This guy sounds like some idiot whos recently gotten rich off of casual gamers who play a game for 4 hours total then find something else to do, oh yeah and with a god complex stemming from the recent wealth. Hell the wealth will probably keep up, but it dont mean that people arent gunna jump on the NGP's capabilities like flies on....something. Same with the 3DS, people want complex large games, something apps are just not going to be able to pull off for a while at least.

@ Fetalspray
I thought I had heard they are actually making profit on the PS3 system sales now? Maybe Im wrong but I do know they have sold enough software to make the PS3 profitable as a whole otherwise they wouldnt still be doing it.Also I dont feel like Ive been ripped off I can truley say that, I have a launch day fat 60gb PS3 (that I upgraded to 500gb) and have never had anything but fun using it..well there was that ONE day where the clocks were messed up lol but that's it. So I guess I am naive then by your definition, but so be it.
Anyways no harm done man sorry about the condescending tone I sometimes carry...I try to be good, but no ones perfect right? Later.

@ Fetalspray
Look bro I aint mad at cha alright? But really your argument that "making an allegiance to someone who is just trying to get money out of you is an asanine concept" is completely naive at best..get it?

According to your argument that we should NOT favor some vendor or company over another, then you would say that if you go to two different car repair shops and one time one of them really screws you with shotty repairs, and overpriced products and the other gives you a fair deal and does good work you should continue to randomly choose which car shop you go to next time you need your car fixed?
I think most people would choose to go to the shop that treated them fairly, wouldn't you agree?
Do you even buy things? I mean that quite literally, do you buy things or do you still live at home with your parents who buy things for you and so you dont have to worry about things like that? Either way I'm sure they would know what Im talking about.

Dont be so jaded about these so called companies who are "driven by profit and therefore dont really care about the people who buy their product".

If they dont care then people will start to take their money elsewhere my freind and they will take the companies "profits" with them. What Im saying here is their profits are DIRECTLY driven by what people think of them dont you see? If the people dont like them, then the money goes with them. THAT my freind is the power of the free market, lets use it people! If this argument tires you , you should just lie down and take a nap and keep giving your money to a company you dont think treats you well. At least I can say I give my money to a company that I feel treats me better than a competitor.

@Redeater
I'm sorry I was so harsh with my language earlier really I went too far and for that I am sorry. I just felt like you were telling me what I should or should not say when I was not dealing with you to begin with. As far as my sarcasm goes in that first reply to Fetalspray if you look at his post you see thats how he was (sarcastically) describing Sony, so I used his sarcastic tactic as well but applied to a different company in my reply, thats all that is.
Anyways, im sorry for my language earlier I know that it is not constructive, thank you for reminding me of that.

OK here we go.
@ Redeater I was replying to a post from fetalspray in which he presented his case for why he believes sony is so gaddamn evil, which I disagreed with then presented my opinion on a company I felt more accurately matched his discription of said evil company. What the hell does that have to do with you? What the hell does that have to do with foaming at the mouth and fanboyism? I didnt bring that discription up, he did, I didnt agree with it and put forward a different view. Is that OK with you? Should I fucking check with you any time I have a thought? Or anytime anyone has a thought? Fuck off.

@ CoryRX8 never had I said that sony hasnt had its issues either , but seriously trying to pretend that it was anywhere near on the scale that Microsofts Xbox360 failed is ridiculous and I think you well know it. Not only did microsoft "pick up the ball and run with it" they left the country with it. Oh I forgot they left the country with it and their bags of money.

And again @ Fetalspray
I didnt bring a console war into this man, you posted your oppinion of Sony, and I disagreed and presented what I feel is a more accurate name to your generic evil corporation label.
You dont think Sony is bringing new trends to gaming? really? Can you show some examples from microsofts platforms similar to original content coming from sony? IE. Heavy Rain, Little Big Planet, Flow, Flower, The last Gaurdian. How about the fact they include bluetooth capability in the console day one? Or Blu ray day one? or Wifi Day one?
Im sorry but I think that argument speaks for itself.
Now move I never brought up and never would have because I know its just their way to cash in on the trend, JUST like microsoft has, so what?
Also whos paying me to let them spit on me? I'm sorry but I have not received my check, and I cannot remember being spit on by sony, only that I have enjoyed using their products at my home, Im sorry if its weird to you that people develop an "allegiance" like that to a company that takes care of you well, but it happens. Should we not develop allegiances like that? Should it not matter to me from who or where I get things? And if some people or places give me better expierences should I NOT favor them? Sorry not only is that human nature, it's a smart move.

Before you guys start calling fanboy and trying to idiot rage on me, maybe you should read all the posts completely and actually see what people are saying.I swear you guys just love to get me going!

Lol Corben this is teh internetz man. Does anything ever stay on topic here?

He should deceide to mod other peoples Xboxs, he'd make a killing and talk about job security!

@ fetalspray
I completely disagree. Sony seems to me to be the company that "gets it" they look for and develop all of the new trends and independent ideas for use in gaming. Look at Little Big Planet, The Last Guardian, etc. They push the envelope of gaming so their customers can enjoy more games period. Now do they look to make a profit and protect their property along the way? Yes, but I sure as hell don't blame them.

Microsoft seems to me to be the greedy "we dont give a flying fudge" about our customers company to me. They put out consistantly FAIL products and just know that their idiot fan base will keep buying them and getting them repaired. Oh yeah then they charge you to play on line...and for everything else under the sun they can think of. Then they bash a bunch of baby seals' heads in with a baseball bat with a rusty nail stuck in the end of it before they climb into their corporate jets and get whisked away to New york to drink $1000 a glass drinks and make fun of the homeless. Not very nice at all are they!?

Wow 2012 you say huh? Dang you going off the mayan calander or something?
Also, you really decided NOT to do anything with the playstation Move wand? I applaud your self will.

Sorry ran out of room. Im also running out of time here so I am rushing all this stuff at the end in an effort to finnish, please excuse the rush.

The companies want the door shut, but the people don't. This affects us. Its a struggle to keep the door closed by the companies against the pirates behind the homebrewers on the other side of the door yelling to "just let us in, we're just homebrewers".
Basically I have to get this done here so I will try to just get in my main point here,
The homebrewing affects us because people will use its freedoms to do other more nefarious things that the companies dont like, so they have to fight it.
What ever happened to buying a game console and playing the games that come out for it? People say well now we can make our own games on this console and play them. That sounds fun I admit and its creative as well, I am not against the homebrewers, but I understand the companies position here. After all who was the one to put up the capital and resources to design, manufacture,market, and service these consoles? The homebrewer? I think not. If you want to make your own games maybe you should make your own console as well. Otherwise, dont get upset when actions are being taken by the companies to protect their investments.

@ Foxdenracing
You have certainly covered the used game sales issues, however I was really not dealing with that, I was really just focused in on the "new" game sales when I was speaking about the Game shop.

The used games market is really not what the game developers are most concerned about here when it comes to piracy I would venture. Afterall like you said the retailers are the main benifactors from used game sales, besides like you mentioned the "exposure" the developers get from having their used games being spread around more. When you really boil it down through the developers eyes anyone buying/stealing/ whatever new games from end retailers is none of thier concern because they have already been paid for their product from the end retailers.
I think what really causes the developers (and therefore should also bother us gamers) is the free downloading of their games from the internet, where their ability to be paid for their work from any source (save for maybe the one guy who slapped it on the net) is taken from them without their express consent. Would anyone reading this want their work to be taken for free by thousands of people without that being your intention? I think not.

Bottom line man I'm not upset at really anyone on here so I don't really think me becoming more calm is necissary, and I realize we are on the same page so I am certainly not trying to argue with you man, I just really want to try to point out why the developers/ game companys/ etc. have such a huge issue with piracy, because frankly from reading alot of these comments here it seems like alot of people think its not a big deal, and they get pissed off at the developers/ game companys/ etc. for wanting to protect their investments which is non-sensical because while they are trying to protect their profits, they are also trying to protect their ability to bring us good games, which everyone wants. Right?

I didnt want this to get too long, but I feel like I have to address this as well.
Saying that sony caused people like geohot to let the keys out into the wild by taking away OtherOS is just incorrect. Do you really think that it would have NEVER happened had they not taken it away? I don't think so, it seems to me Sony was trying to minimize their risks which is something every succesful buisness does. Now, whether or not taking away OtherOS to minimize their risks completley backfired on them or not is not what I am talking about here because maybe it did, but maybe the writting was already on the wall as they say anyway at that point, who knows? Like you said man there are ALOT of bored geeks out there.

Now I know that my view on this may not be very popular but here goes anyway.
You say that people using their console to homebrew and such is not affecting you or me, and they should just be able to do it, but I contend that this is not correct. My contention is that those kinds of actions do not directly affect me or you, or Sony, but that they have an indirect affect on all of us.
There is alot of evidence all around us that points to this conclusion.
The very fact that this issue comes up in these convos shows that this does have an effect on us. Secondly, to say that Sony, the game developers, publishers, and even end retailers are completley seperate entities when it comes to making/selling games and consoles is naive at best. All of these companies have a common interest to sell us good games and consoles to make money, I think we could all agree on that yes? So then when something affects their ability to make money from that venture comes up they are going to want to minimize it's effects to keep profits (and thier ability to bring us good games) at a maximum. My main point here is that game console makers want to have good games for people to buy on their console so they can sell more consoles, and that game makers want a good console to put thier games on because they know they have a large consumer base with a console that has done well. Now while the homebrew people may not be a large risk to their goals, it still is a risk. Their ability to change the consoles to make them do what they want brings home the risk to everyone involved. They have an open door so to speak to start doing other things that become more and more troublesome for the companies, so the companies do not want it to happen. Like you said in your post:
"Someone using their PS3 to write homebrew games on does not affect or endanger me, does not affect or endanger you, does not affect or endanger Sony, and until it does [by, say, writing new firmware for the PS3 and selling it, or using it to commit piracy"
You say until it does....how long do you think it will be? When the door is open, whats to stop the animals from running? It is simple human nature at this point...simply put if someone HAS the ability to do it, they or someone else WILL.
The companies want this door to remain shut, and I don't blame them.

I don't know about anyone else, and I realize I'm getting into this a little late from the already 3 pages of comments, but I find this convo interesting...also I find 8bitbaby to be both shallow and pedantic.

Going to copy paste here cause I gotta few words with this one....From Rabidpotatochip.
"Stealing is stealing, the only difference is how you do it and what you use to do it."
I'm not about to say that piracy doesn't hurt sales because I believe it does, but here's a choice quote about what defines theft: "A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it". If you walk into your local game shop and walk out with the latest Madden 20xx under your shirt that is theft, if you download it from the net just for the lulz it's copyright infringement. In the grand scheme of things, both deprive the publisher of money but only one directly deprives them of a sale.

tl;dr: Hacking a console is not theft, equivalent to misuse of a gun, nor illegal in and of itself and does not immediately make you a pirate. It's what you choose to do afterwards that's important.

Ok first off im not hatin on ya bro but I just think you have some flaws in your argument.

About the game shop and stealing a copy of a game , as opposed to downloading a free digital copy off the internet. You say that in the grand scheme of things both deprive the developer of money (which is not true), but only one directly deprives them of a sale. Now, I am assuming you are using this example to illuminate the fact that stealing from the store is like robbing the developer, and downloading off the internet is not like robbing the developer..is that right? The more I think about your statements on this matter the more confused I get. It seems to me from your comments that you are saying the downloading isnt as bad for the developer as taking the game from the store is...in fact that is exactly opposite. Also, your choice quote about theft...umm how does that not describe both of your situations exactly?.

In reality the case where you steal the game from the game shop is NOT stealing from the developer and they have NOT had a sale deprived from them because when you buy it from the game store that property is owned by the game store because they already bought it from the game company right? So that takes one sale from the Game shop, but hey at least its just one sale right? Now lets think about downloading a digital copy for free off the internet...This is software that the game company has NOT sold to another game shop or "middle man" if you will so they didnt get even one sale there did they? Maybe they did if someone bought the game then put it on the internet I suppose, so lets say they did get that one sale then, but what happens when thousands of people begin to download it for free off the internet? The game company has now lost Thousands (or however many download it) of sales, not just one sale....so really if you're a game company which is worse in your eyes now? Thousands or potentially unlimited number of lost sales because people can download it for "lulz" off the internet or the Game shop losing one sale? Think about it people. Pirating WILL hurt your gaming expierences if its not controlled. Wake up!

Sorry this got long, and I have more to say but I gotta go, later.

This looks like it will be a great game, might have to pick it up day one.

Shut the front door!!!
Awesome, I cannot wait for this game!

/Agree with Brizee

Lol I like the part how this story is telling us we don't know anything yet...the story is a non-story lol.
Also I like the picture of the sickened japanese gamer lol a white guy.
Looks like the crack picture department strikes again eh? lol

Lol @ Bellakaza.

Demons Souls 2 as a rock solid for sure announcement would be sweet, also I am looking forward to Dragon Age 3.
I have seen some chants of MGS5, but we all know snakes story is done, and while I'd love more MGS to play, I dont see it happening, not as a true sequel anyway.

Good discussion guys, I think the crack is in itself a bad thing, but I really think Werebear nailed it by saying theres far too much money in this industry now for it to fail. More income than movies keeps us safe.

@ Kwalaboy
Good point. Point taken. Point for Kwalaboy!
The whole point of my original post was just the humor I found with the fact that their "research" was on WoW. surely we can all see the humor there? Then JADEN goes and shows up...lol