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  • Moondoggie1157 - June 20, 2012 10:20 p.m.

    Wow guys, take your balls back from your girlfriends' purses... Anyone of us men who find LFL to be unappealing are either, uninterested in women or fucking liars... Pick a side. I ain't got a problem with either, but don't bullshit. I know it sounds chivalrous to act like you are better than this, buuuuut you aren't and YOU know it... Get off your high horses. These women are fucking beautiful, showing off what they are lucky enough to have, AND BY GOD I WON'T LET THAT GO TO WASTE! I remember a time when people could admire eachother's sexuality just for the sake of admiring it, all this politically correct bologna has ruined that. All of a sudden sexuality is bad, now we should feel ashamed if we are turned on by anything. FUCK THAT, and fuck anyone who seriously wants to live in that world. Sexuality is great, women are beautiful, women in lingerie smashing into eachother are even more beautiful. Until these women are forced to compete by their pimps and daddys, I am going to give them the respect they so obviously want, and I will do this by supporting LFL and any other endeavors they aim for. If being able to play naked football with lingerie clad women isn't freedom, I don't want to know what is.
  • BladedFalcon - June 21, 2012 5:41 a.m.

    "Wow guys, take your balls back from your girlfriends' purses... Anyone of us men who find LFL to be unappealing are either, uninterested in women or fucking liars... Pick a side." Or maybe I happen to like women, but I like them to be treated as people, not as objects to lust after, much less publicly. You don't have to be a disrespectful tool in order to like women, you know? Oh who am I kidding, you obviously don't know. ". I know it sounds chivalrous to act like you are better than this, buuuuut you aren't and YOU know it... Get off your high horses." Yes! Let's lower ourselves down to your primal state! How dare we have standards! "I remember a time when people could admire each other's sexuality just for the sake of admiring it, all this politically correct bologna has ruined that." Yes, it was called the 50's, and it was also okay to beat up women if they so much spoke up, and it was also alright to treat them as second class citizens. Where have the good times gone indeed! "All of a sudden sexuality is bad, now we should feel ashamed if we are turned on by anything." Incorrect, sexuality has never been bad, and no rational people would recriminate you for being sexual in your own private environment. The problem here is that sexuality is shamelessly used as a marketing tool to get more views in something that practical-wise does not need it. "If being able to play naked football with lingerie clad women isn't freedom, I don't want to know what is. " Yes, because those women obviously would want to play like that just because they feel like it. It has nothing to do with the fact that it was probably the only way they could get media attention because thanks to witless horny men like you, they don't otherwise pay attention to women playing sports. In short, feel free to keep being a shameless dick, but stop trying to lower everyone else who has standards to your level.
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 7:32 a.m.

    Whatever helps you sleep at night, Falcon. I forgot that these women are forced into this lingerie football league, and are threatened into becoming mere objects of lust... I guess I missed that memo. I get that the sensitive, "new age" man image makes you feel like a better person than I am, but honestly dude, cut the shit. If you don't find this LFL appealing, at least on a physical level, you're lying... It's as easy as that. You can defend yourself all you want, and try to insult my character, but honestly, anyone with common sense knows that you're full of shit. No one, and I mean NO ONE with a sex drive could find this to be disgusting... except for women's rights activists, and the men who lie about their desires to gain credit with the women naive enough to believe them.
  • BladedFalcon - June 21, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    "I forgot that these women are forced into this lingerie football league, and are threatened into becoming mere objects of lust... I guess I missed that memo." No one has said these women are forced into lingerie. However, I am pretty sure they aren't wearing it because they feel like it, but more because it's the most surefire way that they will get noticed, and thus, will get paid better. "If you don't find this LFL appealing, at least on a physical level, you're lying... It's as easy as that." That it appeals to my sex drive as a male doesn't mean I approve of it or find it right. I have a brain that let's me think above the base rationale of animals. And I have standards that let me choose not to give in and ogle or fantasize about every scantily clad women out there. As such, I find such shameless sexual pandering such as this to be rather insulting, really. Because the whole rationale behind it is that I'll suddenly pay attention to something just because it has bare naked ladies in it. "No one, and I mean NO ONE with a sex drive could find this to be disgusting..." I never said it was disgusting, I said it was vulgar and objectifying, there's a difference. "You can defend yourself all you want, and try to insult my character, but honestly, anyone with common sense knows that you're full of shit" It amuses me to see how you fail to see the irony of you accusing me of insulting your character, when you did that same thing in your original post, and continue to do so now. If you start a post attacking and insulting people, it's stupid to expect replies being all "nice" to you. See, THAT is common sense, so I am not sure you're that familiar with the term to begin with.
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    "... I am pretty sure they aren't wearing it because they feel like it, but more because it's the most surefire way that they will get noticed, and thus, will get paid better...." I'm sure they had no idea that a Lingerie Football League would have anything to do with... Lingerie, who knew right? If the women athletes didn't want to play in the nude, they could evidently play another sport, right? Right. Jesus Christ, it's not like there is a lack of sports out there for women to play. I have morals, I have the ability to choose what I ogle at. Your argument here is on the same level as someone saying they go to a bikini car wash for the great car wash... Come on, man. Do you really think these women are choosing to play in lingerie because they DON'T want to be looked at? Is it possible that a person could have such high confidence that they have no problem putting themselves in the open like that? Fuck, I'm vain as hell and I love when women look at me, if I could play a sport nearly naked and be admired, I totally would. "I never said it was disgusting, I said it was vulgar and objectifying, there's a difference." Vulgar? Oh, that's a lot better than disgusting... Really, Falcon? Lastly, when it comes to my character, I know who I am quite well, and so do many others. And believe me, I am no where near the pig that I might seem to be, if that's how I came across, well shitty for the internet people, I guess. And I don't expect people to be nice, hence why I am not always nice. I see this as something very simple: A bunch of women who choose to play football in their underwear, and I see that as something that is very appealing. If that makes me a pig, than so be it, I see it as me being attracted to the female figure. Falcon, does this mean we aren't friends anymore?
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 9:17 a.m.

    If we are talking morals, it's a simple argument. These women are the ones choosing to do what they do based partly on their morals, I'm sure. Not the morals of the people running the league, nor the morals of men watching. So if anyone's morals should be called to attention, it should be the athletes themselves, until of course they become slaves, which likely won't happen.
  • ParagonT - June 21, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    Yes, because the reason there are even opportunities for women to demean themselves is because the morals of the people watching. Pretty simple. So it's a cause and effect.
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 10 a.m.

    So because there is pornography, there is sexual thought? There will always be sexual thought, and there will always be people who choose to use those thoughts to their advantage. It's all about choice to me, I think that's my biggest argument. If someone chooses to do something, and they are of right mind, then their morals should be taking into account, not those who are on the outside looking in. I'm pretty sure there wasn't a survey to see how many men wanted to see lingerie football, it was a half time show at first (I think)... It did well, and continued... It wasn't a supply and demand company until those women decided to take off their clothes and play football. It's all about choice. Until the women involved call it a dehumanizing, unethical pass time, I don't think anyone else has the right to call it a dehumanizing, unethical pass time. And believe me, as soon as those women call it bullshit, I will be right along side of them... Because THEY are the ones being effected, no one else. Therefore it is THEIR opinion that actually has merit, not mine, not yours.
  • ParagonT - June 21, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    I'll respond to this after my dental appointment and when I'm back onto the computer instead of my phone.
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    Hahah no shit? I have a dentist appointment as well haha
  • ParagonT - June 21, 2012 10 a.m.

    Your right, there's isn't a lack of sports, but there are a lack of positions or opportunities to play. Which is why saying they have a "choice" makes it hardly valid. So they had of choice of being on the team, or not. There is no such thing as, "Well, they should just go do a different sport!". Anyway, as much as people want to make this about the athletes, this is mainly about how people can support a sport that is demeaning. That's the real issue atop of the athletes reasoning. Prostitutes would rather not be prostitutes, but they do what they can to get ahead. Some people do jobs that they don't want to do, which also means they don't have to approve of what theyre doing. The only reason there is the lingerie aspect is because of those watching.
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    But, prostitutes are almost always women who cannot find any other means of work, at least most of the time. I highly doubt that when shit gets rough for a woman, the first and easiest thing to find at the job bank is "Professional Lingerie Football Player". Apples and oranges. I don't think that these women use LFL as a sole source of annual income, the choice they made is not as heavy as say, a prostitute, a waitress, a call center worker, or any other job one HAS to work at or they can't bring home bread.
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    As a side, I'm glad you aren't taking this as personally as some other people. It's just a difference in opinion... I'll admit I may have started a shit storm though, my bad haha
  • ParagonT - June 21, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    It's cool, but I think we bulked this article enough, plus I'm tired, and in pain. So I'm finished, nice debating with you.
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    You too, Paragon. It's always a good time haha
  • BladedFalcon - June 21, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    "I'm sure they had no idea that a Lingerie Football League would have anything to do with... Lingerie, who knew right? If the women athletes didn't want to play in the nude, they could evidently play another sport, right? Right. Jesus Christ, it's not like there is a lack of sports out there for women to play." Um... Did you miss the part where I said that the reason they did it it's because it would get better ratings and thus pay more? Sure, those women could play another sport, but it would probably be less noticed and thus pay less. You can see what I'm getting at here, right? And as for the Bikini car wash... Well really, same principle applies there. Of course people go to ogle at the women, and they do it because that's how they grab people and get their money. And just like the LFL, I think Bikini car washes are shameless and obvious ways to appeal to men to get their money. "Falcon, does this mean we aren't friends anymore?" Regardless of whether that comment was meant sarcastically or not. I don't exactly how this makes me like or dislike you as a person. I have no personal problem with you, and I've noticed we tend to agree on other things in the past. This time we happened to disagree, it happens XD And well, if you got a more irascible response and personal attacks before, I apologize, but I don't really appreciate being called a "hypocrite" for believing in my own standards. :P
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    In all honesty, I don't think they get payed all that much, could be wrong though. And since the rules in the LFL are different then say, the NFL, I don't think their passion to actually play football is as strong. Basically I don't think it's about the actual game to them... IF you catch my drift. It is their desire to be noticed, obviously... I mean no one who wanted to be left alone would get naked in front of 30,000 people, but the fact remains that it was their choice, and until they bash the industry I don't think anyone else has the right to. I can tell you this though, as soon as the women claim that the industry is unjust I will be right along agreeing with them, but until then it is their choice and their opinions that matter. And no, that wasn't meant to be sarcastic haha, we usually have a good time here at GR. We were bound to butt heads eventually :P I did kinda start it though, so yea, I'll take the asshole card this time...
  • BladedFalcon - June 21, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    Well, yeah, no idea how much they actually get paid, and I'm not about to investigate. But my point is that it's likely it's far more profitable than whatever other women get in more conventional, but less attention-grabbing sports. And well, *Shrugs* I guess you're right in that it's their choice, and they don't seem to be complaining. My main grudge about this is that even if they don't mind, it's still feels objectifying, and it's an obvious and shameless appeal to base male appeal. And i find those kinds of things objectionable. You obviously don't though, so I guess at this point we can just agree to disagree?
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    dont get me wrong, man. i dont like the fact this is what general entertainment has become... talk dumbing down of a nation. But it is what it is, you know? Until one of us becomes rich and powerful there is nothing we can do except ride the coaster. it sucks, but hey... could be worse... i guess
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    Now that I think about it... When I look at the women in the LFL I see beautiful lady athletes (no different than women's tennis really). When you look at the women in the LFL, you see objects of lust. Now, who's the asshole? How many women fawn over male athletes? Answer: Every woman I have ever spoken to. I'm starting to feel objectified myself... DOWN WITH FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL AND HOCKEY, I don't want my gender dressing in tight pads and loose shorts while getting all sweaty with other men if women are going to be fantasizing about us! The human body is disgusting, hide it away!
  • ParagonT - June 21, 2012 8:11 a.m.

    Quit trying to turn this around, your trying to make yourself seem angelical after stating this: "If you don't find this LFL appealing, at least on a physical level, you're lying..."
  • BladedFalcon - June 21, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    Not to mention that the whole "I see beautiful lady athletes" Is a load of bullcrap. By his own admission, he finds the whole thing as sexually appealing, so in truth, what he means to say is "I see hawt exposed ass and boobies with the excuse of watching a sport!"
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    Oh I know, beautiful women cannot be sexually appealing... Where are we? Utah?
  • ParagonT - June 21, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    Beautiful is a bit different than sexually appealing. A sunset is beautiful, not sexually appealing. Your trying to mix the two words into one meaning. Beautiful is appeasing to your emotions, senses, and intellect. Sexually appealing is for your instinctual ID. If beautiful Includes sexually appealing then are you sexually attracted to a waterfall?
  • Moondoggie1157 - June 21, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    true, but what I got from Falcon's comment was that I could not find a beautiful woman to be sexually appealing. Beauty in itself does appeal to the senses, more so than anything, sure. BUT in this debate, I think it was obvious that when speaking of women and beauty, it was physical beauty.. Hence the whole lingerie thing. And yes, a physically beautiful woman is sexual appealing to me...

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