in any other professional sport. And men don't do it because they have no reason to, and if they do it, it doesn't attract more viewers or horny females. These women do it to OBVIOUSLY appeal to men, that's the main reason, and you really can't justify another good, rational one. "Also, what about backyard football? I play full contact football with my friends and roomates all the time. We don't use ANY protective gear. We know what the risk is. And we're certainly not the only ones who play backyard with no protective gear." Except that's not a professional, legally sanctioned and televised sport. far as I know there's not an instituted league of professional backyard football. As such, it's really up to the people playing, and only them alone, to decide how to play and with which rules. You don't make a profit out of it, people don't watch you and judge you on television for it. As much as you try to explain or justify it, there's no escaping the one simple truth: This sport exists only because Men pay more attention to sexy, half naked women rather than women dressed as equally as them. And because they pay attention, this means it gets more ratings and more money. Doesn't really matter if the women playing are good or not, most people will view it to watch breasts jiggle and sweaty women grabbing each other. Which is why it is objectifying and demeaning.
  • mockraven - June 20, 2012 11:40 p.m.

    You completely hit the nail on the head, BladedFalcon, and expanded on my reply. No matter how much this guy stands up for how great LFL is and how "serious" a sport it is this is still essentially objectifying women with the cover of a sport, regardless of their aptitude no matter how impressive. And if sexy, exposed bodies weren't the sole reason for the LFL's attention (which the LFL's creator basically admits to), why do we hear almost nothing about the WFA even though they started around the same time? I was talking to my friend about this and he actually agreed with me that it was a bad combo. Beautiful people can be respected as models, even if they're scantly clad as their profession is to hone their bodies into visually appealing forms. Professional sports-persons, on the other hand hone their bodies into functional forms in order to better play the sport and if the sport is dangerous (and there's a set standard of protection in that sport, which there *is* in football) they wear the appropriate attire -- for instance, sprinters and cyclists have MASSIVE muscles in their legs, regardless of man vs woman, and they wear appropriate clothing to achieve the best speed and support for their moving bits. Both groups can be "sexy" in their own right, but these women probably have to keep their "weight" down to keep those pretty feminine abs and slender limbs as opposed to beefing up in order to better play the game. This "weight" limit isn't about keeping a woman from getting "fat" so much as to keep her "sexy" in the model sense. This is part of the objectification of women. They can't *look* like actual football players -- although women don't get as bulky as men, they can get a heavier muscle tone than what is accepted as "attractive." The clothing is also part of it. If they wore full protection gear, not only would the sport be safer for them, but most people would no longer be judging them on how shapely their boobs are or how thin and trimmed their waists are or how much they get groped while fighting for control of the ball, and instead focused on how well they perform. You put a WFA woman who's actually, trained and conditioned herself to be a linebacker against one from the LFL and the WFA linebacker would win hands down -- she'd have the muscle mass, thus strength, endurance, and "weight" behind it. The limitation of protective gear and "weight" also *limits* the players. Finally, in regards to usmovers_02's comment about women wanting to "flaunt it": "There's three things we look for in LFL athletes," Mortaza said. "First and foremost, you have to be beautiful. We have to be able to market you [...]" The full paragraph breaks down to priority of 1st, be sexy; 2nd, be sexy in underwear; and 3rd, be athletic. That makes it sound as though being good at football is only third most important in the selection process for the football team. http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-3445_162-6183312.html I can't help but to wonder when we'll get past the 1950's. Somewhere filed away safely I still have a clipping of a newspaper article my mom gave me where my grandma was featured as a female radio operator and the first sentence consisted of her name followed by her chest, waist, and hip measurements.
  • usmovers_02 - June 21, 2012 5:46 a.m.

    I also look forward to the day when we get past the 1950s and are no longer ashamed of the human body. Okay, here's the fact: I totally respect you guys for doing what you consider to be defending women. It seems pretty clear to me that pretty much every body whos posted here respsects women for more than just their bodies. I disagree with you guys, but that's that. And that's okay.
  • BladedFalcon - June 21, 2012 7:22 a.m.

    "I also look forward to the day when we get past the 1950s and are no longer ashamed of the human body." Respect of the the human body =/= Shame of the human body. I'm afraid you fail to grasp the object of our complain and critique here. I don't think anyone here is ashamed of the human body, or the female body for that matter. No one here is demanding that all women everywhere cover themselves or use Burkas. In my personal case, I'm attacking this LFL thing because it feels like an obvious and shameless pandering to horny males in order to get them to notice female football players. Basically, I'm just disappointed that this exists in the first place. If we truly lived in an equal society, I can assure you that women would never voluntarily play on lingerie like that, and nor would they need to. But yes, let's just agree to disagree. Specially since really, this discussion seems to have run it's course. I just wanted to clarify that the issue here has nothing to do with shame.
  • mockraven - June 21, 2012 8:20 a.m.

    Again, BladedFalcon, you're right on target with how I feel. I must also say that you, MasterBhater, and ParagonT have reinforced the respect I have for your opinions and comments. You guys obviously "get it" while usmovers_02 seems a bit oblivious. If I were to take my hobbies and turn them into a semi-professional activity, I want to be able to do it in proper uniform and safety gear with people's *first* impression of me as a serious competitor rather than as whether or not they'd "tap that." I don't like the thought of something like this setting a standard as to what women's sports should be like. It's a good thing most other sports for women are already firmly established. Anyway, like you, I'm pretty much done with this thread of conversation. It seems to just be going in a circle at this point.
  • ParagonT - June 20, 2012 6:44 p.m.

    With that in mind I'm sure your a strong advocate for males showing off their muscles and wearing skimpy clothing as well.
  • ParagonT - June 21, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    Yeah... because you know, it's a choice of not getting to be apart of the half naked team which pays very well or being apart of the team. Good choices. I'm sure they would be happy to just play football without being half naked, but it's because of the horny crowd that they have to. People need to start looking at it on the sport's and athlete's merits instead of the objectification being thrown into the mix. "They've got it... they don't mind showing it off. Heck, they probably ENJOY showing it off." Yeah.... listen to yourself, the typical male logic.... then to say this: "Being a reasonable guy, it doesn't have any negative or positive effect on the way I look at women."
  • usmovers_02 - June 20, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    Not all of the women in the LFL have pretty faces. They have nice bodies because... well... they're athletes. I'm sure they have a pretty strict weight limit, even more so than other sports. But lets not forget, the LFL isn't the ONLY sport with weight restrictions. What if a fat guy with insanely good reflexes and car knowledge wanted to be a racecar driver? He couldn't be. The extra weight slows the car down. As such you have to be in good shape. Most people in good shape look pretty sexy.
  • ParagonT - June 20, 2012 6:52 p.m.

    "Not all of the women in the LFL have pretty faces. They have nice bodies because... well... they're athletes. I'm sure they have a pretty strict weight limit, even more so than other sports. But lets not forget, the LFL isn't the ONLY sport with weight restrictions. " It's not really about the weight mate, it's about the demeaning clothing and attitude. Also I don't think the "fat" racecar driver comment is really a correlation to the argument neither, but to answer it, there is a difference between being "in shape" and losing weight. With that argument, they would not want drivers to have muscle mass.
  • mockraven - June 21, 2012 12:35 a.m.

    I mentioned this in my reply to BladedFalcon, but the weight limitation doesn't only limit "fatness." It also limits amount of muscle tone allowed. If they gained too much muscle tone in order to compete they'd lose a fair bit of their sex appeal. I've known a few women who worked in the police force (two in city level and one as a state penitentiary guard) who would have been considered "overweight" by LFL standards but were cut like rocks. They looked equally athletic and intimidating. :P Point of my statement: Weight requirement is another objectifying tool. When one-size-fits-all "unofficial weight limit" is 120-125 lb. which is a bit on the "underweight" side of things if you're an "athletic" woman of 5'6 or taller, which a fair number seem to be. (P.S. -- if this shows up twice, my first attempt at submitting timed out and a refresh didn't show any success at posting)
  • usmovers_02 - June 20, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    Being a straight guy, I'm a big fan of the female form. However, when it comes to the LFL, the female form takes a back seat to the fun and exciting football being played. I love following Philadelphia and can't WAIT for the St. Louis team to start in 2013 (the Stl Rams being my fav NFL team). I do hope they eventually make it to a 14 or 16 game scheduled. The 4 game regular season they have right now just isn't enough.
  • KOFprincess - June 20, 2012 7:28 a.m.

    This is not being made by some lazy untalented developers like Kung Fu Factory or some indie group. Yukes has made quality sports games like the successful WWE series and UFC series (which is far better than EA and Kung Fu Factory's attempts at MMA, and no one does wrestling better than Yukes.) Their attention to detail, depth, customization, and simulating realism in sports games they worked on is unparalleled in the industry. Of course football is something very new to them, but they are more likely to get this done right and professionally than most companies that would just make it for looks. And it could mark a new successful franchise that can improve with each sequel. The Sports Genre is extremely lacking in women playing sports like american football and soccer, a quality LFL game could encourage more women to play a football game. Yukes deserves respect and faith they will make a LFL game worth buying, playing and enjoying everytime.
  • ParagonT - June 20, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    Just to be snide, I don't think their track record matters if they're making games for what I believe is the worst genre in gaming. Sports. Then on top of that, making a game for another sport that objectify's women.
  • usmovers_02 - June 20, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    This is VERY good news. I'm not a wrestling fan so I'm not familiar with the developers. It's good to hear they're capable of making a deep game and aren't just cashing in on a new and popular license.
  • Hobogonigal - June 20, 2012 7:26 a.m.

    Yay! Really hot women bashing into each other to make themselves slightly not as hot... As long as they are always wearing helmets so I don't have to see cauliflower ears, this is all good by me!
  • SentientSquidMachine - June 20, 2012 7:09 a.m.

    How about some lingerie cricket? I want to support my nation but its so boring to watch. Come on world....make this happen. Oh and this game will be awful, and will attract the extreme beach volleyball creeper crowd.
  • Matt Cundy - June 20, 2012 7:15 a.m.

    I'd pay to watch lingerie darts (as long as a pie and pint were included in the price).
  • usmovers_02 - June 20, 2012 2 p.m.

    Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball is actually a pretty deep volleyball game. Quite a bit of fun to play.
  • KA87 - June 20, 2012 6:27 a.m.

    My only real concern is what the focus of the game will be. Will it about the football, promoting this league, and selling a quality game or will it just be an attempt to use women in very little clothing to sell a poorly made game to a bunch of naive teenagers and adults? I worry that this will just end up like that poorly made TNA wrestling game from a few years ago were they used they used a popular company and some big names to sell a truly bad game.
  • usmovers_02 - June 20, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    Apparently the developer working on the title has a solid history of deep and true to the sport wrestling games.

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