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I've made an attempt to show the people out there *some* of Marduk's capabilities. While most of the guys would agree Marduk has the ability to beat the crap out of others there are still some people who think he is a linear character to start with. Some people might wonder why a faq on him, now? Well, i can give you some reasons: * There are no other faqs on Tekken 5 Marduk. * Some people may like to know how good or bad Marduk is compared to other characters. * Some people seriously want to learn him. * I never got to play DR or 6. I'm still playing this game, thats why. * etc. Moreover, Marduk is a very much balanced character to start with. He is one of the most powerfull characters in the game,if not THE most. He can be very tough against most of tekken cast.He has got some very unique moves which do bother others.You will come to know why am i saying so, if u just keep reading.:) My experience with Marduk is casual as this FAQ & the strategies will reflect, but most of the shitt i've come upon with came from over 4 years of my experience with him. I sincerely hope you'll find some *useful* info for Marduk which you could learn or incorporate in your matches too.I'll try to be as practical with it as i can . Also some veteran tekken players are behind this who encouraged me to write this faq. =================================================================== LEGEND =================================================================== ------------------ Commands ------------------ 1 left punch (triangle button) 2 right punch (square button) 3 left kick (X button) 4 right kick (circle button) f tap forward F hold forward b tap back B hold back u tap up U hold up d tap down D hold down d/f tap down and forward D/F hold down and forward d/b tap down and back D/B hold down and back u/f tap up and forward U/F hold up and forward u/b tap up and back U/B hold up and back qcf quarter circle forward qcb quarter circle back (d,d/f,f) (d,d/b,b) hcf half circle forward hcb half circle back (b,d/b,d,d/f,f) (f,d/f,d,d/b,b) ------------------ Notations ------------------ N neutral joystick position SSL side step (left only) SS side step (left or right) SSR side step (right only) FC full crouch position WS while standing up from crouch WR while running [ ] optional command(s) ( _ ) or ... continue infinitely + at the same time ~ immediately after , followed by < delayed input * press and hold button(s) = next in sequence : "just frame" input - button must be pressed on an exact frame number ------------------ Grounded Positions ------------------ KND knock down (face up / feet towards) PLD play dead (face up / feet away) SLD slide (face down / feet away) FCD face down (face down / feet towards) ------------------ Throw Types ------------------ F front throw B back throw L left side throw R right side throw C crouch throw (from the front on a crouching opponent) A air throw (opponent in the air) G ground throw - - ------------------ Move Properties ------------------ BT back turned FF face forward RC recovers crouching initially RCj RC joystick modifier (hold D or D/B) CH major counter hit OC forces opponent to crouch  (ex. Ganryu - u/f+3+4) OS forces opponent's side to OB forces opponent's back to face you face you (ex. Hwoarang - CH LFF,b+4)  (ex. Marshall - BT+1) JG juggle starter BN bounce juggle starter  (ex. Feng Wei - WS+3)  (ex. Bryan - b+1) BS block stun - attacking GB guard break - defending character has huge character takes a step back, disadvantage if blocked or their hands are in the air   (ex. Marshall - d/b+4) (ex. Feng Wei - f+1+2) SH stagger hit - opponent may DS double over stun - opponent recover KND in some cases can tap f to escape (ex. Lei - SS+1) (ex. King - CH f,f,N+2) MS minor stun - animations FS fall back stun - opponent vary, but usually nothing can tap f to escape is guaranteed after  (ex. Bryan - CH SS+1,2)   (ex. Nina - b,f+3) KS kneel stun - opponent falls CFS crumple fall stun - opponent to one knee, free hits are slowly falls down, free hits sometimes possible are usually possible  (ex. Anna - d/f+4) (ex. Heihachi - CH b+2) CF crumple fall - opponent CS crumple stun - opponent falls quickly falls down, free down, free hits are usually hits are usually possible possible (ex. Lee - CH f,f+4)   (ex. Roger Jr. - 3+4) [x] hit modifier (ex. CFS[1,2]) # see footnote (ex. #2) b block modifier (ex. BTb - c counter hit modifier character is BT on block) (ex. BNc - BN on counter hit) co crouching opponent modifier cco CH on crouching opponent (ex. SHco - SH on   (ex. JGcco) crouching opponent) cl clean hit modifier ccl CH clean hit modifier (ex. JGcl - JG on a (ex. FSccl) clean hit) bt back turned opponent - - modifier (ex. JGbt - JG on a BT opponent) ------------------ Hit Ranges ------------------ h high (block B or duck) H high, hits grounded m mid (block B) M mid, hits grounded l low (block D/B or jump over) L low, hits grounded Sm special mid (block B or D/B) SM special mid, hits grounded ! unblockable unblockable, can be ducked [!] unblockable, hits grounded T throw (duck or input escape command) ------------------ Character Specific (Stances, Special Positions, etc.) ------------------ LBR Labyrinth (Raven) FLA Flamingo (Baek) MST Mist Step (Lee) RKT Rocket Stance (Roger Jr.) HMS Hit Man (Lee) LFF Left Foot Forward (Hwoarang) CJM Chaos Judgement (Anna) RFF Right Foot Forward (Hwoarang) LCT Leg Cutter (Asuka) LFS Left Flamingo (Hwoarang) HPF Haze Palm Fist (Asuka) RFS Right Flamingo (Hwoarang) RDS Rain Dance (Ling) SIT Sit Down (Ganryu & Jack-5 & Kuma/Panda) AOP Art of Phoenix (Lei & Ling) HBS Hunting (Kuma/Panda) DRU Drunken Master Walk (Lei) ROL Prowling Grizzly Roll (Kuma/Panda) SNA Art of Snake (Lei) FKS Fake Step (Marshall) DGN Art of Dragon (Lei) DSS Dragon Sign (Marshall) PAN Art of Panther (Lei) DFS Dragon Fake Step (Marshall) TGR Art of Tiger (Lei) KNP Kenpo Step (Feng Wei) CRA Art of Crane (Lei) JAG Jaguar Step (King) CDS Crouching Demon (Jin) FLK Flicker (Steve) MNT Mount Position (Craig) ALB Albatross Spin (Steve) RDP Ready Position (Craig) LWV Left Weave (Steve) HSP Handstand (Christie/Eddy) RWV Right Weave (Steve) NEG Negativa (Christie/Eddy) DCK Ducking (Steve) POG Pogo (Yoshimitsu) DKI Ducking In (Steve) INS Indian Sit (Yoshimitsu) SWY Sway (Steve & Paul) DGF Dragonfly (Yoshimitsu) WND Wind Roll (Julia) MED Meditation (Yoshimitsu) - - =================================================================== STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES =================================================================== Whenever we choose Marduk as a player a picture that comes to mind is an ugly looking, tall & dull guy which is slow & hardly a threat to anybody but if you play him seriously, i think you'll certainly gain little awareness of him regarding his style, move properties etc. I think he has got good speed and power to kill even the top tiers if he is played correctly. That's why this section is dedicated to his ins & outs. =================================================================== STRENGTHS :) =================================================================== 1. Tackle: #1 reason to fear Marduk.Can't be reversed, only escaped.^_^ 2. He doesn't have a snakedash, crouchdash etc BUT he has: d/b+3+4(VTSbackdash),SS+3+4~3+4~3+4(sidestep VTScancel) which is extremely useful. 3. Unchickenable b+1+2 & b+3+4 reversals. 4. Okizeme, not crucial but still above many characters in the game. e.g.tackle 5. Inescapable air throws 6. Wonderful SS game. 7. Good bunch of unreversible moves & they also form a major part of his attacks. ==================================================================== WEAKNESSES :( ==================================================================== 1. He being a big is a soft target. That means he is easy to juggle than any character in the game. What else could be said that every character in the game has a special combo for him. DAMN!!! 2. Not special WS moves , atleast i think so. He should have been given a WS launcher either equal or less than 15 frames. 3. Lack of good damaging mid range whiff punishers. 4. His tracking ability isn't upto mark, he still has difficulty in tracking to his left. ==================================================================== SPECIAL ARTS : ==================================================================== This move analysis section is just a revised version of my old work on TZ forums. Some move properties rechecked, some new strategies added, more detailed throw description now, WS moves grouped in the VTS moves section etc. I've listed the moves description like this: Move Name Hit range No damages mentioned, check his movelist for that. Let's start it now. 1 h The basic 10 frame jab. It alone cannot do much. since it is 10 frames it can be beaten by nearly all 8 framers such as Steve, Feng, paul, Bryan, Kaz,etc. It is a good setup for jackhammer though.Don't stop here with this move alone rather go for the strings that start with it. 1,2 one Two punch hh Basic one two punches. Good for countering in some cases. Can be a good setup for JH ( from now onwards jack hammer will referred as JH ). The basic 1,2 is uninterruptible. It can replace 2,1 in few cases only such as countering law's f+1+2, Bryan's b+1 because the basic 1 or 2 come out equally fast but the 2,1 does'nt end that fast. That's why 1,2 is emphasized. Why take chances. Also it tracks fairly well to both sides. 1,2,f+1 Elbow Sting hhh Ok This option after 1,2 is little slow. BUT, it has frame advantage even on block!. It's not guaranteed after a CH1,2. Use it for presurring sometimes, when they are used to 1,2 & try to attack . on hit this move causes a short stun On CH ( CH here means after whiffed or blocked 1,2, then CHf+1 ) causes FCD. A d/b+4, u/f+3+4 or a FC,d/f+4 is guaranteed afterwards. Use it often, if u become predictable , they will start ducking it. 1,d+2 Straight Gut punch h,m A high mid string . a solid poke. safe on block . Use it to pull marduk out of tough situations. 1,d+2 can be used in cases where u think they are gonna duck the 1. Also 1,d+2 on block has more frame disadvantage than 1,2, So try your best to go on with 1,2. But still a safe strategy . 1,2,3 Stomach Kick h,h,m A hhm string . Am not sure wether it hits hits on counter. It is unsafe on block, you will eat jabs. Another bad thing I've noticed that when u throw that 1,2 & they guessed & duck & even if u know they're gonna do it & u tap 3 afterwards , their WS moves hit nearly all the times. Only use i've seen is it can be used after a wall splat. 1,2,3,1+2 TudoNoogie hhmh Another bad move which has'nt got any use either,IMO. The last head butt is unsafe on block & it's a high too. Only use i've seen is after f,f+1(W!) this whole string hits. Otherwise don't use it even if sparingly atleast. 1,2,3+4~3+4 VTS crouch cancel hh All things same as 1,2 except it has 3+4~3+4 (VTS cancel) extension which is the mainstay of Marduk's enormous juggles. Earlier i thought it to be a showoff but now i have realized this thing has got its places. The cancel itself is safe, no move can touch u. It is a good bait for reversals or inviting them to commit some mistakes. You'll know how, keep reading. d+1 Tank Elbow m A short ranged unreversible & safe mid which puts opponent in all situations be it : A Block- a d/b+2 is uninterruptible afterwards On Hit- a d/b+1 is guaranteed afterwards. On CH. It's +6 on block! but heavily punishable if whiffed . Also very good for wakeup games. Plus this move leads to mixups on block, like throws, lows etc. More in Pokes & mixups section. In 5.1 the move is +3 on block. d/f+1 Swing upper m Marduk's uppercut . it comes from his left hand . It launches opponents even if they are crouching. A guaranteed move after low parry. Can be used as an interrupter SOMETIMES. Tracks to Marduk's left. This move is also good in the sense after blocking Steve's FLK 1,1,1, 2 this move will launch him even from the max range whereas the generic u/f+4 like King's one whiffs from that range. So this move has the upper edge in that respect.Though slower only for 1frame than the latter, still holds its own. Finally, if u get this blocked, you'll eat jabs. f,f+1 Blister Elbow m This is Marduk's another uppercut launcher coming from his left hand. One of Marduk,s Half life enders . Tracks to Marduk,s left . Safe on block but i would say it is slow , can't be used regularly in fast games against 8-framers . But can be used to punish them after blocking low hits that stagger the opponent . One more good thing about it is u can dash & delay the 1, & still get the move. f,f+1,2 Blisterknuckle mm i myself don't use the 2 ender much but u may use it sometimes if ur opponent is used to f,f+1 & is coming charging , otherwise use it often. f,f+1,2* Delayed Blisterknuckle mm A uppercut combo. hold the 2 for making the combo complete. But if the 1 is blocked, 2 can be interrupted. Not a bad move ,i would say, but a bad combo. d/b+1 Down jab Sm A special mid to pull Marduk out of tough situations . A high crush, just for completeness of the move. b+1 Knuckle Dunk M Another mid which hits grounded opponents too.Marduk lunges back and throws out his left punch. On CH, some good wakeupgames. A most prominent juggle ender. Safe on block. 1+2 Guard push m it has good speed. It is 13 frames & 15 on CH. So u have 3 options afterwards f+1+2 f,f+2 d+4 The f,f+2 does'nt connect sometimes , but u can rely on f+1+2. Use f,f+2 near a wall . Then go for the ground throw attempt, or d/f+3,1,2,3. It all hits. Use 1+2 for interrupting , but be sure all things can be done against it. It can be parried, reversed etc.Full tracking. Use it wisely. d+1+2 Shoulder impact m This is a move marduk players can't live without but it's not a high crush . It can be usedto punish those whiffed jabs e.g.- paul's 1,2 in which 1 started far off, but the 2 was to connect , there u can go for this move . However, if paul went ahead for the 3 of his 10 strings u might eat it. So keep it in mind . You will eat jabs if this move is blocked. Jin can parry it with his b+2+4. d/f+1+2 Tudo Noogie m This move is a high crush. It stops all short, medium high attacks & creates a short stun. I've myself succeeded in interrupting the opponent even at frame disadvantage e.g.- After blocking DJ's 1,1 & he went for it again , this move stopped him. Leads to mixups on hit. d/b+1+2 Sway Power Hammer m As the name implies, this really is a "POWER HAMMER". Has enormous damage combos after it. This move has got a ministep to right so doing a SSR manualy before throwing it out gives better results but be aware that way chances are most of the time you'll launch them awkwardly. So be prepared for that. Another point about it if you do a SSL instead you'lllaunch them nicely but this thing should be done rarely & only against chars. who have weak tracking to left. The main purpose of this move is evasion so its a part of its turtuling strategy.Also i've seen after 2,1 strings hit , this move catches them if they try to attack. Heyy.., it isn't over yet, this move catches tech to right.i.e., if the opponent is techrolling to his left & Marduk's right.Has got nearly same properties of d+1+2, but is slower& more severly punshable if blocked. u/f+1+2 Mongolian Crush h Ear slap that causes CFS. Fair speed, but the followups are limited. I myself rarely use it. f+1+2 Cyclone knuckles h This move has only three things good about it 1> It is guaranteed after a CH1+2 2> It is very good forpunishing opponents 3> Has got a good , longer range It is more punishable if blocked at close range , so i would say use this from a little far so that it just gets connected & u are only little unsafe. It knocks down on CH but i don't know wether a b+1 is guaranteed after it or not.Also this move tracks very well both sides. WS+1+2 Quick upper m A fast but weak mid coming from his left hand . Short range. Use it only when u need to outspeed your opponent. FC+1+2:b Craig horn - Tudo Toss m An easy JF . Marduk raises his head & throws opponents behind him. Looks like a throw .Looks like a high crush from FC, but i am not sure. 2,1 Kong Combo hh My favourite string for jab punishing cases. True combo. 2nd hit causes a little stun . Very good setup for JH, qcb+1+2, qcf+2, etc. Marduk's positioning is very good after it. Has got frame advantage on block.But in case if it is going to be blocked u need to carefull that 1 of the string can be ducked. If u anticipate they're gonna do it, then do 1> 2,1,3,1 Don't move further bcoz more bad things can be done after this. Strings following it can be reversed , parried, etc & more severly punished on block. 2> 2,d+1+2 Can give it a try if they try to duck. I would be prefering it bcoz it has juggling chances whereas the above ones don't , even if they are equally jab punishable . But I won,t say completely underestimate the 1> case because if they hit, opponents will stop definitely in 7/10 cases( i am not a mathematician, lol) then u get a much better chance to land JH or qcf+2. I've seen if 2,1, qcf+2 setup works & you've had success with the mount, it eliminates their nearly half life bar. So both cases are equally useful. Otherwise , if they try to move after 2,1 hits & try to get cocky , kill them with,d/b+2,1+2 etc. 2,d+1+2 Hook- Shoulder impact hm This is not a combo on normal hit neither on counter. So what is it good for. You can use it after sidewalking them, yes, SIDEWALKING. One more use could be if u started 2 from little far so thatit whiffed ,& u see them coming charging in, d+1+2 extension might be used. Enough about it. f+2 = 1 = d+1 Hammer hook hook smash hh hm The first hit stuns on counter. It has a nice juggle afterwards. 2nd hit stuns regardless, if the first move is blocked or whiffed. Use f+2 with little caution bcoz (1) Alone f+2 is jab punishable on block if u stop there or try to delay the 1 (2) Even if f+2 hits as a normal hit , they can still duck , so mixup with d+1. But in most cases i've seen if people know that the opponent is good, they don't duck it. But still be carefull. Lastly , f+2,1 is a good juggle ender. d/f+2 Gut Punch m A mid gut punch, fairly fast .Safe on block. d+2,4 Alligator mm A combo which does nice chunk of damage. If the first hits , last hits too. Safe on block, even if u stop there. Use it for pressuring sometimes, but u have a better d/b+2 which isfaster also. It's range sucks , sometimes the 4 whiffs. But the damage it does is worth it. Also ,if in rare case the 2 whiffed & 4 ender connected as a CH, u get a CFS. Same as a CH WS+4, but followups are'nt same . Follow with d/f+3,1 combos. And in case i haven't mentioned, its unreversible too. Good good. d/b+2 Flash Tomahawk m A fast mid which short stuns opponents. On counter. A d/b+1 is guaranteed after it. A normal hit or block also provides good positioning. It is a low crush from close range.It has got a little preference over d+1 also, coz its fast .A strong part of Marduk's offence. b+2 Rolling Back Chop m A mid that tracks to marduk's left. Stuns on counter, small combos are possible from it. A fair whiff punisher & good range. Also, good for punishing backrollers. But, jab punishable on block. f,f+2 Elbow Sting h Its a high. It KNDs on hit & is UNREVERSIBLE . Use it more often, as it adds an element of speed he typically lacks. According to official sources, this move is 11 frames but it is almost impossible to bring it out so fast. This move is also guaranteed after a CH 1+2 & has got a nice property to punish after most blocked attacks. It is guaranteed after blocking Steve's d/f+1+2. Tracks to Marduk's right. SS+2 Backhand Spin Knuckle m I would better say it a tech catcher & slight whiff punisher. Good to punish those whiffed u/f+4s, Paul's deathfist sometimes ( Although u have better options ). Catches backrollers. One good use i've seen , after a WS+4 & they try to move then SSR+2. It will hit them. Otherwise , if they stay there , then SSR & do d/b+4. Again only for idea. (SLD_FCD)2_d+2 Wake up hammer_ Wake up sweep m_L Nothing needs to be told about the FCS one i think. The SLD one has uses. The d+2 sweeps the opponent . I don't compeletely know wether combos are possible from it. I myself use d/f+4_u/f+3+4 after this. The simple 2 is really a wake up hammer, looks much like the d/f+1+2 i the end. Be careful don't get d+2 blocked. 3 Hook kick h The basic high kick . Knocks them down. Unsafe on block. d/f+3,1 m,h.... For this one i won't list the names as they are many of them. Natural combo from mid range. Also good setup for JH(d/f+3,1). U can replace the 2 for d+2 also. All other further strings are the same as start with 1,2. U can go for f+1 after 2 SOMETIMES for pressuring. Also 3 after 2 is a combo after a wall splat. d/f+3,d+1, mm This is Marduk's biggy. Launches on CH. The d+1 in the sting itself catches tech rollers & launches on normal hit, even crouchers.One situation to show you that d+1 launches them on normal hit: Throw out a f,f+2 so that it hits. Now don't rush, stay there. Throw out d/f+3,d+1 slightly delay the d+1. What do you see? The d+1 launches them. How? Reasons might be: >> Either they were crouching & predicting the 1 to come out. OR >> They thought as if 1 was going to whiff, so they rushed in. These are the reasons i feel why were they launched. However, you may come across many situations when you will be launching them like this. It proves that d+1 in the string d/f+3,d+1 launches on normal hit too. Set up for this move with d/f+3,1.practice & learn to note the difference between 1& d+1, so that whenever u see d/f+3 as CH, u can go for d+1 instead of 1, even if u had predecided to go for 1. learn to delay between d/f+3 & 1_d+1 a little bit to learn the mixups. I prefer this move above f+3 , bcoz it is faster. Go for the 2 ender after d+1, only if u see it blocked , coz d+1 is jab punishable on block. Play with it smartly . d/f+3,d+1, 2 mmh Ohh.. I really don't bother about this move anymore now. Reason: >> The last 2 is a high. >> The last 2 can be SSR >> The last 2 by is prone to reversals, parries, etc. >> Most of the tekken cast can interrupt the last 2 with jabs after blocking d+1. Do you want to know anything else? f+3 Knee lift m Marduk's another move which has got huge combos if it hits as CH. Is slower than d/f+3, but is safe on block. This move pushes back so far that u are safe. Use it sometimes for creating breathing room. That far d/f+3,d+1 setup can work after this move is blocked. d/f+3,1+2 Stomach kick- Tudo Noogie mh I don't use it as often. But has got a use though, use it against characters who try to parry or reverse 1or d+1 after d/f+3. Mix it up with them sometimes. Whole move hits on CH. Safe on block. d_d/b+3 Step Shin kick l A short ranged low kick . Can be low parried . Doesn't hit grounded opponents. Mix it up with d+4 . Since d+4 cannot be parried , they'll always block it and launch Marduk .Use d/b+3 bcoz if they block it, Marduk eats some WS kicks but will not be launched . Be careful, this low can be parried. FC+3 Low spin kick L The common low kick every character has except Steve . Not safe on block, but hits grounded opponents. (f,f,f_WR)+3 Bicycle Kick M Marduk Technical Jumping move. Meaty damage. He jumps & hits grounded opponents & crushes lows. However people never use it for that purpose at least. I have not seen f,f,f, versions good use yet. Some times, this move fails to contact also, and gets whiffed. Good use for pressuring sometimes. You may also be floated if your opponent throws jabs. 3+4 - Regular VTS stance more talks on it:- d/b+3+4 Backdash VTS - Marduk's backdash. Its the best evading & spacing move in the game, according to me only, hehe. This is a movement which has to be used regulary. Though vulnerable, but still if used smartly, it can turn tides in your favour, atleast I think so. It evades much many moves if timed correctly. For instance Bryans 3,3 - 3,2,1, hwrangs' 4,4,4, strings, Heihachi's f,f,+2. After the dash you have following options which fit as the circumstances may be a)The tackle b)d/f+4 c)f+2 d)2 e)WS+3_4 a) should be used rarely coz major players never allow Craig to mount. Even the spear, i've seen sometimes getting escaped. b) d/f+4 It could be better pick compared to mount. Good use in those situations like suppose you are at a slight distance against Marshall that his WS+2 just won't connect. If he tries WS+2 he whiffs and if he goes for FC,d/f,d,d/f+3 (dragonslide)it wiffs too.Punish with d/f+4 as it fits best in this situation and opens a chance for some oki. c) f+2 - I used it sometimes for teasing people after the backdash; they come charging in and eat this move. Also after grounded opponent are getting up and you quickly do VTS+3+4,f+2 they eat this move sometimes, with the fear of f+2 and 2+4 mixups. But, nevertheless, this is not a smart choice at all, as they can interrupt him badly. d) The possibility for this move has already been mentioned. e) WS+3 is the perfect followup, though punishable on block, if you are able to make their attacks whiff with d/b+3+4. f) WS+4_1 are just for countering. If you are just playing defensive and trying to evade them, then do SS+3+4~3+4~3+4 after the backdash as the movement and the stance after it both are punishable. Also it can't be cancelled by d/f-d/b and 3+4. f+3+4 Alligator Tackle m Marduks' running headbutt Whatever you call it, can be used for pressuring. Sometimes they mistake it for a tackle and eat it. After a successful f+3+4, a run up b+1 is guaranteed, even if they tech. You can also try a ground throw if they lie there fore more fruits. A small bad thing about it is it can be evaded by SSing & a small good thing about it is it catches tech to Marduk's left. (u/b-u-u/f)+3+4 Gator Stomp M A slow ground hitting TJ move. Looks dirty, but Marduk's all about dirty games afterall. On block no body is at disadvantage.If they eat hit crouching, you have the following followups 1)f,f+1+2 2) d/f+1 juggle 3)qcb+1+2 4)d+2,4. However, stomp must hit at maxrange for this to work. 5)f,f+2 6)d/b+2 7)d+4 It also works for tech traps in 5.0 but I haven't heard of any uses still in 5.1. This move also works as a fake offense, baiting etc. SS+3+4 Sidestep VTS - Tap either side u_d for asidestep & then 3+4 to go into VTS stance. Immediate followups are slow. I myself use VTS+3. I don't know why but if u do this(SS+3+4,3) all of a sudden, they eat it. Mix it up with 2+4, d/f+4,tackle. The tackle option is not for a front attack, but if u SSed properly their attacks, u will be behind them.The tackle may turn into a spear but atleast u may be sure of mount . This is a very nice tool to avoid opponents attacks. This movement also comes from d+3+4 which is a little faster also. but doesn't work from u+3+4. Why? You know well. Don't do it blindly, you may be hit during the sidestep. SS+3+4~3+4~3+4 SS VTS cancel - It is the cancel for the sidestep VTS. It is the greatest part, IMO. In the above part Marduk was vulnerable even after the stance for some time. But cancelling it in this way is safe. It is also good to get more fruits, since the options are limited with the above. But with this you have more stuff to deal your opponent with. Safety issues are same during the ssing as the above. 4 Sideswipe kick h Marduk's magic 4. Creates minor stun on hit. Launches on Ch. A f+2+4_f+1+2 is guaranteed & easy juggle aftewards . you may also try f,f,N+1,2,3+4~3+4 followps but they are hard to land. you need to react quick & anticipate a CH, then only u can do this. Otherwise , rely on the f+2+4_f+1+2 ender. b+4 Bazooka Heel h It knocks down on hit. Nothing is guaranteed afterwards. BUT this move is no giant killer. Stick to its only usual & useful property of whiff punishment & don't look beyond. Also, it's very predictable so people usually don't block it when they know its coming. d/b+4 Leg Scissors l This move looks like they have tried to give him something like king's d/b+4. It is more unsafe on block as compared to king's one bcoz he(Craig) falls KND position. On hit, both will be grounded & nothing can be said if anything is guaranteed afterwards. On CH this move turns into " Leg Trip Takedown throw", opponent is in FCD position with Marduk at their back . More usefull near walls. Good okizeme & tackle chances are there rather in open fields. Use it from a little SSR. This move avoids highs at the end but smart opponents can low parry it and launch. Also in the initial frames , if they guessed they can throw jabs & u will be floated. Opponent grounded d/b+4 Ground Stomp L Marduk's foot stomp. He performs it when the opponent is grounded. You can try it after a successful f+3+4 , if they lie there. Also it comes out after you break a throw or opponents break em. But it is of no use in situations where throws have special break animations. Use it generally after the 1+2 break which don't have special break animations. Use it near walls . Just for telling its properties. d/f+4 Side Kick m It is a very slow mid. I think d/f+3,1 is a better option. Also d/f+4 is jab punishable. But still, it has a use. People mistake it for a d/b+3 sometimes. It works well when they are getting up from ground. d+4 Knee Slicer l Marduk's best low. It ducks under high attacks & it is unparryable. Its fast too. 14 frames & -16 on block. Good for oki also. Tracks to Marduk's right. BUT, just don't get it blocked. FC,d/f_D/F+4 Gator Sweep L A long range low that hits grounded.In fact, it is Marduk's longest range move. It KNDs on CH, & on regular hit, opens following options : - WS+4 Uninterruptible. - FC,d/f+4 - Throws The throws include JH , qcf+2, qcb+1+2, also. How ?it is explained further. Remember, these are just mixups, they are'nt guaranteed followups. That means they can be blocked & escaped( for throws) But after a CH hit, u have: - FC,d/f+4 - u/f+3+4 - FC,d+3 - Crouch cancel d/b+4 This low is one of his best. Has got much long range & tracks a bit to his right to. It also useful for punishing whiffs( from VTS of course). If u learn to use it properly, it can win u matches. f+4 Wild stomp M A mid hits grounded opponents. It has following properties: >> It is unsafe on block. ( You will eat a WS+4 ) >> It is slow >> It can be sidestepped It has frame disadvantage on hit too, that means u can't keep the pressure going with it. If your opponent knows it , he will get back to offensive mode. ===================================================================== THROWS: ===================================================================== Marduk throw game is good if not great & he is no less than king & Nina in this department. He has got two 2 double button breaks,UNCHICKENABLE airthrows, 5 single breaks, 2 crouchthrows( Though not so important), & the groundthrows. Good thing about his throw game is you'll be needing it almost every now or then in your game. Most of them also provide very good positioning. Lets see them one by one. NOTE: Sidethrows aren't going up on the list, as i don't know anything special about them. Backthrows will be discussed in brief. [F]+1+3 Rolling splash Powerbomb with a rolling a startup. Break with 1. Switches sides, wether they eat it or break it. I don't know wether any thing is guranteed afterwards or not, but you can do some mean things if they roll away. >> Dash in, f+2+4. YES, it works. >> Dash in, 3+4,1+2. Only if there is a wall nearby. [F]+2+4 Knee crusher Craig picks opponent up and slams his/her crotch on his knee, very dirty hehe. Nothing guranteed afterwards. Switches sides if broken. Break with 2. Also, it one of the most escaped throws in the game. qcf+1 Northern lights suplex Break with 1. A good throw. If u landed it , go to mount by all means. I use in case where i have blocked something which hasn't got any punishment or if I am going for simple throws as such. But given a choice, i'd like to replace it with JH always coz JH has only one chance of escaping whereas this one has 2 breaking points. qcf+2 Powerslam Breakwith 2 Same properties as qcf+1, but no replacement. That means, you have to be careful they don't break it. But I've seen it is not breaked that often as the regular 2+4 does. This throw has'nt any replacement but it can be for 2+4 in few cases. f,hcf+1 Jack hammer Break with 1 This is the one we have been talking about always. Unlike king's one it hasn't got range & speed, but very good damage & Craig's positioning after this throw is also very sweet. Good oki chances afterwards & if they lie there even for a slightest nick of time, go for the foot stomp(d/b+4), it hits them. This throw is bufferable a lot & can be setup as after: 2,1 d/f+3,1 1 1,2 1,d+2( Near walls.) SS After a run FC,d/f+4 A dash regular hit f+1+2 ( should be close hit though) WS+1 Basically any move with a forward input can buffer JH. For moves that don't have f input, just tap f after the animation ends & then hcf+1. For FC,d/f+4, after the animation just hold D/F for a split second, then hcf+1 to do JH or u may tap d/f again as soon as the move hits & then hcf+1. Be careful, if you messed up you may come up with WS+1. Same things follow for qcf+2 from FC also. You need to do hcf for that too. f,f+1+2 Atomic buster break with 1+2 Forget about king's GS. This throw is no less than that. Everything's good about it. It has double button escape, comes out from a f,f dash so good range & most importantly it JUGGLES.One of the best throws but since it comes out from a dash it has ultracrap escape timing. qcb+1+2 Backfreaker Break with 1+2 This throw doesn't require a dash so a good alternative to Atomic buster sometimes. Good damage. Good positioning after it but anythying is guranteed after it or not, i am not sure. But this throw is not escaped as much as f,f+1+2. VTS+2+4 Body slam Break with 2 Although this throw has a trickier execution or say it is hard to set, but i have seen once u landed it & your opponent tries to move away from Craig , just dash in & tap f+2+4 for a back throw again! Huge damage. This trick works with a few WS+3 juggles too. WS+3, 1, d/f+3,1,2,3+4~3+4, d/b+4 being one of them. Besides the above the opponent is prone to many good wakeup games & oki. Airthrows F+[1+3] F+[2+4] f,f+1+2 Airthrows are an important addition to Marduk's juggle game. Their strong feature too, is being, UNCHICKENABLE. Here's a quick info about them: >> The range of airthrows goes on like this: 1+3_2+4 --- Same range as Jabs. Does 17 damage. f,f+1+2 --- Longer range than the above ones & does more damage too.(25) You can always replace 1+3_2+4 with this throw in any combo but timing also should be practiced. f+1+3_f+2+4-- Same thing as the first but adding a f increases range of the enders of which f+2+4 has got the longest range. In fact, f+2+4 is the longest range throw in Marduk's arsenal. f+1+3 can be replaced with f+2+4 but f+2+4 cannot be replaced with f+1+3 in certain situtations. To sum up, the range of airthrows goes on like this: 1+3_2+4 ------ Least f,f+1+2 ------ Medium f+1+3_f+2+4--- Long Other than this: 1+3 has got strongest wakeup games compared to others. Opponent is thrown into FCD position from where you have many setups. See Pokes & Mixups sec. 2+4 just looks cool. The opponent is thrown far away from any guaranteed wakeup games. f,f+1+2 also isn't good in that department. Opponent lies in the SLD position from where you can't expect any major strategy. d+1+3_d+2+4 Break 1_2 They are regular crouch throws . They are guaranteed after a low parry, if d/f+1 does'nt reach properly. Also guaranteed after they tech to their right after a wall splat or wall combo. Just ss along with them & throw out anyone of your choice. These throws look cool but for the most part u can replace them with better moves. d/b+1+3_d/b+2+4. Break 1_2 His ground throws have many variants . Some of them form a strong part of his combos. I know each one has a different name ,but i don't bother listing them. These throws also catch siderolling opponents. > Any ground grab from KND ,SLD,PLD,or FCD, tosses them in the air . The throw itself is very weak & can be tech rolled. That is why Marduk players juggle them for more damage . These throws are breakable too. > Opponents position for this needs to be face down & sideways . Marduk kicks them & they are thrown away far. > Oppoents position for this has to be face up & sideways. Marduk throws a punch & mounts.The chances for these 2throws to land are very rare but i haven't seen any one of them getting escaped as often . A few words about backthrows. Whenever u get a chance to do a backthrow go for the 2+4(Rolling splash), even though it does less damage than 1+3 coz you get some good chances for wakeup games, i myself use it & after a succesful 2+4 i do a d/b+4, they eat it nearly all the times. You can also land a d/f+3,d+1 if they getup wrong. Since backthrows aren't a thing that will happen every now & then, you can give it a try for d/b+4, less chances are they will escape it. Marduk's reversals b+1+2- reverses all high attacks b+3+4- reverses all mid attacks These doesn't work on head butts,knees, elbows, shoulder push etc. These work only on punches & kicks. Greatest thing about them is they're unchickenable. Go for the Marduk's reversals only on the following conditions : > See what u are trying to reverse, can be reversed. It's dead obvious, but sometimes people don't understand. > See that the move you are trying to reverse is punishale on block or can be avoided by Ssing or making it whiff or not. If you can punish a move after blockingor anything more badly, then don't go for the reversal. e.g._ Laws 4,u/f+3, this move is safe on block but can be SSR. So reversing here won't be worth the effort. > See that your attempt to do a reversal is successful, or it doesn't whiffs. Be sure about it e.g; Marshall's f+1+2, Bryan's b+1 etc are reversible but if you messed up , they will give you what you deserve. > Here's a situation: Your tackle is escaped by DevilJin, he throws out WS+1,2(I don't know its name). Do not try to reverse the 2nd hit. I don't why but i've never been able to do it. Don't try to do this on similar strings.e.g., Kaz- WS+1,2, Julia's 1,1,1 & moves like that. However, this is not a problem with other chars. like king, Paul, Nina etc. > Another situation: You're playing against Law. He throws Junkyard combo ( b+2,3,4) for which you weren't ready & you blocked the 3: DO NOT try to reverse the 4 ender. You'll be launched again. Same applies to Lei's 4~4,3,3 & similar stuff. It's not impossible BUT hard. So, moral of the discussion is if you see someone annoying you with some unusual moves, don't let it unpunished, wether by blocking them, by making them whiffed or by reversing. Choose the option which does maximum damage according to the situation. Marduk's tenstrings They are two of them , pretty bad , not much utility , they can be easily reversed, parried etc. in between. Only good thing about them the kick ender juggles till the 3rd last move. Also i think the 2nd tenhit is combo from behind but i'm not sure...i leave it to readers to find it themselves. The starting jabs af the strings themselves are good to stop there as they can be used for jab punishment or countering SOMETIMES. Otherwise use them very rarely. ==================================================================== VALE TUDO STYLE: STANCE & MOVES ==================================================================== The stance itself is a ducking animation & goes under highs. Craig is vulnerable in the initial frames of the stance, but after going into it you can remain there for indefinite period if you don't do anything. Since there are certain moves which cannot be done from a d/b+3+4, hence they are mentioned with a *. It means you cannot do this move from a d/b+3+4. You can go to the VTS stance in the following ways: 3+4 d/b+3+4_SS either side SS+3+4 either side During the tackle SS either side before 3 steps. From a VTS stance you can do: 3+4* VTS cancel - It is the cancel for the above stance.Should be done immidiately after 3+4 (3+4~3+4). During the initial frames of getting into stance, Marduk remains vulnerable for any attacks but if you cancel it in this way you are totally safe. Its more a bait for reversals & turtule block-punishing. 1+2 Tackle Break with 1+2 The "DREADED" tackle. This is the move Marduk's known for. If there is any reason Craig could be cheap for, this is it. This is a move that's abused every now & then in Craig's game. If the opponent is turtuling throw it out & see them paying for it dearly, however, the sense to be applied behind it is not to throw it out whenever you feel but when the opportunity says it. This move is good for the following reasons: >> Can only be escaped, can't reversed. :) >> Guaranteed mount from back. >> Full tracking upclose. >> Also works as a okizeme tool. >> You can also ss either side before 3 steps by tapping u_d to get back to VTS stance or SS+3+4~3+4~+3+4 to get back to normal position safely. If tackle is done from a distance it turns into spear where Marduk pounces over the opponent without that " Grab & Slam " animation. If tackle is successful, you get to the mount positon from where you can do: 1, 1+3, 2~1 ----- Break with 2 2, 2+4, 1~2 ----- Break with 1 1+2_3+4 ----- Press nothing or anything except 1 or 2. You may come to hear about people who are good at escaping mount. The reason this happens, they are good at reading Craig's shoulders. The defense against them is to mix the pro mount followups with 1~2_2~1. Yes, they may be good breaking those left & right combinations but this fake one works well at high levels. Mixing these two with the other options makes the opponent sweat with the subsequent no. of mounts. Remember, however, good they may be, if you mixup all the options well you yourself increase the chances you will have success with the mount. Saying it all on paper is easy, but implenting it in the games is the real thing. Keep practicing it, you yourself will understand the timing for it. WS_VTS+1 Health Tap m A mid which comes out reasonable fast . Marduk throws out his left hand whch is fast but not strong. Tracks to Marduk's left & is a good setup for JH. This move looks to have limited uses but really isn't that bad. It stops any rushing game in its tracks, mostly after evading an attack with d/b+3+4. Plus it can be a safe bait for reversals on hit & block. Its a move for the people who want to play Craig extra safe. Tracks to Marduk's left. WS_VTS+2 Tornado Chop h Its high & a litle slow. Tracks both sides. A b+1 is guaranteed after it hits.Its best to use after evading any attack with SS+3+4. More possibilities to use it are after a d/b+3+4 (Backdash) when u see Bryan,s 3,2,1 or Devil's b,f+2,1,2 of which the 1st hit whiffed or anything like that. Just to give an idea. VTS,f+2 Power Straight m A moderate fast mid from VTS. It KNDs on hit. I give it a little preference over VTS+3_4 bcoz 1> VTS+3 is unsafe on block, it is not. 2> VTS,f+2 has a better range than VTS+4 . But the bad news- it is slower than both the above. WS_VTS+3 Raid Kick m Say it Marduk's launcher from WS as nearly every character has. It launches awkwardly & has crappy combos afterwards. Good in the sense it has got nearly as much range as Jin's WS+2 & is much used after evading an attack with d/b+3+4 or SS+3+4 too. Bad thing it is too slow(18frames)so you won't be able to launch with it after blocking a low or ducking throws every time & it isn't guaranteed even after Law's d/b+4, Nina's WTF, Roger's SS+4 etc. They have to be dealt the hard way.i.e, f,f+1 or u/f,N+4. This move has limited uses as a WS launcher & more for baiting purposes. Also note if u landed it on a BT opponent , u can follow with d/f+1 combos. WS_VTS+4 Kong Knee m The data for this move says it is 13 frames, so it is a OK fast. But compared to other characters, it is a bit slower e.g.King's one is 11 only. It KNDs on hit( with no strong followps) & stuns on CH which give u three options afterwards: > f+4 > A groundthrow ( Breakable) > d/b+4 It is short ranged mid so be carefull, don't get this whiffed. Also, it has no tracking ability. u_d Sidestep The same thing as you do SS+3+4. df+4 Its FC,d,d/f+4 starting from VTS stance also. d+4 The generic high crush low kick everyone has, not safe. d+1+3_d+2+4 The regular crouch throws. d+3 May be used after evading moves with d/b+3+4 , when Craig's back is near walls, sounds stupid but can be handy sometimes. I am not kidding! Can say it a whiff punishment, lol. u/f_u_u/b+3+4 From the stance, this move works more as a fake offense & invites opponents to commit some mistakes. Other wise properties are the same as the regular ones. d/b+1+3_d/b+2+4 It can also can be done from a VTS. I've seen when they break the mount & I do the tackle & then SS while they stay there on the ground, i landed this ground grab on them. It worked for me sometimes BUT only sometimes. VTS d/f(low parry)* Although the above one works sometimes inspite of the fact they cankick marduk & get away from the situation. For that, u need to condition them with a VTS d/f low parry & again with some fake offense. This low parry works as the regular low parry. d/f_d/b* Stance cancel. The VTS stance can be cancelled in this way also. That's all i know about Marduk's moves. If you know something other than this, please drop me a mail. It will be put here. ====================================================================== THE ESSENCE OF MARDUK: ====================================================================== This is a quick reminder of Marduk's moves as when to use to get best results: Poking moves( Better use when turtuling ): ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1,d+2: Best to use, stops any high mid guessing game. Also avoids lows sometimes. d/b+1: High crush, short range. d+4 : Although punishable, best low since it avoids highs, fast & unparryable. f,f+2: Fast & irreversible. Slice of speed in Marduk's game. 1+2 : Frames on normal hit & followups on CH. Easy to use. d/b+2: Force crouch on hit & block. d+2,4: Irreversible & safe. Medium speed. Spacing or Evading moves: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ d/b+3+4: Best spacing tool in the game. Highly abusable d/b+1+2: Better to use after ssing to weaker sides of opponents. SS+3+4 : Best time to use VTS moves if its done well. SS+3+4~3+4~3+4 : Craig's best sidestepping move. Safe too. CH catchers: ~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1+2 : Fast & safe on block. 4 : Magic 4. 40+ on CH. Safe. d/b+2 : Got extra tick damage on CH. Better to use mixups after it. f+2 : Medium speed but combos breakable on CH. d/f+3,d+1: Massive damage on CH, but jab punishable. (d+2),4 : Safe & irreversible. Nice combos. d,d/f+4 : Good damage for a low, highly risky. f+3 : Safe but slow. CH(1,2),f+1 : Mostly a pressuring tool, least used for CH hunting. Natural Combos: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1,2 1,d+2 2,1 d+2,4 d/f+3,1,2 d/f+3,1,d+2 d+1, d/b+1 f+2, 1 : On BT opponent only. Whiff Punishment: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ f,f+2 : Close range. b+4 : Close range, only if window is big. 3+4~4 : Close range, after ducking jabs & throws. 3+4~3 : Mid range, better after ssing. d/b+1+2: Mostly after ssing. 3+4,2 : Mostly after evading their attacks with d/b+3+4 or after SS+3+4. f+1+2 : Long range. d,d/f+4: Long range, mostly after evading their attacks with d/b+3+4. f,f+1 : Mostly after backdashing their wakeup kicks. d/f+1 : Close range. Tackle itself. Block punishment: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For this section i'll list the moves in the following manner: Moves Minimum frames required for this move Move's range. to hit the opponent. 2,1 -10 Close 1,d+2 -10 Close 1,2 -10 Close f,f+2 -12--14 Close--Mid 4 -13--14 Close f+1+2 -15 Long d/f+1 -16 Close--Mid b+4 -18 Mid d+1+2 -19 Mid f,f+1 -20 Mid Low block punishment: WS+1+2 -11 Close WS+1_4 -13 Mid WS+3 -18 Mid d,d/f+4 -19 Long ==================================================================== STRATEGIES: WHAT IS MARDUK'S STYLE? ==================================================================== This is the most difficult part to describe. Marduk's game is very versatile. It is mostly centered around turtuling, spacing & baiting. When you play him, most of the time your opponent starts attacking, forcing you to go into the shell, and it is here that you have to show some skills & get some respect for Craig. Before starting it can i expect that: >> You know your combos well, do not try what you can't land consistently. Use only those with which you are comfortable. >> Learn to punish your opponent's move as badly as you can. Seriously, it can be key to victory sometimes. >> We know Craig is going to have tough time against most of the tekken cast, but you should also not make any stupid mistakes yourselves. If the above things are fine with you, this section can help you better, although its just for the start. I know that there's always a possibility of better things to do but i also hold my own. Let's start this topic with the move that has made Craig so famous in the game. >> Tackle --- 3+4,1+2 The most basic form. Round starts & throw it out. What'll happen? Probably your opponent will eat it guessing about the mount or he will mash buttons to get his end out of there. These are the most basic form of possibilities that will happen if you haven't played Craig before or if your opponent hasn't against him much. Time passes, and you are playing Marduk more frequently now & your opponent is getting smarter, so you are getting more predictable about tackle. Whenever you get into the stance, your opponent doesn't mash buttons anymore but tries to launch you everytime he sees you in it. So where's the mistake? Shall we stop using this move. NOOOOOOOo.....just change your plans a bit. Here's how? Now don't go into stance directly.i.e., use ss+3+4 or d/b+3+4 and then throw it out. What happened? Opponent was surprised for a while? He ate it again. He's gone mad now & becomes even more aggressive & starts hunting for the VTS stance & starts dancing around him. You are getting into the shell now. Your opponent has gone totally mad now. Attacking more more fastly & giving you less chances to think. Now its time we should bring our evading & spacing tools into action. Start doing d/b+3+4 now, you ran away from him for a while, getting some chance to breathe. Your enemy sees this and rushes in. Here's what you can possibly do: >> Throw out 1 or 4. It will stop them most of the time, better throw 1 only coz 4 is horrible on whiff & can be ssed either side. If 1 hits it gives you frames!!! >> SS immidiately after watching their step to their weaker side & do 3+4~3+4~3+4. I emphasize not going back to stance as you can be hit during the initial frames of the stance, rather cancelling it in this way gives you a chance to read the weak spot in their attacks. >> If you are good & timed d/b+3+4 in such a way that you just evaded their move with it, just go for 3 or d/f+4 depending your distance from your opponent. Either you launched them or you got frames!! >> If you just backdashed without any plans, still no worries. Throw the tackle again!!. WHAT? I don't want to get launched anymore...No, you won't be. The purpose is different now. Throw the tackle & before 3 steps just ss either side & do SS VTS cancel( From now onwards SS+3+4~3+4~3+4 will be referred as SS VTS Cancel). You're safe.You know this & your opponent doesn't. He throws a stupid move to launch you which you can: * Either block & punish. * Reverse it if its safe. Though it will happen when you have understood their style using the above mixups well. Now its time for your opponent to go into the shell now...no, i shouldn't say it like this. I'd preferably say he's become more careful with his attacks now & chooses his attacks wisely. He doesn't want to get his attacks reversed, so he's careful about it but he has reduced the speed of his attacks. Time for you to start dancing around him. Hehehe... Start with SS+3+4,3. If they haven't seen this before i'm sure they'll eat it. Combine that with d/f+4_1. They aren't attacking yet. Just trying to understand your style. Now go for some direct offense. Use jabs, d+4, pokes, throws etc & keep combining them with 3+4,1+2 from time & time. They sweat again. SS again & do SS+3+4, 1+2.Hehehe... They weren't ready for this & ate it again. They become crazy now...totally braindead. They're lost with their attacks. They're just abusing it. Get back to shell again & see what's coming. By this time you've understood their style too. Lets talk about some stategies after you had sucess with the mount. Lets start with 1+3. After this hits you stand on their left with their belly towards you. From here you can try : A d/b+3 as a safe low. A d+4 is also good, it hits them with their back turned if they tried to roll away. Also, it stops any wakeup kicks etc. A d+1 to retain pressure, but can be beaten by the wakeup kicks. The list is too long.....anything that works for you is fine. These moves work after successful 1+2,3+4 also. 2+4 After you had success with this Marduk stands in front of the opponent's legs. Here, most chances are your opponent will getup & block anything you throw in. I myself like using u/f+3+4 as on block it doesn't give frames & is a good bait for reversals too. There are too many options you may use. Keep playing & you'll understand what & when to use. 2~1, 1~2 These are mostly used followups since they are used much in high level matches. Since experts see the 1+3, 2+4 easily this is somewhat hard to guess. After 1_2~1 you stand just next to them on their right side ,their belly towards you. Similarly with 2,1~2 you're on their left. After these you can try d/f+2, almost unstoppable if not guaranteed since it is fast & can't be interrupted with wakeup kicks & if they try to roll away they'll be eating this BT! Even safe if whiffed. Condition them with it & then go for some mixups such as: d/b+4-- Most of the time they'll lay there on there on the ground expecting d/f+2. d+1 -- They know they can't interrupt d/f+2, so they'll getup immediately to block it & it's time to throw this out. They block it & most of the time they don't attack afterwards so giving you a chance for some throw or low guessing games. SOME MORE INFO: During tackle you'll only be launched if you've just started to run for it. If tackle is about to end & Craig's hit during that time, he won't be launched. If you throw a tackle & your opponent breaks it, try to watch what he does. If he tries to retaliate, you can almost every time reverse his moves.e.g., Tackle(Escaped)--- For the first time your opponent will try to go safe & will throw a WS+4 which is easily reversible. Next time when you do it he'll make a second guess & think what to do. Here's the chance for you. Do some d+4, d+1+2, tackle etc to keep them on their toes . So you're still dishing some damage out of the opportunity. You may say it is also obvious that he might throw a low punch, a throw etc. Yes, he can. That's why i'm saying keep trying it now & then to get a feel of their style. But don't complain you were launched when you made the next attempt as on this issue i'm also assuming that you're careful with your getting into the stance. Now lets assume you've mounted them. They break the followups. What happened? Craig dismounted. They'd either stay there for a moment or roll back. So we'd start with the first possibilty: >> They're staying there. You throw a b+1. They either standup quickly & block it or they do a sideroll & then getup. No results. You try to hit them with a low but they block that too. Sob... Do some fake offense. Start a tackle from a d/b+3+4. Do the sidestep from the tackle & do tackle again till you reach close to them & then immediately do SS VTS cancel. They thought you're close so they'll immediately getup & throw some kicks on you which you can block. They're screwed. >> Next time they are a bit careful now so they stand immediately when they see the same thing repeating. Its most likely to happen like this: you did d/b+3+4,1+2---(Running) SS VTS, 1+2... They stand up immediately rush towards you but you cancelled it again. They guessed wrong 2nd time & throw something which you can still deal with. These tricks work most of the time if they try to backroll too. Try to mix these in this situations & you'll yourself see it working here too. On the same topic, ssing right during tackle avoids their wakeup kicks most of the time & chances are you'll get a BT mount!!. Just suppose you ssed during tackle and they throwed the kicks before you cancelled the SS VTS. You'll still evade them. The Tackle also works as a oki tool. Catches backrollers.e.g., after a 1+3 airthrow, they try to roll away, just dash in a bit then 3+4,1+2. You'll BT mount them. This works after a 1+3 front throw also sometimes. Here's a quick list of the situations where tackle can be used as oki also: 1+3 airthrow --- VTS 2+4 --- 1+3 --- VTS+2 --- CH d,d/f+4 --- If they break tackle & roll back --- * qcf+1 --- CH (1,2),f+1 --- This should give enough idea. Tackle works better after these if there's a wall nearby. For * to work, a wall is a must. However, the tackle can be escaped in certain situations. 3+4~3 & 3+4~4: FASTER WAY TO DO WS MOVES Did you knew about 3+4~3 & 3+4~4? Well, most of you certainly would be knowing. It is a faster way to do WS moves. The 3+4~3 has the use in the case of tech traps whereas 3+4~4 is used for offense purposes. First of all how to do it. Its not complicated. As the command implies, you have to do it as fast as you can. The faster you do it, the better you've learnt it. The best way to check wether you've learnt it or not is by trying this combo: u/f+4, 3+4~4. If you're able to do it, you've learnt it a bit. The less you see the stance animation, the better you're doing it. 3+4~4: is useful for offense purposes, CH hunting. If you mastered this, you'll certainly have an edge in your offense game. Since it is 13 frames its good for practicing. Also it is useful for punishing close whiffs.Keep practicing. 3+4~3: It has its use in various tech traps situations, big whiffs etc. Also used to punish a move which has got slow recovery after backdashing it. However, these moves aren't too practical. Most players do not incorporate these in their matches. Keep practicing them & use them only when you are too confident with Craig. You can still play good if haven't mastered them but they are a bonus skill which can be seen in matches. OTHERS: d/b+1+2 is also helpful after quickrolling. Just getup from the ground ss to the side you tech(preferably to your right), then bring it out. It works sometimes. Do it as: Quickroll to right--SSR,d/b+1+2. ***** Say you did a f,f+2. They ate it but are not doing some quick wakeup strategies.i.e., they aren't quickrolling, backrolling etc. You didn't knew that & you throwed a f+3+4 & it whiffed. They thought they got a chance & tried to do wakeup kicks which could be >> A low which should be parried. >> A mid which shouldn't be reversed.WHAT? shouldn't be reversed? Yes, just block it & go for the d/f+1. Even it launches at max range you can still combo them nicely with: d/f+1, 1,2,3+4~3+4, 1,2,3+4~3+4, f,f+1+2. Still good damage. Better than the damage you're going to get from the reversal. Use d/b+3+4,SS games every now & then. They save Marduk's ass in most situations. Only don't use it when you're getting cornered. Use SS+3+4 & more stuff according to situations. The stuff that helps you more when you're back is near walls: 1,d+2 d/b+1 Reversals SS+3+4 games opposite to walls. These are the only friends of yours in these situations as chances are they'd backdash your most possibilities & punish you. More i'll add as ideas come to mind. Also see pokes & mixups section. :) =================================================================== POKES & MIXUPS: =================================================================== Saying Marduk is a turtule it doesn't mean that he cannot poke.Given a chance he can poke to a degree which is above many others. First of all here's a list of moves that come to mind when switching to offense with him. : 1,d+2 : d+4 : d/b+2 : 1+2 : Tackle itself. : Throws. That is only for an idea, these things come to mind when we try to counter. But if we try to see in depth, Marduk too has got many options to be called as his mixups.In the following list unless i mention assume the moves to be hitting them.If i say a move is blocked i'll put a [B] after that particular move. I've made the list containing the only moves that work for me, but i'm pretty sure they will work for you too if you haven't played Marduk yet or if you haven't used them in matches. The list is like this Any move=( Equal to shows options we're going to have after the move hits or is blocked.)Mixups which are combined together.e.g., f,f+1_2. The sense here is to throw out f,f+2 as much as you can till they duck , then when they become predictable throw a f,f+1. Since f,f+2 is fast, safe on block, & UNREVERSIBLE, you can abuse it to a level.Here these moves are grouped coz they look more appropriate to use after a dash. You can yourself understand by looking at the groups. So, here we have them... STANDARD ONES. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1,d+2= d/b+3_d/f+3,1,2 f,f+1+2_f,f+2_f,f+1 d/b+2 qcf+1_2, qcb+1+2 or any throw that works for u.(Only when their back is near walls) 2,1= qcf+1_2_qcb+1+2 1+2_d/b+2 d+1 d/b+3_d/f+3,1,2 d+1+2_d/b+1+2(It becomes high crush after a +5 frame adv.If they try to retaliate with jabs after predicting your throws. d/b+1+2 also works the same.Use it less often) 1,2= f,f+1+2_f,f+2_f,f+1 d/b+3_d/f+3,1,2 3+4,1+2 3+4,d+4 d+1 [B] or hit= d/b+1(After hitting them with d+1,guaranteed) d/b+2(Uninterruptible) Throws(qcf+1_2,qcb+1+2 or anything.) Any low CH d/b+2= d/b+1(Guaranteed) d+4_d/b+3 Tackle Throws f+2= 1_d+1 Throws d/b+3 4= d/b+3_d+4 Tackle Throws( Only if their back is near walls) d/f+3,1= 2_d+2 ( I generally emphasize not going for 2_d+2 bcoz of frame advantage ) Throws SS+3+4,3_SS+3+4~3+4~3+4 or anything after they try to retaliate after predicting your throws. Works most of the time. 2,3+4~1+2 ( For fun...) d/b+3_d/f+3,1,2 FC,d/f+4= WS+4 ( Uninterruptible ) Another d,d/f+4 WS+3 Throws( Including qcf+1_2, qcb+1+2,JH) NOTE: In above throws you can replace qcf+1 with JH for guaranteed damage & more oki opportunities. OTHERS: ~~~~~~~~ These mainly include the ones that knock them down. The main emphasis of this section is to train them to eat the guaranteed followups then going for the mixups next time. Also, i won't mention the condition for a same mixup everytime. You'll understand yourself as you'll see. Remember, these are ONLY mixups, won't work everytime. CH d,d/f+4= CC, d/b+4 (Guaranteed) d/f+3,d+1 (If they try to get up in a panic.) 3+4,1+2 (If they try to roll away. You'll land a BT mount most of the time.) d+1 (If they try to get up in a panic. I don't need to tell what you should do next.) dash f+2+4(If they try to roll away.) 1+3 airthrow= d/f+3,d+1 d/b+4 (Works mostly near walls, i don't know wether it will work only there.) dash 3+4,1+2 ( You'd land a BT mount most of the time. Only if they try to roll away.) dash 3+4,d/f+4( Same as above.) dash f+2+4 ( Only if they try to roll away.) qcf+1= ( I'm not putting the guaranteed mount followup after this.) f,f+3+4 ( Only if they try to roll away from Marduk. Take it as guaranteed. Really works. Its still safe to try it once, even if they stay there or roll sideways you won't recieve any wakeup hit as guaranteed.) dash 3+4,1+2 ( Same as above execpt the safety issue. You know how it feels when a tackle whiffs.... hehe.) dash f+2+4 ( Unconfirmed ) d/f+3,d+1 CHd/b+4= f+2+4 f,f+3+4 ( Only against Marduk.) dash 3+4,1+2 ( Only against Marduk.) 1+3_F+1+3= dash 3+4,1+2 ( Only if they try to roll away, better if they roll towards walls. ) b+1 ( Unconfirmed, tried it against Asuka & worked for me.) d/f+3,d+1 ( Only if Marduk's back is near walls.) dash f+2+4 ( Only if they try to roll away.) MISC. ~~~~~~ These only give you an idea about how a move has most chances to work. Don't try them too often or you'll be predictable. * After you are getting up & teching to your right : SSR, d/b+1+2 * SS+3+4,3 Works mostly if u haven't used it before. Use it in every 2-3 rounds to not getting predictable. I don't understand why but they eat it nearly most of the time. You can use it even if you really ssed them, the combos still work fine. From back use any d/f+1 combo after launching them with it. NEVER try to use ss+3+4,4 , you will be whiffed MOST of the time. Instead you can use 1 after ssing if you want to go safe. * If they turtule too much, go for a little offense: d+4, d+4, d+4_d+1+2 I assure you it works . Mostly when there is only little time left OR You have only little health left. You see, you have nothing to lose from here.Either you'll eat jabs or you'll be launched, either way you're going to lose, then why not try it out? ===================================================================== COMBOS: ===================================================================== What a fighter is without his proper set of combos? So here we have them. Most of the combos have been taken from the TZ forums--Craig combo thread. Apart from these others have been put from various vids which i saw. Most of them are self explanatory besides a few which have a spcial note besides them. Other than that for combos where ?? is mentioned, means damage is unknown at the moment, will be fixed soon. They are like: Juggle starter = juggles damage Notes if any. In the following combos 3+4~3+4 will be referred as: VTSc f,f+1+2 = d/f+3,1,2, VTSc, d/f+3,1,2, VTSc, b+1 : 78 = d/f+3,1,2, VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, b+1 : 78 = SSR_SSL d/f+3,1,2, VTSc, 2,d+1+2 : 69 (1) = SSL d/f+3,1,2, VTSc, 1,2,f+1 : 70 = f,f,N, d/f+3,1, d/f+3,d+1, b+1 : 69 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2, b+1 : 66 (2) = f,f~N+3+4,1, d/f+3,1,2,f+1 : 66 = f,f~N, d/f+3,1, d+2,4 : 64 = d/f+3,d+1, 2, b+1 : 63 = SSR d/f+3,1,2, VTSc, d/b+4 : 62 = (2), 1,3,1,2,1,4 : 58 = f,f+1,2 : 56 (1) Easier from SSR (2) Works before or after they bounce off the ground. d/b+1+3_d/b+2+4 = U/F,4, 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 60 (3) = U/F,4, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 60 (3) = U/F,4, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 51 = U/F,4, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f+1+3 : 45 = f,f,N+2, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 59 = df+3,d+1, ff+1+2 : 43 = 2, df+3,1, f+2,1 : 42 = UF,4, 1, f+2,1 : 42 (3) Ground throw must hit opponents feet. f,f+1 = 4, f,f,N+1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 78 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 76 (4) = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 73 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1, f,f+1+2 : 70 (4) = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1, f+2,1 : 67 (4) = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f+2+4 : 68 = d/f+3,d+1, f,f+1+2 : 64 = d/f+3,d+1, 1, f+2,1 : 64 (4) Slightly delay d/f+3 to avoid whiffing the 2. d/f+1 = 1,2,VTSc, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 68 = 2, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 66 = 2_1, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 61_57 = 2, d/f+3,1, f,f+1+2 : 60 = 2, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f,f+1+2 : 60 = 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 59 = 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f+2+4 : 54 = 2, d/f+3,1, f+2,1 : 57 WS_VTS+3 = 1, 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, b+1 : 58 = 1, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1, b+1_d,d/f+4 : 52 = 1, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, d/b+4 : 51 = 1, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, d+4 : 48 = 1, d/f+3,1,2, b+1 : 49 = 1, d/f+3,d+1,2 : 47 = 1, d/f+3,1, d+1 : 43 CH d/f+3,d+1 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTsc, f,f+1+2 : 88 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 85 = d/f+3,1,2,VTsc, 1, f,f+1+2 : 82 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f+2+4 : 80 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1, f+2,1 : 79 = d/f+3,d+1, f,f+1+2 : 76 = d/f+3,d+1, f,f+1+2 : 76 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1, b+4 : 72 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1, d/b+1+2 : 71 CH 1+2 = f+1+2 : 21 = f,f+2 : 21 = d+4 : 16 = f+1+3_2+4 : 35 (5) (5) f+1+3 works only when Craig is on right side. u/f+1+2 = d/b+1+2 : 49 = f,f+1,2 : 47 = d/f+2, d+4 : 38 = d/f+1+2 : 37 = f+4 : 33 Vs Jack, Kuma/Panda, Marduk, King follow with d/f+3,1_d/f+3,d+1 combos. d/f+3,1_d/f+3,d+1 must be delayed against Marduk & King. d+1+2 = 1,2,VTSc, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 77 = 2, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 75 = 2_1, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1, f+2+4 : 70_66 = 2, d/f+3,1, f,f+1+2 : 69 = 2, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f,f+1+2 : 69 = 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 68 = 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f+2+4 : 63 = 2, d/f+3,1, f+2,1 : 66 d/b+1+2 NOTE: SSL is not always necessary. = U/F+4, f,f,N+1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 88 = SSL,4, f,f,N+1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 85 = u/f+1+2, 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 85 (6) = SSL, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 83 = u/f+4, 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 83 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 80 = U/F+4, f,f,N+1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 79 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, d/f+3, 1, f+2+4 : 78 = SSL, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, 1+3_2+4 : 75 = SSL, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1, f+2,1 : 74 = U/F+4, d/f+3,1, f+2+4 : 74 = U/F+4, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f+1+3_2+4 : 74 = SSL, d/f+3,1,2, f,f+1+2 : 74 = SSL, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 2, f+2+4 : 72 = UF+4, df+3,d+1,2 : 70 (7) (6) d/b+1+2 must hit at max range. (7) Reliable if opponent is launched off-axis CH f+3 = 4, f,f,N+1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 89 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 87 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 2, f,f+1+2 : 84 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, 1+3_2+4 : 79 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 2, f+2+4 : 76 = d/f+3,1, d/f+3, 1, f+2+4 : 76 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1, f+1+2 : 73 CH 4 = f+2+4 : 41 = f+1+2 : 38 CH (1,2),f+1 = db+1+3_2+4 :62~85 = db+4 : 47 (8) = uf+3+4 : 46 = FC df+4 : 44 (9) (8) Slightly delay db+4 to get max damage, otherwise damage is reduced to 40. (9) Trips opponent if they attempt to back roll. WS 2 or VTS 2 = FC df+4 : 47 (10) = b+1 : 46 (11) (10) Does 41 damage if opponent tries to move. (11) Does 40 damage if opponent tries to move. f+3+4 (Opponent can tech by tapping forwards right after being hit) = dash in, db+1+3_2+4 : 86~72 = dash in, uf+3+4 : 56 = b+1 : 53 b+1 will still hit even if they try to tech. Dash a little to ensure it reaches. CH FC df+4 = crouch cancel, db+4 : 37_44 = FC df+4 : 35_41 u/f+4 = d/b+4 : 33 = 3+4~4 : ?? CH (d+2),4 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 80 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 77 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f+2+4 : 72 CH WS_VTS+4 =d/b+1+3_2+4 ( Breakable) : 76~62 = d/b+4 : 40 = f+4 : 37 CH f+2 = db+1+3_2+4 : 54 = sidestep left, db+1+3_2+4 : 75~61 = db+4 : 46 (f+2), 1 = db+1+3_2+4 : 76~62 = df+3,1, d+2,4 : 59 = sidestep right, db+1+3_2+4 : 55 = df+3,d+1,2 : 53 = ff+1,2 : 51 = db+4 : 47 CH b+2 = df+3,1, ff+2 : 53 = df+3,1,2,3+4, VTS 4 : 59 = df+3,d+1,2 : 56 Wall combos: = db+1+3_2+4 : 60~37 = 1,2,3 : 26 = d+2,4 : 23 = b+4 : 22 = d+1 : 13 = d/f+3,1,2,3 : 39 (12) = Power wall hit d/f+3,1,2,3 : 39 (12) On Marduk, Jack, Kuma/Panda & King only. Power wall hit includes: f,f+1(whiff), 2_(2), f,f+2, VTS,f+2, SS+2, 3, f+3+4, b+4. Any launch at the wall (ff+1, df+1, d+1+2, CH f+3, CH df+3,d+1, WS 3, uf,N+4) = 4, db+1+3_2+4 : 75~52 = 2, db+1+3_2+4 : 69~46 = 4, 1,2,3 (41) <-Does not work after d+1+2; character-specific after df+1 = 2, 1,2,3 : 35 = 2, d+2,4 : 32 Medium launch or better at the wall (ff+1, CH f+3, CH df+3,d+1, WS 3, uf,N+4) = 1,2, 1,2,3 : 40 = 1,2, d+2,4 : 37 = 1,2,f+1 : 29 High launch or better at the wall (ff+1, CH df+3,d+1, uf,N+4) = df+3,1,2,3 : 39 = df+3,1+2 (33) <-Does not work after CH df+3,d+1 ff+1 only = 3, db+1+3_2+4 : 80~57 = df+3,1, db+1+3_2+4 : 78~55 = 1,2,3,1+2 : 45 = df+3,1, 1,2,3 : 44 = uf+1+2, db+1+2 : 43 = uf+1+2, 1,2,3 : 41 ==================================================================== MARDUK SPECIAL: ==================================================================== This section includes combos that work on Marduk. However, there are some which can work on Jack too. The ones i know i've mentioned, others i'm not sure wether they work on Jack or not. Give some time & it'll be fixed too. f,f+1_CH d/f+3,d+1_CH f+3_d/b+1+2: = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f+2+4 : 77_89_88_84 Works both on Craig & Jack. d+1+2 = 2, d/f+3,d+1, f,f+1+2 : 72 = 1,2,VTSc, d/f+3,d+1, f,f+1+2 : 74 Works both on Craig & Jack. These combos work from d/f+1 also. d/f+1 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, d/f+,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 77 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 70 For the first one d/f+1 must hit from mid to max range. For the 2nd do a brief SSR to avoid whiffing d/f+3. 2nd one works both on Craig & Jack. f,f+1 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 82 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 85 2nd one requires brief SSR before f,f+1. CH d/f+3,d+1 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 94 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, d/f+,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 97 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, d/f+3,1,(2),VTSc, b+1: 87 d/b+1+2 = U/F+4, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 88 Works on Jack, Marduk & GANRYU!!. = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 92 = d/b+1+2, f+3, 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 : 89 * * d/b+1+2 must be done from max range to make f+3 hit properly. Works on both Criag & Jack. SSL (f+2),1 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+1+2 :89 These combos require some serious practice. As most of these aren't easy to land to so my advise is to practice the normal ones first & when you are comfortable with them then only go for these special ones. ====================================================================== OKIZEME: ====================================================================== First of all okizeme. Craig has got them, they're good but not too fancy as Ling or Nina. These bitches are the stars in this department. You can't expect death just from an oki!! That being said, it doesn't mean Craig's too low in this list. He's got his own reasons to fear him. Here's a list of moves which work as a oki tool for him in various situations with their reasons: >> 3+4,1+2 : Craig's ultimate cheese. Its beastly when used as an oki. Not easily escaped at this moment. Best used when opponent is rolling towards walls from FCD or PLD position.Also tracks quickroll sometimes & turns into spear, but can be escaped at that particular instant. Use it & you'll understand the timing for it. >> d+4 : Simply, the 2nd best move after tackle when it comes to oki purposes. Works in most situations like after successful mount, certain backrolls ( Remember, it doesn't work if they rollaway from FCD.), after f,f+1+2 airthrow etc. Its safe even if whiffs i.e., if they anticipated it & did no movement at all. I'm not saying if its blocked!! >> d/b+4( On grounded opponents): This move's too good as a oki. Unfortunately, you don't get too many chances to throw this out. It may be used after qcb+1+2, JH, 2+4 backthrow, 1+3 airthrow, 1~2_2~1 mount followups, CH d,d/f+4 etc. It is also used after the juggles that thrust opponent into walls from far & you have to rush in. You get close & burst this out after the wall splat for some substantial damage. Also, if you get to end some juggles with this move, you still get some chances for wakeup games. >> b+1 : This is only move that comes to mind when you want to play safe. It is guaranteed after certain moves to become a combo, but since its slow it can be siderolled or blocked after getting up quickly. It is more used as a baiting for reversals than an oki. >> FC,d/f+4 : It has got loooooooooong range, very long range than any other move Craig has, it catches opponent in so insane situations where others would have possibly whiffed. Also used after u entered into stance after a tackle was broken. They are still there lying still, expecting a tackle & you surprised them with it. Not easilly siderolled. Plus if you've thrown the opponent into the wall after any juggle that they are too far for any move to reach, it comes handy there. >> d/f+3,1,2,VTSc: Yes, you're seeing it right. The reason i've haven't mentioned d/f+3,d+1 is that d/f+3,d+1 is unsafe if whiffed whereas it isn't. If they guessed wrong, they eat it for some good damage. Also since you're doing 3+4~3+4 after this, chances are you will float them to some juggle if they getup stupidly & if they predicted it & didn't getup, you'll still be safe bcoz of 3+4~3+4 part. You don't have this advantage with d/f+3,d+1. One of the time to use it: You blocked Marshall's FC,d/f,d,d/f+3, do u+3+4 (I'm saying u+3+4). He's there right in front of you from where you can go for d/f+3.. if he committs mistake & gets up stupidly. >> d/f+3,d+1: Having said that, it doesn't mean that this move hasn't got its chances. d/f+3,d+1 is useful in those situations where they are in a position to backroll. If they didn't do that & getup wrong they'll be eating some nice 60+ damage. Some situations to use it: I've mentioned d/f+3,d+1 with $ f,f+1+2, u/f+3+4, $ CH d,d/f+4, dash $ WS+2, dash $ 1+3 airthrow, $ More of it has been covered in Pokes & mixups section. In case you don't know the juggle from behind: d/f+3,d+1, 2, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, d/b+4. d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSC, 1,2,VTSc, 1, b+1. Thats the ones i use, if you know something else better than that, mail me & i'll put them here. >> u/f+3+4: If you just throw it out on a grounded opponent, 99% of the time they'll sideroll & avoid it. Maybe they can throw wakeup kicks too. It's used mostly after any juggle ending with d/f+3,d+1. Just dash a bit and u/f+3+4. If they getup wrong way they're gonna eat it & as it affects crouchers, you get some follow-ups too. It also worked for tech traps in 5.0 but no more in 5.1. As said with b+1, this move too is not used with the sense of hitting them but to make them block it & getting some guessing games from there. >> d+1: Same purpose as u/f+3+4 & b+1. Make them block it to retain pressure. Besides these stuff there are some other things too: Ground throws, d/b+3 catch sideroll. b+4 stops any spring forward attempt. Also you can avoid it by d/b+3+4, SS stuff. It easily evades it. If the opponent is in FCD position & tries to roll towards you, you can try d/f+3,d+1 which will hit as CH & they'll be launched. SS+2, b+2 are just used against backrolls. Very rare. Only if you're feeling dry. These are just the basic stuff, i'll add more stuff as things come to mind. ======================================================================= TECH TRAPS: ======================================================================= Basically, Craig players do not rely on tech traps much as he had many of them in 5.0 but most of them do not seem to work in 5.1. Also, with the ones he has you yourself have to guess which side opponent is going to quickroll as Craig doesn't have any moves that catch a tech to both sides except u/f+3+4( Only in short juggles & in 5.0 ). For the sake of completeness they are being mentioned here as it is a 5.0 FAQ.hehehe.... First of all u/f+3+4 stuff. ( Taken from Valestyle_G Craig thread from Arcadepimp. Big thanks..) (launch) 2, 2d+1+2 (opp doesnt move) uf3+4. 50dmg+21dmg "71dmg" (launch) 2, 2d+1+2 (opp rolls side) uf3+4, df3 1d+2, 50dmg+59dmg "109dmg" (launch) 2, 2d+1+2 (opp rolls back) dash forward, df3 1, 1 2 vtsc* 1, f+2+4 50dmg+44dmg "94dmg" Pretty damaging, huh. Yes it is. But bad news it doesn't work in further tekkens. CRY........ More stuff: f+3+4_ 3+4~3 catches tech to Marduk's left. d/b+1+2 catches tech to Marduk's right. You can put try any of the above after any juggle ending with f,f+2_f+1+2 _1,2, etc. you can always replace f,f+1+2 airthrow in any juggle with f,f+2 & f+2+4 with f+1+2. Since room is needed for these stuff to work, so they won't work with short juggles. For the 3+4~3 & d/b+1+2 you need to do a dash forward ( f,f ) to make them work. I'll list some of the combos where these tech traps may work. For the f,f+1+2 combos which you can replace with f,f+2 just reduce the damage by -15. I haven't checked the damage for f+1+2, will be put here soon. I'll mention the damages for some of the combos. The list will be like this: Any juggle Opponent teching to Opponent teching to Marduk's left. Marduk's right. ( f+3+4 or f,f,3+4~3 ) ( f,f,d/b+1+2) f,f+1 = 4, f,f,N+1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f+1+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = d/f+3,d+1, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 d/f+1 = 1,2,VTSc, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = 2, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = 2_1, d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = 2, d/f+3,1, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = 2, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = 1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f+1+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 CH d/f+3,d+1 = d/f+3,1,2,VTSc, 1,2,VTsc, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = d/f+3,1,2,VTsc, 1, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = d/f+3,d+1, 1,2,VTSc, 1, f+1+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 = d/f+3,d+1, f,f+2 f+3+4_ f,f,d/b+1+2 By now, i'm sure you'd have got the idea behind this. You can always replace f+3+4 with f,f,3+4~3. However, i'm not sure wether the 2nd one is safe on whiff or not,i.e., you might eat wakeup kicks if they do not do any movement. All these tech traps can be escaped by backroll & can be avoided by sideroll. OTHERS: ( Taken from Marduk tech trap thread from TZ forums.) f,f+2 = If they tech to Marduk's left--- f+3+4 = If they tech to Marduk's right---f,f,d/b+1+2 = If they back roll ---------------f,F+3+4 WS+4 = If they tech to Marduk's left---f,f+1 = If they tech to Marduk's right--F,d+2+4_1+3 = If they backroll----f,f,3+4~3 or f+3+4. ====================================================================== CLOSING: ====================================================================== That's all my faq's about. I hope you've liked it. I've put a lot of *hard* work into it. 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