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  • JarkayColt - September 5, 2013 1:48 a.m.

    From a competitive standpoint, Mega Charizard still seems very poor. Most of the previous Megas seemed to go a good way towards fixing their downfalls (Mega Mawile has Huge Power!), but GF missed a trick by not making Mega Charizard a Fire/Dragon type (which would have fixed its crippling Rock weakness.) It could have retained its Flying properties with Levitate. As a Drought user I still think it will be outclassed by Ninetales, especially if you're only allowed one Mega Evolution per team. In fact, Charizard would probably still gain more benefit by having its Solar Power Ability alongside a Drought Ninetales so that it can have the luxury of any other Held Item, rather than employing Drought itself. IMO Mega Blaziken is also potentially worse than regular Blaziken just because it can't hold an item (again, if you're only allowed one Mega you'd be better off allowing another Pokémon on your team to use it, since regular Blaziken has Speed Boost and can use Swords Dance anyway.) However Mega Venusaur with Thick Fat is excellent. It means that now, it's only weak to Psychic and Flying. It's going to get a bit harder to take down now! I think all their designs are pretty good personally. By the way, in the Direct they say something like, you should be excited to see what all the other Pokémon look like when they Mega Evolve. They also said it is special because you feel as though your bond with your favourite Pokémon transcends into the Mega Evolution. From that, it seems to imply that at the very least every final-stage Pokémon will be able to Mega Evolve. It wouldn't be fair if somebody's favourite Pokémon couldn't do it whilst another person's could. Whether or not it will apply to every Legendary Pokémon or not though is a different matter, however from what we've seen so far it's probably safe to say that I don't think any not-fully-evolved Pokémon will be able to Mega Evolve (so can people just stop it with the Mega Magikarp jokes already. XD)
  • shawksta - September 5, 2013 2:18 a.m.

    It says in the website that Mega Charizard's special attack is boosted significantly. . Solar Power boosts it by %50, whose to say the extra Special Attack boost Mega Charizard gets isnt equal or better than Solar Power? Also DAMN with Mega Venasaur as it also getting a boost in its Defence and Special Defence. Your right about other Pokemon, and its really exciting.
  • SpadesSlick - September 5, 2013 2:48 a.m.

    Besides, Charizard gets an attack boost with drought without the drawbacks of solarpower, while not being a terrible competitive pokemon like Ninetales. I can definitely see it being a prevailing lead on OU sun teams.
  • SpadesSlick - September 5, 2013 2:50 a.m.

    Also it now defeats Politoed every time which makes it insanely valuable. Drizzle will always activate first, only to get removed from the field when Charizard megaevolves. If it stays in, it risks getting wrecked by a solarbeam.
  • JarkayColt - September 5, 2013 3:03 a.m.

    You make some good points, but Mega Blaziken has Speed Boost, right? So, who's to say that Mega Politoed won't have Drizzle? Of course, nobody knows that yet, but it's still a possibility. In that scenario, you could have a Water Absorb Politoed, but one which then Mega Evolves into a Drizzle Politoed. In THAT scenario it would be the one countering Mega Charizard!
  • SpadesSlick - September 5, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    MegaBlaziken has speedboost because if it didn't no one would ever use it over dream world Blaziken, because it's basically one of the top 4 abilities in the game and GF knows it. All the ones they have shown so far are buffs to pokemon people love. It's fan service to the finest. This is GF trying to let people justify using Charizard competively so I doubt they would give politoed such a direct way to counter it. Not that it matters to me much. MegaAbsol ride or die. Only pokemon that could beat it out for my megaspot is either a mega frosslass or megamismagius.
  • Frieza - September 5, 2013 7:30 a.m.

    If there is a Mega Politoed, I hope it doesn't have Drizzle. Drizzle summons infinite rain, and doesn't stop if Politoed faints or switches out. It only stops if a new weather effect is put in place, or a special move or ability stops it. Considering that Drizzle starts when Politoed enters the field, having Drizzle on its Mega form would be a waste. Instead, why not have a move that goes well with Drizzle, such as Rain Dish or Swift Swim? Of course, you could say that Politoed could have another ability, like Water Absorb. But why use Water Absorb when Drizzle is a much better move? The only reason why Politoed is used so much is because of that ability, so why give him a different one that is less effective? You could also say the one-turn delay would be useful, but if you're facing a decent opponent he/she would take that into account, and could easily predict that. That's just the way I'm looking at it though.
  • JarkayColt - September 5, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    Well, SpadesSlick was saying that since Mega Charizard has Drought, the staggered activation would cause some problems for the regular Drizzle Politoed if they were both sent out first, because whereas Drizzle Politoed always overrides Ninetales if they both lead, a Mega Charizard lead could undo Politoed's rain (or any weather for that matter) and retaliate by transforming on the first turn. This could cause Politoed to fall out of favour as its either toast (SolarBeam) or forced to switch. What I was saying, is that if a Mega Politoed were to retain Drought as its ability, you could activate the ability on demand to protect yourself against Mega Charizard, as assumedly Politoed would transform after Charizard and therefore retain weather priority. This would probably still work if its natural non-Mega ability was Drizzle if the game checks and reactivates the ability again after it Mega Evolved, but you may as well run its regular Water Absorb ability instead in the event you can wrangle some HP back if you switch back in on a water move (I'm assuming a Mega Evolution is cancelled if you switch out). Yeah, Mega Politoed could have Swift Swim for example, and set itself up for that with a regular-Politoed Drizzle, but if more Pokémon get access to Drought or Drizzle it's going to seriously undermind Politoed's effectiveness at employing the ability.
  • JarkayColt - September 5, 2013 2:52 a.m.

    Really? I hadn't read anything about specific stat increases, so that's interesting. However I highly doubt that Mega Charizard will have anywhere near 50% extra Special Attack, let alone more. 30% at best, maybe. That way, the lower boost compared to Solar Power can offset the fact that using Solar Power drains a significant chunk of your HP. But still, being able to hold an item is important too. A Charizard with Solar Power and Choice Specs will have a Special Attack stat that is 200% the normal (I wouldn't recommend Life Orb because that's just suicide). It can also benefit from a Choice Scarf instead as its speed is only just above average. Then again, Solar Power Charizard is pretty much unobtainable for now anyway, so I guess Mega Charizard will please most people who just wanted a cooler Charizard, lawls. But yeah, if every fully-evolved Pokémon could Mega Evolve, that means there would be about...hmm...200 or so Mega Stones? Where on earth are they going to hide them all!? Still, it was kinda fun collecting all the Arceus plates in PPPt, this will probably be like that, except much grander. Also since they've said Blazikenite isn't normally in the game they might be holding a few of them back to trickle out in distributions further own the line.
  • C.King - September 5, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    charizard pretty fast and with both the sp atk boost and drought i can see it sweeping from the get go. the drought won't let me use aqua jet well if he already transformed and he'd beable to cover his weaknesses with solarbeam. i feel like u gotta see him coming and water gem aqua jet em to get a head start on em
  • JarkayColt - September 5, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Good point about Aqua jet, and sure, this means Charizard could take Surfs or Hyrdo Pumps a bit better as well. But Charizard is still outsped by some notable Pokémon, especially ANYTHING holding a Choice Scarf that can use Stone Edge. In terms of stuff naturally faster than it, it won't like a Thunderbolt from Jolteon, Gengar or Starmie, a fresh Archeops could murder it and Garchomp or Virizion could use Stone Edge too as a couple examples. Also Tyranitar could stop it dead just by switching in. Mega Charizard is going to be a pretty tough cookie though because it could actually rip apart some bulky waters like Swampert and the like.
  • C.King - September 5, 2013 6:31 p.m.

    the choice scarf is a good idea but u'd need to see it coming, archeops sounds fantastic for em but a switch in is out of the question, jolteon is great if it could 1 shot it or paralyze so it can't sweep and be easier to pick off for something else preferably with moxie so u can turn the tables. i think anything with flash fire (the absorption for a fire power boost right?) is your best bet since it'll be able to benefit and take it's flame and solar beams and continue off it but i don't think anything is with it is fast enough or could make it's move before an earth quake. i think pranskter tailwind or stun spore could make a sacrifice to set up a different pokemon to kill em
  • C.King - September 6, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    i got it! the end all solution! blue striped basculin with water gem and aqua jet will hit charizard with a 240 power priority attack
  • JarkayColt - September 7, 2013 2:30 a.m.

    That sounds too good to be true! Not saying your numbers are wrong, but I can only seem to get 120 out of that, so let me know if I missed something: firstly, it doesn't matter if the Basculin is Red or Blue because I'm assuming that you're factoring in Adaptability (they both have it.) That would increase the effective base power of Aqua Jet from 40 to 80. Then, a Water Gem would increase that to 120. Even if both of those multiplers were applied in reverse order, you'd still get 120. This strategy only really works if Basculin and Charizard were sent out simultaneously (most likely in the lead). The chance of this happening is incredibly small because even with team preview, you have no way of knowing which of the opponents' Pokémon could be holding a Mega Stone. If Charizard gets to Mega Evolve the Base Power would then be back at 80 (60 after the Gem is used.) Also, keeping a mediocre Pokémon like Basculin in your team just for Mega Charizard sounds like a huge waste XD I think using something with Flash Fire was your better idea. The chance of Mega Charizard having Earthquake is a little lower because it seems to be Special Sweeper material (although it could still carry EQ though for maybe Heatran etc, plus it might gain the ability to learn Earth Power. Failing that, it could just use the Rock-typed AncientPower...huh, maybe that doesn't sound such a good idea now.) Although a Choice Band Arcanine could take off around 50% of its HP using ExtremeSpeed which could be handy for picking it off. Oh yeah...actually I forgot that Thundurus with Prankster Thunderwave would basically shut it down. In fact, its faster than Charizard anyway so Thundurus' Electric STAB move of choice could kill it lol.
  • C.King - September 7, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    when i said 240 it was best case scenario and getting a super effective hit, i don't think basculine should be underestimated it hits hard and fast though there are other pokemon that could do both and it's still a 120 power attack on things with neutral typing so doesn't seem to bad. adapability 2X gem 1.5x super effective 2x for a total of 6x. usually a 4x attack enough to down a raw opponent so i'd think u have a good shot taking it down and no way will it survive 2. ya know since it seems i made basculin's main use aqua jet maybe choice band would be better i'd still assume it's a good bet because loads of people with weather abilities open up with em even tyranitar when they have no other mineral types on their team and if it's a normal charizard i don't see much of a issue dealing with i don't really like using legendaries or starters but yea thundurus could totally shut it down and maybe even put up rain for thunder and hurricane, also sceptile has rockslide, and if u got solarbeam on it u turn his drought into yours ya know a great pokemon, scolipede, it soooo fast but it's rock moves have a chance of missing which usually makes me nervous and the rest of it's move pool pretty good if aerodactyl could take better advantage of his abilities i feel he'd be more popular, aerodactyl would 100% hill mega charizard, it a solid number faster and has a stab rock attack so as long as it can land it good even if it already set up, unless charizard had a ninjask to baton pass it a speed boost, i wonder if it worth risking a ancient power a sure hit but much weaker i have no idea if it'd finish him off likely but no clue, pattern i seeing all physical rock moves worth using really inaccurate wow this is a interesting discussion i feel like i found a good number of counters and also a cover up for a counter for megacharizard
  • GOD - September 5, 2013 1:39 a.m.

    Since there's Pichu, Pikachu, and Raichu, could there be a Mega Raichu? Do ones with baby versions and stone evolutions count for the 3-stage requirement? Can Mega Machamp just be a pair of buff legs supporting a head and a dozen super buff arms????
  • JarkayColt - September 5, 2013 1:55 a.m.

    Where are you getting the 3-stage requirement from? Absol and Mawille can Mega Evolve for a start and they have no evolutionary relatives. Lucario is also a two-stage line. I think it's more an ultimate form for any Pokémon that has fully-evolved characteristics, so Mega Raichu is very likely.
  • winner2 - September 5, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    Oh my god I would pay 100$ if that machamp was in the game
  • g1rldraco7 - September 5, 2013 12:25 a.m.

    This is exactly how I pictured Mega Charizard and now my life is complete :)
  • shawksta - September 4, 2013 11:31 p.m.

    For Mega Blastoise, i was expecting a Bigger Canon, but not 2 other hand canons, turned out more awesome. When my Brother saw Mega Charizard, the first thing that came out of his mouth was "Wow, he looks like a Skyrim Dragon" XD My favorite has to be Mega Venasaur, I love how he basically grew another pair of 4, more taller branches while his old ones are nestled at the bottom of his back. With his main flower getting more bigger and you have Vines just hanging there between the main plant and longer branches. It looks like a F*cking Jungle in there and i LOVE IT. Dat Pink Petal is like an extra icing :P
  • slimjim441 - September 4, 2013 10:52 p.m.

    I really want to believe that all this is cool, the 90s kid in me wants to hate everything about these mega evolutions and scream 'BULLSHIT! BLASPHEMY!! HOW DARE THEY DEFILE THE PERFECTION THAT IS GEN ONE!!!' But... I think this stuff's kinda cool. I'm excited.
  • shawksta - September 4, 2013 11:49 p.m.

    They took the perfection of Gen one, and made it more awesome :P

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