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  • BladedFalcon - November 13, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    Hmmm... Yeah, definitely did a right thing by deciding to wait, that heating issue could be problematic, here's hoping it doesn't, for all the launch day adopter's sake. But yeah, next gen can wait for a little longer while it works out their new kinks ;)
  • gopikmin - November 13, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    The problem with advancing technology is that the heat control technology isn't keeping up the pace with the power and such contributing to heat output. That might be the limiter for more powerful up and coming technologies soon. Else, the stuff might lose the form factor. I guess that's why Nintendo spent so much on the Wii U's fan. I expect they'll be able to maintain the heat better in the next revision
  • BladedFalcon - November 13, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    Yep, which is why waiting pays off XD But yeah, you're right, heating is a problem that isn't being solved fast enough, and pioneers might want to look into solving that before pushing the hardware further, lest we have another red ring of death catastrophe in our hands.
  • Cyberninja - November 13, 2013 6:18 a.m.

    I'll pass for now, PS4 doesn't have nearly enough to make me want one for quite some time. Also at launch the PS3 was using Sixaxis not dualshock 3. Also for all the crap about the Wiiu not being "Nextgen" I call BS on that since it is Nintendo's entry and the Xbox was also considered Nextgen launching a year before everything, plus I have mine because it has distinct advantages of everything else, with the way they have PS4 set up new harddrive is something I will have to invest in with large instals being the norm, with Wiiu if I buy my stuff retail, space will be a non issue and then there is free online, the better library for th time being etc. But I will get one eventually.
  • BladedFalcon - November 13, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    "Also for all the crap about the Wiiu not being "Nextgen" I call BS on that since it is Nintendo's entry and the Xbox was also considered Nextgen launching a year before everything," The key difference being that you saw a considerable amount of difference graphically in even the first games for the 360, and six months after launch, Dead Rising also showed off a different style of gameplay and a massive amount of enemies at one time that had never been seen before. Things that felt truly next gen. Wii U on the other hand, even a year in, hasn't truly proven anything that makes it "next gen". Even it's main draw, which is the gamepad hasn't truly justified itself in game-play terms. (Yes, being able to play games on the screen is nice, but that's a commodity, not a game changer.) And not a single of the games released for it so far make you go "wow, this is something current gen consoles could NEVER do!" So no... you have no right to complain about this, defend the Wii U as much as you want, but it's nowhere near as comparable as the 360 was.
  • Cyberninja - November 13, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    The thing is can say that same thing about everything on the PS4 at this point in with literally half the line up being Current Gen games, there is nothing that screams we are next gen only prettier graphics at this point in time. Dead Rising was ported to the Wii after all and it still played similarly with reduced elements. Also even if the gamepad hasn't done anything revolutionary at this point in time, I know you are smart enough to see the potential in it. Really gaming has hit a plateau at this point where nothing is going to be great deal better like it was between 6th and 7th gen or any gen before that. the Wiiu 360 comparison works perfectly unless you aren't going to say the 360 is significantly weaker then the PS3. But seriously what are you going by that makes the PS4 so next gen because so far the next gen looks like more of the same to me
  • BladedFalcon - November 13, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    Pretty graphics is still a way more great deal of a difference that anything the Wii U has done so far. You can downplay that factor as much as you want, but it's still there, Killzone Shadowfall DOES look noticeably better than anything on current consoles so far, and that alone is more than any Wii U game has done for itself. ..Yes, Dead Rising was ported to the Wii, and it was utter garbage, back at you, you seem like a smart guy, so you should be above this level of vapid fanboyism. Go back and read the reviews, it basically lost the next gen element that made it stand out in the first: The amount of enemies on screen. What potential? you keep yammering on about the gamepad's potential, but you have never been able to give a solid, convincing example that would revolutionize the way the play games, and apparently, neither can developers. EVEN Nintendo's upcoming games don't seem to be doing anything of note with the gamepad. Besides, let's assume the gamepad eventually DOES do something important and game changing... It didn't do it in it's first year, even after their competitors arrived... So my point still stands: Up until now, the Wii U has done absolutely NOTHING that warrants it to be called "next gen".
  • BladedFalcon - November 13, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Pretty graphics is still a way more great deal of a difference that anything the Wii U has done so far. You can downplay that factor as much as you want, but it's still there, Killzone Shadowfall DOES look noticeably better than anything on current consoles so far, and that alone is more than any Wii U game has done for itself. ..Yes, Dead Rising was ported to the Wii, and it was utter garbage, back at you, you seem like a smart guy, so you should be above this level of vapid fanboyism. Go back and read the reviews, it basically lost the next gen element that made it stand out in the first place: The amount of enemies on screen. What potential? you keep yammering on about the gamepad's potential, but you have never been able to give a solid, convincing example that would revolutionize the way the play games, and apparently, neither can developers. EVEN Nintendo's upcoming games don't seem to be doing anything of note with the gamepad. Besides, let's assume the gamepad eventually DOES do something important and game changing... It didn't do it in it's first year, even after their competitors arrived... So my point still stands: Up until now, the Wii U has done absolutely NOTHING that warrants it to be called "next gen".
  • Arobadope - November 13, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    Sorry, but the graphical leap between 360 and the XB1 or ps3 to ps4 really isn't that huge, and there have been all indications of 0 difference between gameplay or anything beyond a bunch of flying particles everywhere. If we're at the point of defining next gen by throwing a bunch of particles on the screen (Killer Instinct I look at you -.-), then I think we need to change the common definition of next-gen. The same could actually be said again of the xb1 and ps4, there has been nothing they've shown their consoles can do that the current gen consoles can't. You might point to sharing, streaming, and some of the camera features, but those aren't actually anything new, all Sony and MS did was take what people can already do through other means and just put it in one box to make it convenient, but you can stream and share content just fine with the current gen consoles too. Personally, I'd like to do away with the whole Next-Gen moniker now that the consoles are basically out, WiiU/PS4/XB1 are current gen, Wii/360/PS3 are last gen, simple as that. Once the PS5, XB2 (lol), and Nintendo w/e (I've given up trying to name their consoles), I am interested to see how people will define "next-gen" then because the definition by graphics I feel like has become obsolete.
  • BladedFalcon - November 13, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    I agree completely that the jump from the new consoles to the current ones isn't that huge, but you can't deny to me that there IS a difference, sure, it may be smaller, but it's there. And yes, a lot of the stuff the new consoles are doing are more improvements than "New" stuff, but they are still improvements. Which is why, again, you can't come to me and say, "meh well the Wii U is on the same level since the others aren't THAT advanced" because, I'm sorry, but they ARE. And that's just the way it is. the Wii U is indeed still a next gen console because it IS a new hardware from the company, but you can't get mad at people saying "well... it feels like a current gen console..." because it DOES. That being said, I do agree with you that this whole next gen notion is starting to become less relevant anyway, and it's interesting to see how exactly are they going to try and justify a new hardware change.
  • Vonter - November 13, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    Well I agree technically Wii U isn't next gen. However I expect gameplay evolves as much as presentation evolve this past gen. Well, this will be the decisive year of the Wii U. Since as of now more that hate it'll have to prove being relevant or fall into irrelevancy. Also I'm not a tech expert but that heat issue sounds like a time bomb (it could likely not be an issue, but still sounds like it could harm the console in the long term).
  • BladedFalcon - November 13, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    Agreed, although that is an altogether a different issue, and Dependant entirely on the developers, not the consoles themselves. And well, maybe, maybe not. There's many devices in today's world that feel like they get super hot, but work just fine for years and years. Heck, the PS3 itself always gets pretty darn hot after an hour or two, but it has worked fine all this time. So it could pretty well mean nothing, BUT that is something we can only say for sure once people get it and some months pass.
  • Vonter - November 13, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    Well I admit I'm jumping the gun, mainly because of a experience a friend had. He had two PS3 malfunction due to overheating (although one was his fault for put the first one in a confined space), the second was one of the first models and it malfunction unexpectedly (also both were both used). Most likely I'm more superstitious given the size and superior capacity the hardware has, even more because Sony is known for making fragile products. Finally one last bit. The PS3 didn't won at selling hardware this gen, but I think it certainly did in its game library (hence some inferior ports compared to the 360). So yeah, I really hope Nintendo could at least invest on delivering alternative gaming experiences, like with the DS.
  • Arobadope - November 14, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    But I can actually tell the difference between 360/PS3 and Wii U games much like I can about the PS4 and so on. Though I should state that all the differences are again particles and better resolution, so it might be more perspective based. Which again goes into how absolutely s****y the whole moniker is. It might just be something we disagree on. For me the Next gen includes Wii U, but meh this whole next gen bs just makes me want to punch my computer screen with how much I hate that term lmfao.
  • TokenGamesRadarFurry - November 13, 2013 6:17 a.m.

    Here's hoping that heat doesn't become too much of an issue down the line. Still, looks good. Not getting one day one, but assuming this doesn't blow up in Sony's face, I'll end up getting one of these eventually.

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