• Llexii - November 10, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    So I have a pretty good grasp on the story however there is one detail that I can't quite get straight. When Elizabeth opens up tears into other universes Booker is himself in another universe where a different version of himself also exists. For example when they enter the world where he has died as a martyr for the Vox. So, that being said, why are there not other versions of Elizabeth in the different universes they travel to? Are they there and just aren't mentioned? Or is there a more in-depth explanation that I'm not getting?
  • shawksta - August 4, 2013 12:02 a.m.

    This wa so freaking helpful considering i just finished the game Everything is so much better Now the game has a nice ending i can consider :D
  • MartimusBert - April 16, 2013 3:35 a.m.

    Just a random note - In terms of the bathysphere, if it would work for relatives of Ryan (I'm not sure how the whole genetics thing would work with distant family), then Ryan could be a relative of Anna Dewitt. She were to have a normal life we could assume she would take the family name of whoever her husband was. And if Booker retains his memory it wouldn't be hard to believe that he would instil her with very secular views after the whole Columbia ordeal (Assuming he retains his memory). Just an idea, it relies on how the bathyspheres genetic lock works and whether Booker keeps his memory or not. Still, interesting to think about.
  • Divin3 - April 9, 2013 8:25 p.m.

    I just read all 6 pages hope this conversation is going strong! So I beat it on hard tonight and had to sign up to the site to propose this one nagging idea (hi all). Could Columbia and Rapture be even more closely connected then we know of yet? When I got into that bathysphere and beheld rapture again a quote hit me like a ton of bricks, " No Gods, No Kings, Only man". Now we had both a god and king in Columbia so could rapture somehow have been a kind of reaction to one of the Columbia universes? And a far fetched theory is could Rapture be a modified Columbia fallen from the sky? I know there is very little signs of that but perhaps the buildings could have been redone while in the water, instead of constructing an underwater city from Scratch. Thoughts?
  • ranchsunflowerseeds - April 9, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    Wouldn't downing himself BEFORE the baptism destroy the possibility of becoming Comstock AND the possibility of having Anna? Cause he has Anna after the baptism, so that means he never becomes Comstock, and Anna never exists? Which is why the post credits scene doesn't make sense to me. Is there something I'm missing?
  • mads-havndrup - June 15, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    Elizabeth is Hookers daughter. Remember when the portal closed at that wall? the baby lost her littlefinger. Elizabeth`s Little finger is gone.
  • Rawhide88 - April 7, 2013 11:29 p.m.

    ***PLEASE HELPP!!! *** I think I understand the majority of the game however the one oint that doesnt make sense os that surely The battle of Wounded Knee was the mian constant rather then the baptism.. If you kill booker before he took the baptism i know that prevents him from both becoming comstock or producing Anna howvere he still exsists prior to that having fought at wounded knee.. The whole reason he went to the baptism was becuase of this.. Surley if you dont stop becoming from fighting at this battle he may well go and either receive or deny the baptism becuase of what he did.. CONFUUSSEEEEED!!!!!
  • pumap90 - April 7, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    How do you view the full article? All I see if a brief summary of what it is going to talk about.. This is the same for all other articles I try to view too. Thanks
  • 6Thrash6or6die - April 7, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    click on the right arrow of the image or the link that says next to go to the next slide.
  • Sjoeki - April 7, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    After going through the whole game, am I the only one getting a really strong Fringe vibe from the experience? It's not a bad thing as I really like that show, they just have some things in common. The only thing that's not really explained for me is a very small thing but how could Elizabeth open up a tear that showed paris? It happened when she was still locked up and you were on your way up the monument to free her. In the rest of the game she can only open tears of things that are in the same place but in different dimentions if I'm making any kind of sense here.
  • Gekidami - April 6, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    So in the 1980's when Elizabeth leads the attack on New York for filling Comstock's prophecy (or at least what he had seen through a tear)... Why does she bring Booker to the future to stop her in the past? I really dont get it, does she have a sudden change of heart, like she's watching New York get bombed and thinks "Oh wait, this was a terrible idea, if only Booker showed up to save me years ago". You'd think that 'Elizabeth The Prophet of Columbia' would be sort of evil/agree with Comstocks views after being forcefully brought round. Wasnt that the whole point of locking her up in the asylum; to break her and make her obey Comstock? If she was still dead against him... Why the hell did she for fill the destruction of New York?
  • BladedFalcon - April 6, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    You didn't find the Voxophones scattered around in that level, did you? In them she explains that even though she WAS broken by Comstock, she eventually starts to realize how wrong it is what she's doing. (Possibly because whatever form of mind-control used on her started to wear down slowly by the years.) But by that point the invasion was probably well underway and there was no way for her to stop it, unless she brought a booker from the past so she could give him the info necessary to control songbird, and prevent that future from ever happening. Remember that Elizabeth has always been a good person at heart, she only bent to Comstock's will in that time-line due to years of torture and processes that would make her more malleable, but that eventually would wear off, even if slowly. (And presumably by the point Elizabeth is old enough to mount the attack, Comstock has been dead for decades already, so there wasn't anyone as keen on making sure she was kept under control like he would have been.)
  • Gekidami - April 6, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    Sort of dumb though, isnt it. I mean, she is the leader of Columbia, she's been built up as pretty much the Messiah over the years by Comstock to the people so we can assume they obey her, and the prophecy is that she's the one who will destroy New York, its not like its the Vox who took control (i doubt they'd care of that). She more than likely has full control, yet its only when New York is being burnt to the ground that she decided to summon Booker and tell him how to stop all of this. That she only had a change of heart as the attack was under way (because if she did before, she could have most likely stopped it) is a bit of a stretch, is what i'm saying.
  • BladedFalcon - April 6, 2013 6:45 p.m.

    ...You're assuming that she willingly became the leader of Columbia in the first place, which is a big mistake, she never wanted to become that, Comstock basically forced her using torture, mind control techniques and brain-washing to become what HE wanted. And the prophecy? you DO realize that the "Prophecies" are nothing more than tears Comstock used to see into the future, right? And remember, this story operates under the rule that there are thousands of universes and countless of possibilities, it's possible that in many other universes, Elizabeth never broke free from the mind control and the destruction of new York and the world below continued in full force. But is it that much of a stretch to assume that in at least ONE universe, she regained most of his old mind and feeling to realize that what she was doing was wrong?
  • Ruskeeksur - April 5, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    If Booker failed 122 times, doesn't that mean that new 122 worlds were created where he didn't fail?
  • bamit11 - April 5, 2013 12:11 a.m.

    I realized that the beginning of the game makes no sense. Preacher Witting is the man who baptized DeWitt and turned him into Comstock. Then, he becomes the man who baptizes people to get into Columbia. Since baptizing DeWitt was obviously a very important event in his life, wouldn't he recognize Booker when he came to Columbia? I don't think the years could have made him look that much different. Because if this happened, then Booker would learn he's Comstock and the game would basically be over.
  • CyrusDragonZero - April 5, 2013 4:32 a.m.

    I think that Preacher Witting is blind... His eyes looked kind of off to me. At leas that would be the easiest answer.
  • BladedFalcon - April 5, 2013 6:34 a.m.

    That, or well- Let's remember that it still was like 20 years that passed between Comstock's baptism, and then Booker coming along into Columbia. And for the Preacher, Comstock at the time of baptism was just another "client" (for lack of a better term.) for him. Add to that the fact that after columbia was made and he joined, he probably baptised hundreds, if not thousands of people. I think it's really not that difficult for him to not recognize Booker once he comes finally along.
  • GR HollanderCooper - April 5, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Look at his eyes--they're glazed over. He's blind. We added a slide explaining it.
  • DLow - April 4, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    So, since Rosalind and Robert have the ability to travel through time and space. couldn't they have just gone back stopped Rosalind from ever helping Comstock? This would prevent him from being seen as a prophet and would remove the creation of Columbia all together. But would doing this destroy them, or do they now live outside of time and space? However this wouldn't have created such an awesome game.. And since Booker killed Comstock, does that remove them, or do they still exist in there own "Branch" without ever have created the machine used to exploit tears?

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